Fruit?

[jimmycool]

Where does fruit fall under in macros? Am I right in thinking that the sugars in most fruits make them simple carbs? And if so does that mean the best time to eat it is after training for the blood sugar levels, or does it not matter where u fit fruit in ur diet?

[joshh]

yes the sugars in fruits are simple, you treat fruit the same as any source of simple carbs, fit them into where they fit for you and your goals

[gbrice75]

Fruits fall under simple carbohydrates. Where they fit into a diet depends on the goal of said diet. When I'm cutting, I personally keep fruit intake very low - like 1/2 a banana/day if anything. Reason being I aim to keep my sugar intake very low.

On an add mass type diet, I use fruit pre and pwo. First meal of the day is also a good fit. Note that my fruits are always accompanied by a protein and complex carb, so the GI value of the fruit is of little significance.

[jimmycool]

Ok cheers guys

[BBrian]

yes the sugars in fruits are simple, you treat fruit the same as any source of simple carbs, fit them into where they fit for you and your goals

Not quite. So many people regard the sugar in fruits in the same class as table sugar, but that couldn't be any further from the truth.

When people learn that the energy of fruit comes from sugars, they may think that eating fruit is the same as eating concentrated sweets such as candy or cola beverages. No so. Fruits differ from concentrated sweets in nutrient density. The sugars of fruits arrive in the body diluted in large volumes of water, packaged in fiber, and mixed with many vitamins and needed minerals. In contrast, all types of refined sugars, even honey, arrive in the body in concentrated form, practically devoid of nutrients. From the body's point of view, fruits are vastly different from purified sugars, except that both provide glucose in abundance.

[jypoll]

wether they are eaten with fibre and vitamins doesnt really make a difference, they do have a better gly***ic index, higher or lower i cant remember which is which, so technically fructose is slightly more "complex" than glucose, but it is still a monomerized source of sugar.

and it isnt that far from coca cola which contains sucrose (50% glucose 50% fructose, by mol probably slightly more glucose by weight but not significantly)

you say "devoid of nutrients" but sugar regardless of which kind is a nutrient

[BBrian]

When I say that sugar is PRACTICALLY devoid of nutrients, it's obvious that sugar itself is not being disregarded as a nutrient, that being a type of ose (ose means sugar). What I mean is that refined sugar is devoid of accompanying nutrients. The whole point is that a lot of people are under the impression that fruit is bad for them, especially given the current state of carbohydrate perception the populous has erroneously adopted. I'm not too sure that you understood what I stated, especially when you say that fruit isn't that far from coca cola. Yeesh. Candy bars and soda drinks are a source of sugar accompanied with loads of ingredients that are detrimental to physical health. Fruits are not.

[Armykid93]

Fruits fall under simple carbohydrates. Where they fit into a diet depends on the goal of said diet. When I'm cutting, I personally keep fruit intake very low - like 1/2 a banana/day if anything. Reason being I aim to keep my sugar intake very low.

On an add mass type diet, I use fruit pre and pwo. First meal of the day is also a good fit. Note that my fruits are always accompanied by a protein and complex carb, so the GI value of the fruit is of little significance.

Makes sense. Never thought fruits were simple carbs.

[FireGuy]

Fruits have fructose, fructose = increased bodyfat. Please dont make me post another study.

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Fruits fall under simple carbohydrates. Where they fit into a diet depends on the goal of said diet. When I'm cutting, I personally keep fruit intake very low - like 1/2 a banana/day if anything. Reason being I aim to keep my sugar intake very low.

On an add mass type diet, I use fruit pre and pwo. First meal of the day is also a good fit. Note that my fruits are always accompanied by a protein and complex carb, so the GI value of the fruit is of little significance.

interesting.. would u mind elaborating?

[FireGuy]

Far from me to speak for GBrice but a foods Gly***ic Index changes when you eat it with other foods. The meal itself takes on a gly***ic index of it's own. Brown rice has a lower GI than white rice largely due to the fiber content. Eat fibre with your white rice and you lower the GI of the rice.

[gbrice75]

^^ this. GI value assumes you're eating the food in question by itself. Personally, I'll never just pick up a piece of fruit and eat it - it's always part of a meal, therefore it's GI value is altered by the accompanying food. Do some research on GL (gly***ic load). We should be more concerned with GL than GI tbh.

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cool i learned something glad i askd...

[BBrian]

^^ this. GI value assumes you're eating the food in question by itself. Personally, I'll never just pick up a piece of fruit and eat it - it's always part of a meal, therefore it's GI value is altered by the accompanying food. Do some research on GL (gly***ic load). We should be more concerned with GL than GI tbh.

You're awesome gb.

[Armykid93]

^^ this. GI value assumes you're eating the food in question by itself. Personally, I'll never just pick up a piece of fruit and eat it - it's always part of a meal, therefore it's GI value is altered by the accompanying food. Do some research on GL (gly***ic load). We should be more concerned with GL than GI tbh.

Damn man. Never thought about that or thought it was possible haha

[Warrior1700]

Fructose from fruits come from the earth, anything form the earth is better for you than refined anything. Like Bbrian stated, it's mixed in with fiber and other nutrients within the food so that it's not absorbed as quickly as refined sugar or high fructose corn syrup.


Not trying to hijack this thread but since sugar (s) are the topic and rather then starting a new thread (or should I start a new thread?)

Can I ask what you all look for in our supplements? Is sucralose ok? How bout stevia that we all see and talk about? (in SoBe water I drink)

Most supplements have some sort of sweetener in them, what is safe or better for us then others? How does a body builder get the supps , xtra protein (weight gainers), pre work out, post work out , drinks without all the "added" sugars?

Not sure if any of you have seen this on 60 mins...Wow. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7403942n

I already have been keepingg some "added" sugar out of my diet but noe even More so, I read every label for this.

[Back In Black]

Specific to your point on supped/weight gainers, most of us would never use a weight gainer due to all the added sugars and junk that go in there.

If I need to drink a awake ever as a meal repla***ent I add powdered oats to my whey/casein. A quality protein powder should have very little in the way of carbs to worry about it.

[Warrior1700]

Specific to your point on supped/weight gainers, most of us would never use a weight gainer due to all the added sugars and junk that go in there.

If I need to drink a awake ever as a meal repla***ent I add powdered oats to my whey/casein. A quality protein powder should have very little in the way of carbs to worry about it.

Fooey..I really need to be on this forum more...Guys at the nutrition place just sellin product. Arrghhh. Been using this gainer by the tubs...Lol, kinda

So the gainer I use has 100g carbs, 10g sugar. But listed in the ingredients is the Proprietary carob matrix.. Maltodextrin (corn), ogliosaccharides (soy bean), Fructose, natural and artificial flavors, sucralose, contains milk and wheat.....

So pretty much junk then ey?

Can we eat too much oatmeal? I have a cup in the morn, then if I use in shakes? What about Waxy Maize for our carbs in the shakes?

[Back In Black]

Yeah, stop using it as soon as its done or sooner if you don't mind chucking it. Oh, and never trust a 'proprietary' blend in anything, you have no idea how much of anything is in there.

I eat 200g oats minimum every day. That's about a half pound.

[Warrior1700]

Yeah, stop using it as soon as its done or sooner if you don't mind chucking it. Oh, and never trust a 'proprietary' blend in anything, you have no idea how much of anything is in there.

I eat 200g oats minimum every day. That's about a half pound.

I just got the 10 lb jug last week...Uggggg. I don't mind chucking it if you think it's more detrimental to me then healthy. No biggie.

Ok, I'll start using more oatmeal then.

What about Waxy Maize for carbs?

[gbrice75]

^^ I wouldn't throw my money away... i'd use it up and move on. You have a lifetime ahead of you. Finishing off a tub of that crap won't kill you (hopefully not! lol)

[gearbox]

I agree..use the tub you got now and keep educating yourself for better nutrition in future.

[binsser]

that link is good but we sort of all already knew that suger is bad but i still believe that a very little amount is needed as we were having tons of it when we were kids lolol

[Warrior1700]

that link is good but we sort of all already knew that suger is bad but i still believe that a very little amount is needed as we were having tons of it when we were kids lolol

Agreed...ref the link and we knew that sugar is bad, but I don't think any added sugar is any good...we get enuf from whatever natural foods we eat.

[Warrior1700]

^^ I wouldn't throw my money away... i'd use it up and move on. You have a lifetime ahead of you. Finishing off a tub of that crap won't kill you (hopefully not! lol)

After all the jugs prior..I'm still here; Lol. Yea , good point, not gonna flush the $, not that route anyway. Hehe

[Warrior1700]

I agree..use the tub you got now and keep educating yourself for better nutrition in future.

Thanks man, that's why I'm here, seems as though I'm really trying to tweek my diet a lil more for better results for the hard work I out in at the gym..and really, that's the easy part. 1-1 1/2 hours compared to the rest trying to figure out what and when to eat. Lol.

[gbrice75]

that link is good but we sort of all already knew that suger is bad but i still believe that a very little amount is needed as we were having tons of it when we were kids lolol

I totally don't get that rationale... at all! We need a little amount of sugar because we were having tons as kids? I can assure you 100% without a doubt that we do not NEED any sugar whatsoever, zero, EVER! All of our carb sources are broken down into glucose and that's all the sugar we need... just what our bodies process naturally.

[Warrior1700]

Not to get more off trac, but i asked this in a couple other threads with no response thus far, and since we are on the sugar/carb/supp topic...Does Waxy Maize fit into our diet...I use it with my whey/casein sometimes instead of oatmeal?

And if we have to have a sweetener, is sucralose ok, since it is in most of the products, even the ON Casein.