Steroids and hairloss, question I can't seem to find The answer to

[jimmycool]

Iv looked on this site nd all overhe Internet, the answer is probably out there Somewhere bu I can't find it, I was just wondering if anyone knows or has had first hand experience with how much steroids can affect your hair loss, for instance both of my grandads who are about 80 odd have receeding hairlines but obviously they have lost all the hair thy are going to lose in life, yet both hav quite a decent head of hair, just with noticeable receders, I have already started to receed but my question is if I was only ever going to lose the same amount of hair as my grandfathers would steroids only speed this process up or could thy actually lead to me losing more hair or even a full head of hair as opposed to a small amount I might lose naturally? This might seem a silly question to some but it has played on my mind for a while and would impact on my decision to use aas if I had more of an insight on this, thanks

[OnTheSauce]

It just speeds it up

[redz]

I've had virtually no problems, some people are prone to hairloss and it just happens sooner.

[kelkel]

Exactly what the above guys said. Test converts to DHT everywhere in the body except muscle via an enzyme called 5-Alpha Reductase. Muscle has virtually no 5-AR. Your scalp has a high concentration of this enzyme so if your prone and add test it can speed it up. Like you did, examine your family history as it's probably your best indicator of your future.

[stpete]

Yep, varies from person to person.

[AD]

if you're genetically prone to it, roids will make it worse. if you're not, then nothing will happen

[minitourwvu]

There is ways to prevent it with non dht derived aas....propecia, nizoral,etc

[warren916]

Its a side effect, if you cant handle it then done do it...simple as that.

[Steroidman99]

Iv looked on this site nd all overhe Internet, the answer is probably out there Somewhere bu I can't find it, I was just wondering if anyone knows or has had first hand experience with how much steroids can affect your hair loss, for instance both of my grandads who are about 80 odd have receeding hairlines but obviously they have lost all the hair thy are going to lose in life, yet both hav quite a decent head of hair, just with noticeable receders, I have already started to receed but my question is if I was only ever going to lose the same amount of hair as my grandfathers would steroids only speed this process up or could thy actually lead to me losing more hair or even a full head of hair as opposed to a small amount I might lose naturally? This might seem a silly question to some but it has played on my mind for a while and would impact on my decision to use aas if I had more of an insight on this, thanks

Deca and Anavar are practically the only steroids that won't make your problems worse. So, you can use steroids, but you must limit your choice.

[kolaking]

Actually, if I'm not mistaken you need to look to your mothers side of the family for potential hair loss.

[FCVtec]

I have sped up my hair loss quiet a bit... I will be bald in aprox 5 years and I dont care. Does not happen in 1 cycle thou, will take a few for you to start noticing(at least it did for me).

[Times Roman]

I'm not prone to hairloss, and haven't lost any hair.

[Times Roman]

Actually, if I'm not mistaken you need to look to your mothers side of the family for potential hair loss.

that's a myth. my father has all his hair (mostly) and so do i. my grandpa on my mom's side was completely bald as a young man.

[siestaplum]

Deca and Anavar are practically the only steroids that won't make your problems worse. So, you can use steroids, but you must limit your choice.

... How can that be true if Anavar is a DHT derivative?!

[Atomini]

that's a myth. my father has all his hair (mostly) and so do i. my grandpa on my mom's side was completely bald as a young man.

Very true.

This whole thing about the genes coming from your 'mom's side' is a bunch of bullcrap parroted around. If you take basic biology and remember back to highschool bio class, you'd know that the way chromosome replication works in sexual reproduction isn't selective in the sense that you get genes from your mom for specific parts of your body, and genes from your dad for other parts. E.g. when people say "you have your mom's eyes" and "you have your dad's nose", blah blah bullshit. The truth is, you have BOTH your parents eyes, nose, etc.

Genetic inheritance for EVERY single bit part of your body is a BLEND of genes, not a split. And the same goes for your genetics regarding male pattern baldness. Now, there is a chance that you might not inherit the MPB gene at all. There are certain genes that we don't inherit from either of our parents. Some genes your dad has do not get passed down to you, and as is the same with your mother..

[RoadToHuge]

I would love to get an answer on anavar. I know some steroids are worse than others in the respect. My next cycle I will be using finasteride as well as rogaine (I use the rogaine all the time now), and I would love to throw some anavar into my test-e cycle. I have used dbol in the past but that shit is deadly to my hairline.

[rasc170]

I have sped up my hair loss quiet a bit... I will be bald in aprox 5 years and I dont care. Does not happen in 1 cycle thou, will take a few for you to start noticing(at least it did for me).

did you use any dht blockers ?

[Atomini]

I would love to get an answer on anavar. I know some steroids are worse than others in the respect. My next cycle I will be using finasteride as well as rogaine (I use the rogaine all the time now), and I would love to throw some anavar into my test-e cycle. I have used dbol in the past but that shit is deadly to my hairline.

Anavar having less ability to cause male pattern baldness is somewhat true. Another board member mentioned earlier here that anavar is a DHT derivative and as such was confused as to how, with it being a DHT, would be less androgenic and therefore have less of a chance of aggrivating MPB. I used to believe that as well, until I saw some research and reasoning behind it myself. I'd just like to note that the androgenic rating of anavar is 24, while the androgenic rating of testosterone is 100 (testosterone being the baseline reference for all ratings). But you have to understand what's going on here, and i'm going to quote William Llewelyn's Anabolics:

5-Alpha Irreducible Steroids

When we look at the other mild anabolic steroids such as Primobolan, Winstrol, and Anavar, none of which are derived from nandrolone, we see another interesting commonality. These steroids are DHT derivatives that are unaffected by 5-alpha reductase, and therefore become neither weaker nor stronger in androgen responsive target tissues with high concentrations of this enzyme. In essence, they have a very balanced effect between muscle and androgen tissues, making them outwardly less androgenic than testosterone. This is why these steroids are technically classified as anabolics, and are undeniably less troublesome than many other steroids in terms of promoting androgenic side effects. However, if we wanted to look for the absolute least androgenic steroid, the title would still go to nandrolone (or perhaps one of its derivatives). Female bodybuilders should likewise take note that despite the recommendations of others, steroids like Anavar, Winstrol and Primo are not the least risky steroids to use. This is of great importance, as male sex hormones can produce many undesirable and permanent side effects when incorrectly taken by females.

What is basically being said here is that though Anavar is a DHT derivative, the nature of the compound is that it exhibits less androgenicity than DHT itself (much like, for example, how there were certain anabolics created back in the 60s that never saw the light of day because they had ZERO anabolic properties whatsoever even though they were derivatives of testosterone). Just because X is a derivative of Y, does not mean X inherits every single aspect of Y. In this case, the heavy androgenic effects that come from testosterone are a result of its conversion into DHT by 5-alpha reductase enzyme. Because Anavar is already a DHT, it cannot be converted into DHT. Furthermore, its properties grant it a lower androgenic effect than DHT itself.

But be warned that by taking 5-alpha reductase inhibitors while using something like testosterone, you will be preventing testosterone from converting into DHT at all, thereby preventing the heavy androgenic effects on hair. If you were to use a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor while taking Anavar, it would do squat all to prevent anything. The anavar would still end up activating receptors at your scalp...

With that being said, if you ARE concerned about hair loss and you want to protect yourself no matter what anabolic you are using, go out and buy NIZORAL shampoo and use it on a regular basis. Nizoral blocks DHT from binding to receptors in your scalp, much like how nolvadex blocks estrogen from binding to receptor sites on breast tissue.

Hope this answers your question.

[RoadToHuge]

Thank you and repped!

[RoadToHuge]

Just to clarify, its Nizoral A-D? I see it online as an anti-dandruff shampoo...

[Atomini]

Yes, Nizoral is an anti-dandruff shampoo. I don't know about the states, but here in Canada we can get Nizoral 2% over the counter. I've heard in many states, the 2% strength is perscription only. But i've also heard that if that is the case, you can easily order online...

Nizoral is used as an anti-dandruff shampoo (which is what I originally started using it for, like 10 years before I ever touched AAS), an anti-fungal, and it is also used to halt and/or slow down androgenic alopecia. If you want, I can link you to some of the studies performed on it (you can easily google them as well).

Active ingredient is Ketocozanole. As long as you see that as the active ingredient, you're all set.

[RoadToHuge]

Thanks again, great info!

[leather daddy]

guys if im worried about hairloss even tho it might not happen do i just use Nizoral 2% ???? can get it easily over here in a chemist. what exactly does it do? and how often do u use it? and is it guarenteed to work on a prop/tren cycle? 300mg a week.

[Flacco]

Yeah ^^^ All of the above. I started juicing at 18. At 21, my friends pointed out that I was starting to go bald. Now, at 27, Its very apparent that I'll have hair on the sides of my head, but not on top in a few years. George Burns style. I don't give a sh1t though. I'd go bald eventually, AAS just sped up the process. My brother tells me he was going bald at my age too. He has been using Finesteride for 10+ years and he has full head of hair. I might get on that too.

[Atomini]

guys if im worried about hairloss even tho it might not happen do i just use Nizoral 2% ???? can get it easily over here in a chemist. what exactly does it do? and how often do u use it? and is it guarenteed to work on a prop/tren cycle? 300mg a week.

Nizoral contains the active ingredient Ketocozanole. When applied topically, it acts as a DHT receptor agonist at receptor sites in the scalp (or wherever you rub it on), effectively blocking the ability for DHT to bind to those receptors and activate the gene for hair loss. I'll quote a paragraph an article I found here, which provides a reference:

"Support for this comes from a study in 1998 that compared ketoconazole 2% to the proven hair loss drug minoxidil 2% in men with androgenic alopecia.[13] In a sample of 27 men, "Hair density and size and proportion of anagen follicles were improved almost similarly by both ketoconazole and minoxidil regimens." The men washed with ketoconazole 2% shampoo once every 2–4 days, leaving the shampoo on the scalp for 3–5 minutes before rinsing (as with the treatment of dandruff and seborrheic dermatitis).[13]"

Reference: http://www.hairlosstalk.com/hair-los...oral-study.pdf (link to the actual study that was done)

I cannot GUARANTEE anything, but there are overwhelming reports from both official medical scientific as well as personal anecdotal reports of it being very succesfull to combat androgen-related hair loss. I would definitely pick some up if I were you and use it. Rub it in your hair as your regular shampoo when you shower, let it soak in while you wash the rest of your body. It's a good preventative measure.

The interesting thing about ketocozanole is that when administered ORALLY instead of topically, ketoconazole blocks both testicular and adrenal androgen biosynthesis, leading to a reduction in circulating testosterone levels. Ketoconazole produces this effect through inhibition of cytochrome P450 and 17,20-lyase, which are involved in the synthesis and degradation of steroids, including the precursors of testosterone. Due to its efficacy at reducing systemic androgen levels, ketoconazole has been used as a treatment for androgen-dependent prostate cancer. I guess it is safe to say that it's better to use it topically than orally, because after all, we don't want to kill our natural testosterone levels. We want to recover properly post-cycle, not kill our T levels even further! lol. Now, the next question I know you might have is "but does ketocozanole still do that when applied topically?". The answer is probably yes, but the effect is extremely miniscule when absorbed dermally through the skin that it's best to basically consider that it doesn't even work that way. As I already mentioned, ketocozanole works very differently when applied topically.

Now just to reiterate, topically, ketoconazole is an androgen receptor antagonist, competing with androgens such as testosterone and DHT for androgen receptor binding. And i've mentioned before the best comparison is to nolvadex vs estrogen, as nolvadex is an estrogen receptor agonist. The awesome thing about keotcozanole is that it works wherever it is applied topically. I've seen personal reports from people who while on a cycle had had bad acne on parts of their body because they are just very sensitive and prone to acne development, and when they rubbed Nizoral on said area of the body, the acne cleared up over a week or two and didn't return on their cycles as long as they applied Nizoral topically on a regular basis.

Pretty cool eh?