My !st Test E cycle .Plwase read and give advice

[crunkee]

Hi Everyone! Ive been reading these forums for awhile and decided to join. I am 37 years old(fck i dont feel that old) and i have been bodybuilding for a year and a half. I was pretty scared of anything injectable and went with 2(weak) cycles of var. I think i got decent results for what it was and got a haredening effect from it i believe. It was hard on my liver though, Well after i ordered a 3rd(sigh) does of var i said screw it and ordered some test e. All i can say is there is a lot of information out there. conflicting half the time. Some of my biggest issues was how to pin it..where to pin it..what size needle to use .. what pct i needed ..gear for sides during. Here is my stats and my cycle

37 years old 5'10" 178lbs(up 6 lbs in last 2 weeks..been eating pretty clean..and eating alot)
I have been taking whey nitric oxide. creatine . just the basic stuff and the var for the last month

Cycle goes like this
10 week cycle
Wed evening 250 mg Test e
Sun morning 250 mg Test e

Exemestane for sides as needed
Clomid for Pct 2 weeks after last pin

My goal of course is to pack on the weight. Get bigger ..lift more.
Im trying to avoid gyno. bloating and emotional roller coasters

I did my 1st pin last night 23g 1inch needle in my right leg. I found some great videos on how to do it and watched it 10 times b4 i did it, thought the needle would freak me out but it went in like butter. was glad to see no blood when i aspirated. I think i may heat it up a lil next time.

I cant lie though. 2 min later when i started getting pain in my leg i was like *gulp* i must of screwed up. As i type this my leg hurts like a mofo.. Glad i didnt do it in the glutes. Id be walking like i got worked over.

Also if any newbies need some 'starter advice' feel free to ask me and i will help if i can .. im not seasoned enough to get irritated with dumb questions yet

Also i will try to keep everyone informed how long this stuff takes to kick in(well when i feel it kick in)

Wow Fail on the heading lol

[crunkee]

Okay well its been 2 days since my first pin. down 2.5lbs thats depressing and my leg hurts like still.. i have a noticeable limp from it..and if i went to church i wouldnt be able to kneel down. i had a decent workout at the gym today biceps and abs pretty much. my wrists are kinda on the small side and hurt like hell after preacher curls.. any suggestions? also should i add some joint supps for my cycle. and number 2 do i really need fish oil or something for my heart

well here is my beginning pics i have been running some var 30mg ed for bout 3 weeks.. next pin sunday 19 pins to go!

[Konnann]

That's been my leg for the past 2 days. Makes it hard to do my job. Pinned my right cheek 5 days ago and the pain is finally gone.

I take a plethora of vitamins including fish and omega 3 oils (2/day each) and Gluosamine 2/day

[crunkee]

Well im excited..and not for my second pin in the morning (sunday). I dont know to shoot it in same leg or switch.. Lol. Next off i almost got busted . I hid my stash of pins in the garage and my gf was inches away from the box . I woulda had to fessed up at that point or she would think i was shootin up sigh.. Anyways my libido seems to be down the last day or so ..im sure it has nada to do with the test..cus it dont work that fast ..
If Test stays in your system for 2 weeks . doesnt it seem that it would kick in around the same time? i hear 4 to 6 to 8 weeks from people though.. I guess everyone is different. Also i think ill pin opposite leg up and out a lil bit . I let ya know how it goes

[crunkee]

Well I just did my second pin! This time i was dreading it. Which leg to choose ..same or diff. I went with other leg. I heated up my test in hot water this time. The pin didnt go in as smooth as the first time.. i could even feel it this time. The juice didnt go in so easy either. The first time it was like i was shooting in an open space ..this time i was shooting into my meat heh. No blood when aspirating thank god. The pain started up again ..not as bad this time. I almost seemed to welcome the pain throbbing in my leg. It seems weird but I dont mind it this time. 18 more pins. Not to concerned. No gym for me today. Ill use it as an off day .. Just refinished my back patio.. I wonder did bodybuilders coin the phrase "pain in the ass"

[crunkee]

Lol this shyt is crazy .. I dont mind the pain ..but i cant walk straight enough to make it up my stairs ..ffs .. i cant imagine sticking again on wed will be any diff// unless when this shyt kicks in ..it will reduce ur pain ..was sweating a lil n my heart feels like its racing... just a lil bit..lol im paronoid now.. hold on i think someone is outside my window.... jk

[Konnann]

My 3rd pin isn't as bad.....yet, we'll see what the day brings, and the pain from my 2nd one went away about 1 day quicker than the pain from the 1st.
I'm not getting the sweats or the heart racing, actually feeling pretty good. I am getting a couple more pimples than normal, I just hope I don't start breaking out everywhere

[Dinky]

Pin your shoulders, easy breezy! 22g w/ 1", 1CC
I'd rather feel like I got charlie horsed in the shoulder than limp. I'm on my feet most of the day, so I'll never pin my legs for that reason.

[crunkee]

Well Dinky seems like an okay idea cept i dont think id like my shoulders fckd up all day.. Maybe my legs will get used to this i dunno? Id like to hear from a vet that has done this for awhile and see if these symptoms lesson or if they stay about the same.. Like i said I dont mind the pain .. But i do mind not being able to walk properly// stairs are not my friend right now...maybe i could inject into my pinky finer..i dont need that ha ha

[JohnnyVegas]

A couple of simple things:

The pain can be from being virgin muscle, or from your gear. It usually gets better over time. Quads are the only place that gives me some soreness. You might want to try glutes or delts.

10 weeks seems short considering you are waiting four or five weeks for full kick in.

I recommend taking an AI throughout rather than waiting for sides. You can have elevated E2 and not know it.

Definitely read up on PCT. You need more than Clomid.

[crunkee]

Well as far as the gear goes im 90% sure its legit.. Unless u r at the lab making it ..I guess u cant be 100% but as far as i know its good gear from a great source. virgin muscles def.. and hell you are poking into ur muscles so ... 10 weeks the general consensus i have read from alot of forums for first time on a real cycle ..and i guess if you figure it stays in 2 weeks after its more of a 2 weeks of it not kicking in kicks in..in the end right? Well I hear Clomid, Nolva HCG etc. HCG i hear is not nec. but it is helpful. some people like clomid, some like nolva . I still can add if i need to .. I can get my PCT pretty quickly .. I dont see any need to overdue pct though.. i def dont want to underdue it and have issues but i dont think thasts the case. As far as starting my AI. The research Ive done has stated to 1: start the ai 2 weeks into your cycle..2:start the AI first sign of sides. I was thinking of waiting the 2 weeks then going eod because ive read the half life is more than 24 hrs long. I hear so many diff things on PCT . I was thinking of Glutes but its hard for me to see when i aspirate and i worry bout pinning wrong ..I rathe be able to walk then not sit though ha ha. I appreciate your comments JV.

[crunkee]

Update! Monday morning was the 1st day I was 100% pain free in 1st pin site. Although Sunday was not bad in 1st site. 27hrs later after 2nd pin that leg is at about 50%. Im thinking of soaking it in hot water. So I figure for now im looking at about 48 hrs recovery time. Wednesday will be tricky. Thursday is a much better day to shoot cus i dont work friday .meh better just stick to wed

[crunkee]

Well 2morrow is pin day after i get off work. Im gonna take advice of a few and pin up in my glute.. even if the pain was 50% less in my legs i still would probably miss work.. pretty challenging to walk at work today .. stairs is a bitch.

Went to the gym. Of course i was hoping to tear it up. Nah eveything is the same of course. only 2 shots in. I cant wait till the effects show up. Also have some personal probs at home right now .. getting me down and stressed. Ill be a basket case soon if i dont fix it and sides start up... Maybe start ai Sunday? im not sure .. early on ..but ive been checkin the tatas... all is good.. I think my chest is naturally a lil bigger than avg so im wondering if ill be prone to gyno

[crunkee]

3rd Pin. Just got back from the gym up 2 lbs rubbing my booty now did not like pinning right after shower. My gf was in next room, as i started shooting i remembered .sigh i forgot to aspirate .rookie mistake.. im a bit worried about that right now.. i did kinda pull back and so no blood .. but still im a lil freaked.. My leg from the 2nd pin is still sore believe it or not ..id say its about 80% but i still walk a little messed up.. crazy.. so far 10min later my booty is not hurting bad .. just a little pain. The good news for me is im up to 180 ..biggest i have ever been. only up 2lbs.. but that is good because my avg weight is 172... struggle to keep the 6lbs i have put on. Did a little better on some curls today.. Up on preachers and hammer curls. Not a bad day at the gym

New pics coming this weekend

[crunkee]

WHAT A DIFFERENCE . The glutes is way better for me.. This is about the small amount of pain i remembered from a shot.. Not the insane pain of pinning in my legs..Ill see in the morning for sure but..when pinning in my legs id be hurtin by now... thank the aas gods.

[crunkee]

Well my glutes right side is still a lil sore .. nothing like the leg pain. Glute more sore than when i went to bed..it did feel better if i massaged it a lil..just stiff tho. I think my mangina has grown since i started pinning lol .. But if the leg effects was a 7 to 8 .. the glute pain is 3-5. so thatll be my new choice. I sure wish this stuff would kick in.. I may start my AI this weekend, I feel a lil estrogenic . yes that is not a word. no gym today day off. Hopefully ill tear it up 2morrow. Tricep shoulder day

[FarmBoy2]

Will be following this closely. Your stats/situation seems almost identical to mine, so may live vicariously through you until I can get on a cyle myself

[crunkee]

Friday Update. Just got back from the gym. I love fri, sat, and sunday. All the slackers stay home so the gym is mostly dead. Geez i havent had any alcohol for 2 months now. Now prob quitting... just decided to give it a break for awhile while cycling. A cold beer does sound good ....but i dont need the bloat. Gym was a normal day ... down a half a lb. which sucked. Felt pretty pumped after workout. Its kinda funny i have 750 mg of test running in my body right now .You would think it would have to have some effect but i guess the oil is like a turtle huh. Oh ya i took half an a aromisin pill today.. I decided screw it . Im not letting sides hit me.. B tots is not a good look.
Ya Farmboy from the looks of it a cycle would make you look pretty sick.. good base

[crunkee]

Oh ya i forgot ..lets talk glute pain .. ya its there.. kinda hurts to chuck up a deuce. well sitting to do it anyways. I went to take a bath yesterday to soak my glutes and my gfs daughter said. "I thought only girls took baths" lolololol now thats funny...(thats what i thought too )

[crunkee]

Saturday ..back and abs at the gym. Nothing really special about it.. did move up 10lbs on an exercise for back.. but that o maybe could of done anyhow. yes glute is still sore 72 hrs later. next pin coming 2morrow and pics. I am really depressed right now and it has to do with real life situation stuff . i fear the walls may come crashing down next week. Fck ma lifeeeeee

[crunkee]

Sunday. Much better emotionaly today. Pin day. My right glute still hurts but the pain is subsiding. I guess maybe a day maybe 2 of it left. I am gonna try warming up the Test again. This will be pin #4 .I have a 3hr road trip today and im kinda worried bout glute after i pin it. I think ill start listing my emotional state on a daily basis

Emotional state today 7 (0 is total meltdown 10 is best day ever)

[StickyNicky]

Following. Keep em coming!

[crunkee]

Third time trying to post! grrr . 4th pin today. Its hard to pin my glutes by myself. I do it standing . Left glute today. I have to twist awkwardly. I use left hand to pin ..right to shoot. I need to check myself for trying to shoot to fast. This is oil not water. THE BAD PART.... I unpin with left hand swing it around and fck! I jab my middle finger on right hand. I pull it out ..it swells up and i ice it. I clean up ..lose a pin cap. then go to the gym. The gym was okay ..maxed out on bench 2.5 lbs each side more ..still progress. doubt its the juice. Weight 181. Prob will get pics tonight and post. progress is in the pics!
MY arse hurts right at 85% ////left is bad enough i couldnt put all my weight on it without pain.

[crunkee]

I dont believe in "virgin" muscles. I believe the juice heals you faster. But muscles dont get used to getting stabbed.. i could be wrong but....16 more pins to go .. Im hoping to start responding in the next 2 pins.. so far body produce what avg 70 per week test, I have 1000 in me flowing around right now .that seems like a lot to me .. Weird,

[crunkee]

While at work today i was thinking.. If test takes to weeks to kick out.. Why dont it kick in, in 2 weeks? I think i got it!
Right now i have pinned 4 times/ but it takes 2 weeks to kick in.. so my first shot will kick in wed(5th pin). making me around 250mg more than usual..by sat that number goes up to 500. then 750 and then by the 8th pin ill have 1000 "active mg of test in me" by the time pin one 250mg is out .. pin 5 is kicking in. 2 out 6 in .. etc etc. so even though 2 morrow is 2weeks. test isnt at full strength till pin #8 .So in my opinion (none of this i can prove as fact) U may feel some effect around pin 5 . if u dont feel any after pin 8 ..id say gear is BUNK or low quality/grade.. Does That Make Sense?? Heh I feel so smart now.. Sorry i didnt pic yesterday Ill try again with update like always tonight

[JohnnyVegas]

OK, a couple of new thoughts, sorry if you are already doing any of these and I missed it:

Try moving up to 25g for injecting. Always use a fresh pin, not the one you pulled with.

Inject slowly. The only serious discomfort I ever had was when I pushed the plunger hard because I was in a hurry.

Push the pin in slowly as well. That seem to cause less trauma for me.

You don't need to twist much when doing glutes if you do it in front of a mirror. That allows you to see what is going on in the mirror without twisting. I do it all with one hand while looking in the mirror. Easy after just a little practice.

You are using Test E which will take four or five weeks to get your blood levels up. Don't get discouraged, this is partially a mind game and it is easy to get psyched out and panic.

[crunkee]

THANX Vegas! I may have or may have not reported///but i always use a dif needle to pull with and a fresh one to inject. 25? so that would be a lil smaller. Ya i need to inject slowly . The whole mirror trick would probably fck me up. move left in the mirror.. right in r/l.. But i will try to inject slower . I appreciate the input! Sorry guys I missed the gy, today do to being in the sun wayyy to much at work.. I promise pics tomorrow. As far as Test in my body goes. I feel the same.
Emotional state 6.5

[Ngp86]

Keep up the good work on the posts mate, good to see ot from a real world perspective. Looking at.doing my first cycle with test e soon so keeping a close eye on your progress!

[crunkee]

Tuesday may 22 Two posts today, here is the first one. I got a weird taste in my mouth half the day? Im not sure what its from . Its not really bothering me to much.cept im really thirsty. Much cooler outside today. right glute from Wednesday is 100% gone. probably was last night so thats 5 days. not to bad. Now the one from Sunday is bad enough i cant sit down on it still 2 days . Im about to pop my AI(aromisin) 1/2 pill. Be at the Gym in about 2hrs. then report weigh in and pics/ yay.

[crunkee]

Wednesday. 23rd Sorry guys my net was down last night so i couldnt post. Gym day was avg. seems like my energy was down a lil ...... I did gain .5lbs which aint shyt.. or maybe it is actual shyt. Pin day today! Ill do it about 20 min b4 gym. Last pin still hurts me .So that sucks. Now that 2weeks have passed I expect to start seeing results very soon maybe in the next week. Heres the pics

[crunkee]

WED night . So heres how the pinning went. I half assed heated up the oil. Test came out a lil slow while pulling . hand a lil shaky while pinning. was starting slow the realized..i forgot to aspirate AGAIN. FFS. this time i didnt stop to check i just pushed it in. pulled out and a trickle of blood came out. FCKKKKK! i was a lil worried.. kinda still am. Cleaned up and went to the gym. Weird taste back in mouth. Gained 1lb yeah. Maxed out another 5lbs on bench. hmm seemed a tad fuller today..more bulky..probably in my mind. Sunday pin still hurt. New pin not to bad...yet.//15 pins left// they aint gettin easier.. next pin back to my legs.

emotional state 7 weight 182

[crunkee]

Thursday May 24th . Glute from sunday pin still hurts..Other side of glutes now hurting from yesterdays pin. It kind of goes like this.. 1st day not so bad 2nd a lil worse by day 4 its really bad and by day 5 to 6 it goes away. So as of right now its not fun to sit certain ways. SIDES. I think i may have been and may be running a slight fever. was hot/cold cold/hot last night and was sweating on and off. green stool today too.. eek
SO FAR the pain from these pins is not worth the reward ..like ive said early i think i probably have 250 mg active test in me right now.. may or may not hit the gym tonight im beat.

Emotional state 5 weight ?

[< <Samson> >]

I dunno, I see a difference already but it can be just the pics.

You need more tri's on your arms, bi's look solid though. I finally evened out, my tri's were bigger than my bi's forever.

[TheCanuck99]

Your body looks as though it would benefit more from just running var at 60mg a day for 9-12 weeks. Any more experienced members have input on that? If you just cut and lost some BF you'd look great. Your size seems like it's in check, definition just needs some highlighting.

[crunkee]

var ..I Like var cept hard on thee ole liver. If you read my post. I already have cycled var 3 times.. I do like it.. But it is no Test E. Plus im already into the cycle so im not stopping it ya know. Tri's ya I love to workout tri's . for the $ var is pricey. I AGREE with the bf and highlighting you was talkin bout canuck

[crunkee]

Friday 25th of May Well my least fav day at the gym Back Day,, I mix it up with abs which i dont mind at all. Anyhow glute from last sunday is 90% pain free and should be 100% by morning ..right side from wed pin still hurting but not so bad(i have had it hurt worse 3 days and 4 days later though) The workout went pretty good gained 1/2 lb which is better than losing. Strength seemed to be up a lil over all.. 2nd day of weird green stool when i chuck up a deuce. Im not sure what that means. No work for a few days so this will be great for eating and good for resting n working out. Test better be fully kicked in by June 3rd hopefully a lil sooner but by my calcs it cannot be 100% till (scroll up to see my logical bro science).

emotional state 7.5 weight 182

[crunkee]

Saturday May 26th. Just got back from the gym bicep day .. Went good didnt really move up in anything except i was able to do 3 sets of hammer curls at max weight without having to drop down 5lbs each arm like usual ..so less muscle fatigue .did an extra set at the end. took another half of my aromisin ..so half pill ..My gfs sisters husband told her last night to check out my guns he he ..she told me that today. shes like so u r telling me to check out another mans arms.. I should ripped off shirt and busted a pose right there. Pin day and pic day 2morrow...
OH PAIN... glute from sunday 100% gone .. pain from wed glute 65% gone.

Emotional state 7.5 weight 182

[crunkee]

Saturday May 26th. Just got back from the gym bicep day .. Went good didnt really move up in anything except i was able to do 3 sets of hammer curls at max weight without having to drop down 5lbs each arm like usual ..so less muscle fatigue .did an extra set at the end. took another half of my aromisin ..so half pill ..My gfs sisters husband told her last night to check out my guns he he ..she told me that today. shes like so u r telling me to check out another mans arms.. I should ripped off shirt and busted a pose right there. Pin day and pic day 2morrow...
OH PAIN... glute from sunday 100% gone .. pain from wed glute 65% gone.

Emotional state 7.5 weight 182

[crunkee]

Sunday was good ...bbq day and pin day. pin went pretty smooth, had to pin same side of glute as last time.. was almost pain free b4 the pin. I didnt fck the pinning up at all this time. Went to the gym and had a good workout. At times the weights seemed lighter than what they were. Im not feeling superman here ...but i seem to have some increased strength. libido has been elevated in the morning and sometimes for no reason at all

emotional state 8 weight 183

[crunkee]

Monday. 28th ..Well according to my calcs i should have 500mg of "active" test in me ..It sure dont feel like it though. At the gym today everything was pretty much the same.. including my glutes hurting from the pins.. right pec a lil sensitive today, not sure why? Took my AI today,, strength seemed pretty norm and my weight stayed the same . Well If im correct, I should be feeling effects greatly 6 days from now or so ...fingers crossed. As far as glutes hurting ...well it kept me up much of the night .. Im more used to it.. but its very uncomfortable.. like ive suggested before. I think the test can heal ya faster but your muscles do not get used to getting STABBED. and so far im right.

emotional state 6.5 weight 183