My right nipple has been really sensitive this week, so I finally did a self examination and I feel a lump behind my right nipple. Only on gh, peptides and t4 right now..what should I do take Adex or nova..I can definitely feel something there
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My right nipple has been really sensitive this week, so I finally did a self examination and I feel a lump behind my right nipple. Only on gh, peptides and t4 right now..what should I do take Adex or nova..I can definitely feel something there
Last edited by Razor; 07-07-2012 at 07:53 PM.
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gh can cause gyno.
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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What should I use adex or nova to get rid of it?Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
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How and why?
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not sure if its estrogen or progesterone related. I would start a-dex if you have it
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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Gonna go to The doctor and get a script and a bloodwork
I prolly need to lower my bf% fast as well, I'm gonna start clen today
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Stop GH until you're evaluated. GH is a growth promoter. In the very rare case the cells are squamous or adenocarcinomas you definitely do NOT want a growth promoter in your system.
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What dose would you run the adex at in this situation without running gear .25mg 2x a week without having my sex drive crash?
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So should I have those lvls checked as well as test and everything else?
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its all a guess with out know how high it is. I would probably do more the first week. maybe 3x a week then drop down
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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its not test causing it. its either estrogen or progesterone related
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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ok ill get those checked. the doc should give me a script right? Also will the adex make it go away or just stop it from getting worse? I remember someone here where the doc put him on letro while he was on gh, i wonder if its for that reason as well.
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depends on your dr. doubt he will do anything to blood work comes back.
if you already have tissue it probably wont go away, taking a-dex should atleast stop it from getting worse
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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How long do you think I will need to take it?
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dont have an answer for you on that.
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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Fck man I don't want to stop, should I stop the peptides too? I've never delt with this before. 12-15% bodyfat is not high enough to cause it or make it worse is it?
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C'mon man you know everything!!
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I take it your nipples aren't pierced...
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I would just start some nolva. I know that HGH does play a role in the formation of gyno. Contrary to what a lot of people think, estrogen levels are not the one and only key 'ingredient' in th formation of gyno.
If the nolva works, take some aromasin (arimidex is not a suicidal aromatase inhibitor - you want a suicidal one for something like this), 12.5mg per day should be more than enough. After a day or so of running aromasin, lay off the nolva and then shortly after eliminate the aromasin. If gyno persists, it could be prolactin causing it. Get some cabergoline if that happens and run that.
If THAT doesn't work... your gyno could be a sign of something more serious, don't mean to scare you.
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from what i read it could very well be prolactin related. Thats why i said to start the a-dex instead of the nolva. Nolva wont help if it prolactin.
I do agree aromasin is better then a-dex, i thought he had a-dex on hand so quicker to start
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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Guess it's a better idea to jump straight to the aromasin, then. If this were happening to me, i'd run aromasin at 12.5mg per day and cabergoline at 1-2mg right away (not per day, as caber has a very long half life - a whole week I believe). Should subside nearly immediately.
My question is, has his gyno progressed to the irreversible point?
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Ok I think ar-r has caber and aroma. It's really small and it just started I think it's still reversible, you can't tell just looking at my chest, I might be ok..so skip adex and go strait to caber and aroma then can I keep running the gh and peptides while running these other two ancillaries? Why dosage of the caber do I need to run?
Last edited by Razor; 07-07-2012 at 09:16 PM.
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I would take adex RIGHT NOW if you have it on hand while you wait for your caber and aromasin to arrive (ar-r's aromasin is listed as 'liquid stane' or something). Once you get your stuff, stop with adex and make your switch to the aromasin. Cabergoline has a very long half life, 7-14 days I believe, so you only need to take it once a week. I would start at 2mg as soon as you get it, and then 1mg a week later.
I don't think its necessary to stop the HGH and peptides while you run this stuff. You might want to do that as a last resort if the aromasin and caber doesn't work, but I don't think it will come to that.
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arr has prami not caber
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I agree.
Also if it does subside. I would continue to use a small amount of aromasin always while on the hg and peptides
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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Blah... yeah... bummer. I thought I saw caber on there a while ago. Then again, I haven't shopped on there in a very long time.
Prami should suffice. It would have to be taken daily, as it's half life is in the range of 8 - 12 hours.
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You guys are lifesavers thank you so much, such a tricky situation since not running test.. Will the caber and aromasin crash my sex drive without running test right now? I'm guessing starting test is out of the question..just my luck to I was just about to start running test depo...frown and sad face
I have no adex on hand I'll order the stuff right now and talk to ar admin see if he can overnight for me on Monday
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it will still help with prolactin right?
Last edited by Razor; 07-07-2012 at 09:37 PM.
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Dosage on pram?
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gonna call a friend i think he has some liquidex still that i gave him hopefully get it tonight
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Prami does the same thing as caber. If you have a source that can get caber instead, I would use that. I just trust caber more than any other prolactin antagonizer since its all i've ever used for prolactin control. Another reason to use caber over prami is the issue behind having to S L O W L Y increase your dosage or else you'll get some bad nausea side effects (something that doesn't happen with caber).
Anyhow, prami should be dosed at 0.5mg per day for the first few days, and then increase to 1mg thereafter. If you experience nausea, bring it down a notch. I think everyone will be different with the nausea effect. With that being said, 1-2mg per day is even considered a low dosage. Patients are commonly perscribed 3 or 4mg per day too! Take prami before bed, as it apparently gives you excellent deep sleep and can make you drowsy and sleepy if taken during the day. Apparently it can knock you out cold lol.
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Im going to go with prami then cause ar-r has it and I already have horrible insomnia and trying to go to sleep is a bitch so this sounds like a home run for me!! Dude thanks for coming out of retirement to help me out! Have not seen you post in ages but very happy you did in here..So the prami will work though right?
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One thing to add concerning the sleep effects: a lot of people are reporting that it knocks them outcold and gives them a gloriously deep sleep, but are waking up in the middle of the night at like 5am unable to get back to sleep, and causing them to have to rebound nap during the day. Quite strange for something that initially gives deep sleep.
Prami should work for the purpose of lowering elevated prolactin though, so as long as you can put up with the stupid sides it'll do its job (I read that the amount of prami users susceptible to sides like nausea is in the range of 30%). But i'm telling you, caber IMO is far superior, and its unfortunate that caber is so rare.
And no problem dude, any time you need help or questions feel free to ask, pm me, whatever. Keep us updated on how this goes. I'm interested to see what happens here, seeing as though you're not using anything other than peptides.
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I am running the gh too..what do you think about me starting test though, wait till this clears and see how it goes, I was about to go back up to 10iu ed of gh when I get my boxes in and run the cyp, but it looks like im going to have to stick to 2.5iu of gh for a while and the peps..do you think I will ever be able to run test again?
As far as sleep my problem is actually falling asleep, once im asleep nothing wakes me and i mean nothing up so this will be an interesting experience..looks like im going to be the science experience around here for the next few weeks.
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You should be able to run test. Obviously not right this minute or this week. I think that this little problem should solve in a matter of days after starting aromasin and prami. I doubt this will be something that will take weeks to subside. With that being said, you should be able to do whatever planned cycle shortly thereafter. Just watch and monitor yourself closely while you're on cycle. And keep aromasin and prami on hand. I say keep it on hand because even though test is not a progestin and shouldn't cause elevated prolactin, rising estrogen can be a culprit, but its very rare. You're more likely to get progesterone aggrivated gyno from progestins like deca and tren.
Wait for all this to subside before running 10iu per day of HGH. Like I said, this sounds like it should clear up in a matter of days, so it's not like you're going to have to wait a long time before doing the other things you want to do.
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Looks like im driving to TJ tomorrow for some drug hunting...ar-r is not letting me order :/
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Sounds like a plan, i was just going to run a mild cycle of depo @500mg a week and some hcg and adex, but looks like ill just run the aromasin with it when i go back on the depo... nothing too crazy no tren or deca or anything like that. Ill stay at 2.5iu of gh for now for fat loss and just to stay on so there is no gaps because im in my 3rd month of this cycle of gh.
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Ive learned one lesson, growth does not come without some sides no matter what you do, this is a give and a take business..you win some and you lose some just like in life with everything else. The road to greatness is a narrow and long journey
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Not always and not necessarily.
I'm one of those very VERY rare lucky ones that have (so far) had no ill effects what so ever. I've never had gyno, never been shutdown from a cycle, I don't have the genetics for hair loss, never had anything except for the worst being an extra zit every week here and there on my body. I don't even get CTS sides while on HGH, and i'm running 5iu per day right now. And I say 'so far' because with age, things change. Never know, I might hit a certain age and find i'm suddenly susceptible to gyno or some other side effect I never got before. We all change as we age and respond differently to things we never responded in such a way before. This happens with everything from food we eat to drugs and synthetic compounds. That's why it's important to keep close watch of yourself and to know your body.
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Very true and wise, you are lucky, I never had any sides until now. Hoping for a speedy recovery, If i cant get any liqidex from my friend tonight im going to TJ and ill get everything tomorrow
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