What are your thoughts for a cycle with big gains? Let me hear from my Vets!

[juice work]

Im finishing off a 5 month cycle of Sustanon 300 Test Prop 200 and Eq 250 1ml 2x week on monday and thursdays. I have put on 42 lbs from this cycle and feel great, I have changed my diet several times, even looked up proper nutrition for my blood type!

My question is, i am going to cycle off for 2 months and jump back on, what should i take to get bigger with low risk of gyno, i hear deca bothers a lot of peoples dick and nipples and heard several people say they don't like it.

I want to know what you guys think, which test? a blend of test like andropen or sustanon or just one single ester? What should stack with what and should i include orals? What are your thoughts? I have read the profiles over and over again but nothing beats advice from a person with experience!

25 years old 6 feet tall, 210 lbs from 171lbs over 5 months AAS cycle 200 cal per lb diet 2g of protein per lb diet with 2 shakes daily morning and afternoon with meals, work out 6 days a week and bust my a$$ need more info read my older posts

[gixxerboy1]

if you were on for 5 months you need to run a hell of a pct and wait more then 2 months to start again

[Atomini]

FORTY TWO POUNDS?? That's a lot. And I thought that my 27 lbs (5 of that being fat) gained on my very first cycle was on the high end.

Honestly, my thoughts on cycles for big gains is very minimal. The more muscle weight you put on and the faster you do it... the faster you'll just end up losing it. It is far better to do shorter cycles and gain smaller amounts at a time more frequently than to do these gargantuan 5-month cycles. Not to mention the unnecessary stressors on the human body when running exogenous hormones for that long... we all know about that, and i'm not going to expand on that as i've posted about it plenty before.

Better to get on, make a good solid 15 lbs of gains, get off as soon as you can and keep what you got so you can be back on another cycle a little sooner. Better to do that than do 5 monthers, gain 35 lbs, and then struggle big time with recovery only to end up losing half (or more) of that weight.

My attitude with my cycles is not to think "what can I get out of THIS cycle" but more so to look at the BIG picture and ask myself "what can I get over the course of this year, in 3 smaller cycles?". You can only walk up a couple steps at a time, and Rome wasn't built in a day.

[juice work]

yea im definitely happy with what i have put on so far and its pretty lean muscle, im sure ill loose a few pounds but its well worth it.

so what are you thoughts for my next cycle, it probably will not be another 5 monther haha

[juice work]

if you were on for 5 months you need to run a hell of a pct and wait more then 2 months to start again

we meet again haha, you always have good advice, thats why im jumping off my 9 month cycle 4 months early

pct i have 10,000 iu of hcg and 120 tabs of 10mg tamox and 120 tabs of 20mg tamox, dont know if i will be needing clomid i would like to avoid it because of the potential damage to the eyes and libido im also going to take P6 by Cellucore to boost natural test production 18 days after last pin

[gixxerboy1]

we meet again haha, you always have good advice, thats why im jumping off my 9 month cycle 4 months early

pct i have 10,000 iu of hcg and 120 tabs of 10mg tamox and 120 tabs of 20mg tamox, dont know if i will be needing clomid i would like to avoid it because of the potential damage to the eyes and libido im also going to take P6 by Cellucore to boost natural test production 18 days after last pin

Any test will work. You will not notice a difference in results at the end from using sust or test e or any variation.
Deca works good. Yes there can be possible sides but pretty much all steroids have chance of sides. If you take the proper precautions i wouldnt worry

[Atomini]

You're going to have to remember that you started your cycle at 170 lbs. That's extremely low, and low enough that you shouldn't have cycled in the first place. You likely could have put on half of what you gained in this cycle without AAS.

I waited until I was 200 lbs. at about 10-12% bodyfat before I cycled. Obviously, someone who has stacked on more muscle mass prior to cycling will not be able to put on nearly as much muscle as someone who starts to cycle at a far lighter weight and who has far less muscle mass to begin with.

And with that being said, as you continue to do subsequent cycles over your life, you are never ever going to be able to gain the same amounts each time. You will gain less and less with each cycle, and this is because the more mass you pack on, the closer you reach your body's limits and it therefore becomes much harder to gain. This is when you need to fight (even with AAS) for that extra 5-15 lb. gain when bulking. Gone will be your days of 40 lb mass gains. Enjoy the one you just had, because you're not going to ever get those kind of gains again (unless you drop out of training and stop eating, or get into a car accident or something and lose all your muscle only to have to start from the bottom again - i've had that happen to me before). And so this is why your cycling protocols are going to have to change to favor shorter cycles rather than these super long ones, because they just won't work as well as they used to for this reason. Muscle gain as you become bigger and bigger will have to come in small leaps and slingshots - not in a steady state linear fashion.

[juice work]

You're going to have to remember that you started your cycle at 170 lbs. That's extremely low, and low enough that you shouldn't have cycled in the first place. You likely could have put on half of what you gained in this cycle without AAS.

I waited until I was 200 lbs. at about 10-12% bodyfat before I cycled. Obviously, someone who has stacked on more muscle mass prior to cycling will not be able to put on nearly as much muscle as someone who starts to cycle at a far lighter weight and who has far less muscle mass to begin with.

And with that being said, as you continue to do subsequent cycles over your life, you are never ever going to be able to gain the same amounts each time. You will gain less and less with each cycle, and this is because the more mass you pack on, the closer you reach your body's limits and it therefore becomes much harder to gain. This is when you need to fight (even with AAS) for that extra 5-15 lb. gain when bulking. Gone will be your days of 40 lb mass gains. Enjoy the one you just had, because you're not going to ever get those kind of gains again (unless you drop out of training and stop eating, or get into a car accident or something and lose all your muscle only to have to start from the bottom again - i've had that happen to me before). And so this is why your cycling protocols are going to have to change to favor shorter cycles rather than these super long ones, because they just won't work as well as they used to for this reason. Muscle gain as you become bigger and bigger will have to come in small leaps and slingshots - not in a steady state linear fashion.

well put mate, im leaving work and will reply to this later tomorrow, would like to continue convo with the both of you

[songdog]

Well you got a lot to learn and I hope you do it before you mess yourself up.Longer isnt always better.

[juice work]

Well you got a lot to learn and I hope you do it before you mess yourself up.Longer isnt always better.

Im doin my best to learn bro, most my boys been on for 2.5 years and doin fine and other friends runnin like i am drop run pct and jump right back and all is good for them, it seems like this website is one of the few that dont like long cycles for obvious potential risks,

anyhow not tryn to argue with you i respect all who give advice and have more experience than me, i am going to cycle off and start pct heavy hcg and tamox NO clomid and i will take p6 during pct to speed up recovery

what are your thoughts for a big gain cycle?

so far ive heard test of any kind and Deca