2 Short Bulk cycle, fast esters

[captindumbass]

Ignore my name, it is for my privacy reasons.

Looking for everyones views on here for my bulk from now till february.

Not my first cycle, this would be my 7th or 8th cycle.
Looking to add 10-15 pounds of mass for next year to compete.
I am trying to hold onto my gains and enchance my recovery for not being on to long.
I am sticking to short esters to reduce the bloating effect overall and want clean mass.
I've ran the test e/eq test c/deca mix'ed before
tren a, mast, test e/c, clen, t3 for precontest

Currently 5'8 195 10% BF.

Weeks 1-5
200mg-300mg Test prop EOD
100mg-150 NPP EOD
1mg adex EOD if needed,
8iu hgh 4 upon waking 4 before bed
20iu slin fast acting 10 upon waking 10 pwo with 120g hi clean gi carbs

Weeks 6-10 pct for 4 weeks with hcg, nolva and clomid and ai

Weeks 11-16
200mg-300mg Test prop EOD
100mg-150 NPP EOD
1mg adex EOD if needed,
8iu hgh 4 upon waking 4 before bed
20iu slin fast acting 10 upon waking 10 pwo with 120g hi clean gi carbs

I will do cardio 3 times per week while bulking for 20 mins just to keep things in check if weigh gets out of hand.

Then possibly PCT or bridge straight through until contest is over, so another 3-4 months of cutting with probably test e/c mast and tren a, and hgh, t3 as needed and clen as needed with am cardio.


macro ratio will be 40% protein, 30% carb 30% fat.
Eating 6-8 times a day with a meal middle of night

Food will consist of
talipa, chicken breast ( no rib meat), Steak, Albacore, flounder, oats, sweet potatoes, veggies, white rice and red potato, Will have fast acting glucose on hand messing with slin.

I can be more detailed if needed, just a quick run up of what I have in mind and want to see others thoughts.


Thanks in advance

[gixxerboy1]

i would use an ai if you think you need it or not.
i would go on and come off the gh. you need to run it for a long time for benefits.
i honestly wouldnt come off for 4 weeks, i would cruise at a lower dose of test.

[captindumbass]

Yeah I forgot to add I would be running my hgh at least 6 months, probably not 8iu if im off though.
I normally use an AI but some pro I personally know said not to as he was doing my prep, and not to unless I needed it with the sides and I haven't used an AI since I been on and have no issues but I prefer to be safe than sorry.
I want to recover wouldn't cruising still shut my natural levels down?

[stpete]

Stay on the gh and like gixxer said, cruise for a while.

[gixxerboy1]

Yeah I forgot to add I would be running my hgh at least 6 months, probably not 8iu if im off though.
I normally use an AI but some pro I personally know said not to as he was doing my prep, and not to unless I needed it with the sides and I haven't used an AI since I been on and have no issues but I prefer to be safe than sorry.
I want to recover wouldn't cruising still shut my natural levels down?

you are correct, you will not recover while cruising in those 4 weeks. It typically takes months to fully recover. just because you finished your pct does not mean you are recovered. And what the point if you are shutting yourself down the next week? 16 weeks isnt on isnt unheard of. i would just blast and cruise for those 16 weeks then do your pct.

[Bonaparte]

Was CaptainDumbass already taken? lol

[captindumbass]

Was CaptainDumbass already taken? lol

No I misspelled, ****ing no spell check... oops lol

[captindumbass]

you are correct, you will not recover while cruising in those 4 weeks. It typically takes months to fully recover. just because you finished your pct does not mean you are recovered. And what the point if you are shutting yourself down the next week? 16 weeks isnt on isnt unheard of. i would just blast and cruise for those 16 weeks then do your pct.

So coast weeks off on what 200mg prop EOD or more like 50-75mg EOD?


I was originally going to do 20 weeks on with long esters changing it up 2x between test e/c and deca/eq.

Any recommendations or should this be enough for bulking? I am not a fan of orals, tried halotestin and made me feel like complete shit even though my strength went up alot.

[captindumbass]

Also should I just run my hgh all week 7 days on to recover everyday instead of 5 on 2 off at say 6iu per day?

[gixxerboy1]

yes i would drop it down to 75mg eod during the cruise

[kelkel]

Was CaptainDumbass already taken? lol

Oh that's funny!

[kelkel]

And run an AI on cycle. Read Swifto's sticky thread on it. Just because you don't get gyno, etc. does not mean there aren't issues. And 1mg EOD is way to high a dosage. Get some BW pulled midstream and adjust.

[captindumbass]

well that 1mg was advised to me by hrmmmm Dave Palumbo, not gonna drop any more names. This was what he recommended at Test E and Deca bulk cycle

[mockery]

well that 1mg was advised to me by hrmmmm Dave Palumbo, not gonna drop any more names. This was what he recommended at Test E and Deca bulk cycle

so if you have a ex pro giving u face to face first hand advice to cycle why come here?

[mockery]

That's like if i had Richard Simmons giving me advice how to diet i wouldn't be in the diet forum 6 hours a day pissing my girlfriend off that i love tuna and rice micros more then her

[austinite]

That's like if i had Richard Simmons giving me advice how to diet i wouldn't be in the diet forum 6 hours a day pissing my girlfriend off that i love tuna and rice micros more then her

So when you're ready to install a new roof on your house, and a professional tells you it will cost you 10k, will you just pay up or get more opinions? Nothing wrong with getting opinions, even the pro's do it.

[mockery]

So when you're ready to install a new roof on your house, and a professional tells you it will cost you 10k, will you just pay up or get more opinions? Nothing wrong with getting opinions, even the pro's do it.

cute.

again if he had an experienced gear user such as the name he "dropped" i highly doubt he would have to come here and discuss and get other opinions.

[gixxerboy1]

well that 1mg was advised to me by hrmmmm Dave Palumbo, not gonna drop any more names. This was what he recommended at Test E and Deca bulk cycle

I dont know why he recommended that dose. But i know by bloodwork that would be way to much for me

[measuretwicecutonce]

ya don't come off the hgh. u need at least 6 months on that. u should start gh 2 moths before 1st cycle n 2months aftr last.

isn't a 8ui a little high? - i am not gh expert? opinions? I've always though 2-4 range. ?

[captindumbass]

so if you have a ex pro giving u face to face first hand advice to cycle why come here?

Why because I been here long before working with gurus.
This is where i started but i figured it be a bit easier working with someone who made it through the NPC national level to the IFBB pro ranks and alike.
Dave was never pro.
Because I know the guys here know there stuff and not just say take 3g o test e a week + some harder anabolics.
I know what I know and I also like to hear others views on my planned cycle, I don't know it all but I am open to others opinions.

So thats why

[captindumbass]

I dont know why he recommended that dose. But i know by bloodwork that would be way to much for me

Because of the high conversion rate and to avoid getting the sides as he put it.
yes 1mg adex EOD while on.

[captindumbass]

ya don't come off the hgh. u need at least 6 months on that. u should start gh 2 moths before 1st cycle n 2months aftr last.

isn't a 8ui a little high? - i am not gh expert? opinions? I've always though 2-4 range. ?

Start the GH 2 months before cycle? Why? Doesn't it work way better with anabolics instead of natty? ( Just curious on your logic, not being a dick )
I plan on at least 6 months to a 1 year of GH.
I am trying to grow with at least 2-3iu 2x per day.
Goal is to grow as much as I can this off season and move up a weight class or bring in a denser thicker look.