HRT and Orals

[KillerWhale]

Hey. Long time, first time...

I am currently getting test injections (a full 5cc injection every other week) from the doctor. I know, it isn't ideal, but it is what it is. I'd like to supplement this somewhat. I know everyone is down on "oral only" cycles and I understand that. Could I add an oral to my normal injection and see some considerable improvements in size? If so, what do you suggest?

I'm a veteran natural lifter but new to AAS. Any suggestions?

Thanks!
KW

[gixxerboy1]

something isnt right. what are you injecting, what milligram is it?

[KillerWhale]

It's done in the doctor's office for HRT. It's delatestryl and I believe it is 200mg/ml.

[gixxerboy1]

are you sure its 5ml's of it. Thats pretty much half a vial or a huge syringe full

[austinite]

Woah.

[KillerWhale]

Yep, an entire 5ml vial.

[austinite]

So 1000mg of test per shot?

[gixxerboy1]

you need to find a new dr fast. That is not good at all. He is giving you 1000mgs every 2 weeks. Thats a cycle amount not trt. And doing that much at 1 time and waiting 2 weeks again for another dose is going to give you side effects along with big hormonal swings.

This is not something any doctor should be doing or anyone taking steroids. I'm shocked

[KillerWhale]

Yes. I know it would be better to break it into smaller, more frequent doses but that isn't going to happen. Will putting orals in the mix be like an "oral only" cycle and cause problems or is there a way I can pull this off without altering the test?

[KillerWhale]

Thanks, Gixxerboy. To be honest, I've run this way for a long time and haven't had any issues.

[austinite]

Yes. I know it would be better to break it into smaller, more frequent doses but that isn't going to happen. Will putting orals in the mix be like an "oral only" cycle and cause problems or is there a way I can pull this off without altering the test?

What do you mean it's not going to happen? You don't like the frequency of injections or you don't want to seek another doctor? I wouldnt touch orals until you get your TRT straightened out first. When was the last time you had blood work? I guarantee 2 consecutive blood works will show out of whack results for you.

[KillerWhale]

OK, I appreciate the advice. I might get a second opinion then. I never had in the past because I felt good on it. I haven't had blood work in a long time. How long would that dosage last in the body? I don't really feel a "crash" or anything.

[gixxerboy1]

typical mixing an oral in with you trt isnt a big deal. But with your protocal i would be concerned.
You may not be feeling sides but being on a dose like that long terms has effects. It effects cholesterial, rbc, prostate. What your doing is not healthy long term

[KillerWhale]

Appreciate it guys... I guess I should have done some homework. I presumed the doc knew best.

[gixxerboy1]

just to give you an idea. I'm also in trt. I take 100mg every 5 days. That keeps my blood levels stable all the time and my test levels above the normal range. I'm over 1100. Most dr's want you to be around 800.

[austinite]

I got to a longevity clinic for TRT, and I requested another doctor at one point after a few visits. It's amazing the difference in opinions and prescriptions. Best of luck to you.

[KillerWhale]

The problem is, he won't let me do my own. So, having to attend the doctor's office every five days would be a pain in the ass. If he gave it to me in the same quantity but I was able to take it when I wanted, I could spread that out and make it more reasonable.

[gixxerboy1]

there is an HRT section here. I would do some reading up in there. It will give you a better idea on what your doing.

[KillerWhale]

Will do.

[Times Roman]

Thanks, Gixxerboy. To be honest, I've run this way for a long time and haven't had any issues.

everyone feels "good" on cycle doses of test!!

that is a short term sensation. but in the long run, this WILL kick your ass!

blood pressure will be too high
lipid panels will be poor
RBC will be through the roof
and if no AI, then almost gurantee your E levels will be too high

all these are potential killers in the long term.

step #1. Have your doctor take a complete blood panel, including everything i mentioned.

step #2. Lower your dose to an amout appropriate to replacement therapy levels (typically around 100mg/week)

Do it now mate! This isn't something to be playing around with.

And let us know how it goes

Good luck!

[freddy1418]

everyone feels "good" on cycle doses of test!!

that is a short term sensation. but in the long run, this WILL kick your ass!

blood pressure will be too high
lipid panels will be poor
RBC will be through the roof
and if no AI, then almost gurantee your E levels will be too high

all these are potential killers in the long term.

step #1. Have your doctor take a complete blood panel, including everything i mentioned.

step #2. Lower your dose to an amout appropriate to replacement therapy levels (typically around 100mg/week)

Do it now mate! This isn't something to be playing around with.

And let us know how it goes

Good luck!

I've heard of people saying 250mg a week of test e or c is a trt dose and now I'm hearing 100mg ????? Which is it? not to hijack but the question has relevance to the thread

[gixxerboy1]

I've heard of people saying 250mg a week of test e or c is a trt dose and now I'm hearing 100mg ????? Which is it? not to hijack but the question has relevance to the thread

everyone body works a little different so amounts may vary per person. 100mg a week is pretty common dose. My dr is cool and dont mind if my levels are high so i do 100mg every 5 days

[freddy1418]

everyone body works a little different so amounts may vary per person. 100mg a week is pretty common dose. My dr is cool and dont mind if my levels are high so i do 100mg every 5 days

What ester c,e or p?

[gixxerboy1]

test cyp

[warmouth]

I've heard of people saying 250mg a week of test e or c is a trt dose and now I'm hearing 100mg ????? Which is it? not to hijack but the question has relevance to the thread

It is different for different people. I know people on 75mgs every 10 days, and I know people on 200mgs every week. Different Drs do different things, and people are different anyways. I think 250 is a little more than is needed for any TRT, but to each his own. This Dr of the OP is either an old timer or a new guy who dont know what he is doing. I would definitely get another doctor in this case as I thinkthe sides would be horrendous.

[freddy1418]

It is different for different people. I know people on 75mgs every 10 days, and I know people on 200mgs every week. Different Drs do different things, and people are different anyways. I think 250 is a little more than is needed for any TRT, but to each his own. This Dr of the OP is either an old timer or a new guy who dont know what he is doing. I would definitely get another doctor in this case as I thinkthe sides would be horrendous.

I agree with you Gix... to the OP def look into another dr I've never heard of such thing.... 5ml in 1 shot sounds kinda crazt to me... (wouldn't want to feel the pip on that lol) I would check the hrt/trt section here to and post there to get more opinions but Gix and a lot of the guys here are normally on point with there advice