Prop, tren, mast, winstrol.....considering adding t3

[Exilus]

Im 225 11% BF 5'10

currently on 350 mg of each: Tren A, Test P, Mast P, Winstrol Inj (oil).

diet is about 2000-2400 cals depending on my hunger, mostly from lean protein sources and vegetables, with a little bit of carbs in the morning and/or after the workout

i workout 5 days a week and do 1 hour of mild cardio 4 to 5 days a week.

I was doing a 12 week cycle with the first 4 weeks as a bulk and now im cutting down, im 3 weeks into my cut (started 15% BF) and still have 1 more month to go.

I have a slow metabolism...would you suggest me to add T3 to the cycle?

[ANIMAL]

I suggest you get your diet in check. Why don't you post up each meal that you are eating so we can see if anything can be changed without adding another product to your cycle.

The reason why I say your diet needs work is because you say you have "very little carbs" with breakfast and/or after the workout. So after you basically destroy your muscles in the gym for however long, how do you repair and grow without any carbs? If your diet isn't in check while you're on cycle you WILL lose all your gains that you have made on cycle. Post workout meal is the most important meal of the day. Seems like you're relying on the gear to gain any size and/or lose fat when you can do A LOT if you have everything in check.

Judging by the degree of what you're taking for your cycle it doesn't seem like you're new to any of this, so I'd like to see what your diet consists of.

[Exilus]

meal 1: 500ml eggwhite and 1/3 cup oats
meal 2: 200-300g horse meat and 150g low-fat cheese
meal 3: 200-300g chicken breast with 250g boilled vegetables blend
Postworkout: 200-300g lean steak+1/3 cup oats (I often skip these oats and replace em with 200g vegetables)
pre-bed meal: 200-300g tilapia with 200g asparagus

I often do some kind of rotation...some days i wont eat any carb at all, some other days ill take a full cup of oats on the morning and nothing after the workout, sometime i wont eat oats the morning but ill take 2/3 cup after the workout...etc, but i never exceed 1 cup of oats a day and i dont eat any other kind of carbs beside vegetables


I've never had a problem with gains on cycle or keeping them post-cycle.

this is my 6th cycle

[austinite]

I'd lower your test dosage to 150-200 per week. Let the tren do it's thing. However, you seem to be getting good results from your cut. 15 to 12% in 3 weeks? That's outstanding.

[Exilus]

I'd lower your test dosage to 150-200 per week. Let the tren do it's thing. However, you seem to be getting good results from your cut. 15 to 12% in 3 weeks? That's outstanding.

Winstrol has been cutting my appetite pretty bad sometime i skip meals and onl eat 2-3 times :S

[Lunk1]

I'd lower your test dosage to 150-200 per week. Let the tren do it's thing. However, you seem to be getting good results from your cut. 15 to 12% in 3 weeks? That's outstanding.

I agree with Austin although I would also bump the tren to around 500mg a week and the Mast to around 600mg a week. But that's me!!!

[ANIMAL]

meal 1: 500ml eggwhite and 1/3 cup oats
meal 2: 200-300g horse meat and 150g low-fat cheese
meal 3: 200-300g chicken breast with 250g boilled vegetables blend
Postworkout: 200-300g lean steak+1/3 cup oats (I often skip these oats and replace em with 200g vegetables)
pre-bed meal: 200-300g tilapia with 200g asparagus

I often do some kind of rotation...some days i wont eat any carb at all, some other days ill take a full cup of oats on the morning and nothing after the workout, sometime i wont eat oats the morning but ill take 2/3 cup after the workout...etc, but i never exceed 1 cup of oats a day and i dont eat any other kind of carbs beside vegetables


I've never had a problem with gains on cycle or keeping them post-cycle.

this is my 6th cycle

Your diet needs a lot of work. You barely have any good fats and barely any carbs. Do you ever come off cycle? No one else is baffled by this of basically all protein?

[stpete]

Your diet needs a lot of work. You barely have any good fats and barely any carbs. Do you ever come off cycle? No one else is baffled by this of basically all protein?

I agree w/you. I think meal 3 needs some carbs. And if not, post workout for sure w/ the veggies.

Exilus-Are you sure it's the winstrol and not the tren restricting your diet?

[Exilus]

I do cycles of 8 to 12 weeks with 1 month pct plus one month break. blood tests always come out fine.

Im on a low-carb diet. anyway the body can convert excess protein into carbs so theres no point in eating more carbs im on 100-150g carbs a day and 50-70g of fats which is plenty for a cut.

its the winstrol, i ran prop and tren for the first 4 weeks then added in winstrol and masteron for my cut and thats the exact moment my appetite was suppressed.

[ANIMAL]

I do cycles of 8 to 12 weeks with 1 month pct plus one month break. blood tests always come out fine.

Im on a low-carb diet. anyway the body can convert excess protein into carbs so theres no point in eating more carbs im on 100-150g carbs a day which is plenty for a cut.

its the winstrol, i ran prop and tren for the first 4 weeks then added in winstrol and masteron for my cut and thats the exact moment my appetite was suppressed.

Complex carbs are your friend and could take your body to another level. But I'm not going to try to beat a dead horse, if you don't think your diet needs any work I'm ok with that. Just here to help.

[Exilus]

Complex carbs are your friend and could take your body to another level. But I'm not going to try to beat a dead horse, if you don't think your diet needs any work I'm ok with that. Just here to help.

i don't spit on your advice,i appreciate it. im just worried that more complex carbs would only result in less fat loss.

[austinite]

I don't even see the problem here. You're making progress. If it aint broke, don't fix it.

[Bonaparte]

Props for getting some horse meat into your diet. I can't wait until horse steak is readily available in the US.

[ironbeck]

Nice cycle, i don't think you need to add t3 your getting outstanding results you can push your body to a level of diminishing returns, oh and carbs don't equal fat in my book. Hows your energy levels a 1/2 cup of oats here and there will help. When i have a diet consisting of too much protein and not enough complex carbs I get lethargic, buts that's me.

[ANIMAL]

i don't spit on your advice,i appreciate it. im just worried that more complex carbs would only result in less fat loss.

Carb cycling would be great for you. You get your body in a state where you are using carbs ONLY as fuel so nothing is stored "fat" for later use and you worrying about less fat loss gets thrown out the window.

I have lost 20+lbs on diet/nutrition alone. No supplements, not even a fat burner. I studied and researched, experimented and learned exactly how my body adapts/adjusts to whatever I throw at it.

Everyone is different. Carb cycling, keto diet, mod protein/mod carb/low fat etc. all are different diet methods that work differently on one person to the next.

You are on a lot of gear, so it is taking place of proper nutrition needed to either grow with lean muscle and/or lose fat all on it's own. The reason why you are able to keep everything you gain on cycle is because you don't give yourself enough time to recoup. I read that your blood results come back normal every time but MOST of the time it's the long term effects that we have to worry about.

No one is invincible as it WILL affect you at some point in your life if you continue. A proper diet will allow you to change your body without the help of gear. This way when you do decide to jump back on your foundation is GREAT and you are even more of a beast then you are now.

You may not feel lethargic (which is crazy) because I am on a carb cycle and I need to carb up once a week just to make it through next weeks workout. Vegetables are not a good source of carbs/energy. They are simple carbs but do break down/digest similar to complex. You would see an incredible change within the first 2 weeks if you started having complex carbs for breakfast, pre workout and post workout.

Just to give you an example of what I'm talking about:

To start you off I would have you eating 240g of COMPLEX CARBS on workout days. 36g at breakfast/96g pre workout/108g post workout. On cardio days only you would cut your carb consumption in half, eating 120g with the same split 18g breakfast/48g pre workout/54g post workout. On off days only take in green vegetables for carbs. I found that 2 "off" days worked best for me, lifting on the 2nd off day with no carbs which would be followed by a carb up day where you do no lifting. Carb up day would consist of ~350g carbs to restore muscle glycogen in your body. Divided between 6 meals a day would come out to roughly 58g complex carbs in each meal. I guarantee, when you wake up the following morning after a carb up you will have one of the greatest workouts every week. The reason why I would have you take in carbs in your first meal is to give you energy to get through the day. Pre workout so you have the energy to get through your workout and then finally post workout to restore and grow after destroying your body in the gym.

After about a month of this steady dieting, your body will use carbs JUST for energy and store nothing, leaving you with LBM and fat loss.

I would have you taking in 270g protein and 40g fat every day, not changing on workout/non workout days.

To explain what I mean about using carbs as energy only, I came up with this:

You can fill your car to full and drive 1 mile, leave your car and come back 1 day later and still have that full tank of gas, same thing goes for our bodies and carbs. Like fuel is energy for cars, carbs is energy for humans. If we consume a bunch of carbs in one meal and not do any activities that require energy, our bodies hold onto the carbs for later use. If you continue eating carbs and then eventually goto the gym for example, your body will feed off the carbs it has, but chances are you have too much and you don't utilize it all. To compensate for that, you eat carbs to the point where you will use them as energy and nothing is stored.

I hope that makes sense to you. I spent a lot of time perfecting my diet before jumping on a cycle. The human body is amazing, you can really go in great length in changing your whole body composition just by using hard work and nutrition.

Sorry for the long post, I just love nutrition.

[Scabtree]

meal 1: 500ml eggwhite and 1/3 cup oats
meal 2: 200-300g horse meat and 150g low-fat cheese
meal 3: 200-300g chicken breast with 250g boilled vegetables blend
Postworkout: 200-300g lean steak+1/3 cup oats (I often skip these oats and replace em with 200g vegetables)
pre-bed meal: 200-300g tilapia with 200g asparagus

I often do some kind of rotation...some days i wont eat any carb at all, some other days ill take a full cup of oats on the morning and nothing after the workout, sometime i wont eat oats the morning but ill take 2/3 cup after the workout...etc, but i never exceed 1 cup of oats a day and i dont eat any other kind of carbs beside vegetables


I've never had a problem with gains on cycle or keeping them post-cycle.

this is my 6th cycle

Horse meat? Yum... Never tried it, but I hear It tastes much like St. Bernards.