Just how dangerous is PH?

[KETOGUY]

Hello,

I plan to start a PH cycle soon (Stanivar: Halovar/Superdrone). Just how bad is PH for us and our liver? I used to be a drug user. I used a lot of meth, and heavy alcohol which both metabolize in the liver as well just like PH. (My liver tests post sobering up are perfect) I can't imagine PH is worse for me (one cycle) than meth and alcohol abuse is it? Is there anyone here that might want to discourage me from going ahead with this one cycle of Stanivar? It contains Saw Palmetto Berries 125mg Milk Thistle (80% Silymarin) 200mg N-acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC) 200mg for liver protection. Is the bad stuff I'm reading on the net overblown or valid?

I take a multi vittle, I eat well and do cardio almost everyday and one day per week of weights. I am in the best shape of my life and don't want to f myself up but would love to get some help with my muscle gains - just once.

[Honkey_Kong]

Hello,

I plan to start a PH cycle soon (Stanivar: Halovar/Superdrone). Just how bad is PH for us and our liver? I used to be a drug user. I used a lot of meth, and heavy alcohol which both metabolize in the liver as well just like PH. (My liver tests post sobering up are perfect) I can't imagine PH is worse for me (one cycle) than meth and alcohol abuse is it? Is there anyone here that might want to discourage me from going ahead with this one cycle of Stanivar? It contains Saw Palmetto Berries 125mg Milk Thistle (80% Silymarin) 200mg N-acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC) 200mg for liver protection. Is the bad stuff I'm reading on the net overblown or valid?

I take a multi vittle, I eat well and do cardio almost everyday and one day per week of weights. I am in the best shape of my life and don't want to f myself up but would love to get some help with my muscle gains - just once.

What are your stats (age, weight, bodyfat %, height, training experience)? Also when did you stop using meth and excessive drinking?

As far as your training goes, one day a week of weight lifting really isn't enough to put muscle on. What does your diet and workout routine look like?

[KETOGUY]

36 years old, 72", 208 lbs, 25% fat. I'm currently on keto losing 1lb daily. To keep at this rate of weight loss I eat approx 1,100 cal, 190g protein, 60g fat and 20g carbs per day. I skip breakfast and have two meals daily - a lunch and dinner. Protein and fat only. Mostly chicken, sometimes fish. Seldomly I will eat a steak. I also supplement with a zero carb Isopure protein shake made with almond milk daily. I will be at my goal weight in approx 2 weeks at which point I will start a maintenance diet which will include more carbs and vegetables, but pretty much the same otherwise. I've been sober for a year. I have been working out for the past 4 months. I've worked out my whole life on and off but never too seriously. Right now I jog a 5K 5X per week. On Wednesdays I do upper body dumbbell exercises, 3 sets, all to positive failure: seated rear lateral raise, shoulder press, upright row. I also do 3 sets of push-ups to positive failure. It's a very fast work out. I am not looking to be a hulk right now rather I would just like to have an above-average looking body. My initial goal was fat loss, but now I am wanting some help with my upper body.

I had read that muscles can take up to a week to recover fully and that some pros only work a particular muscle group once per week. That is why I decided on one weights day per week. It did seem strange as nobody I know only works out one day per week.

note: this photo attachment is a mistake. I meant to upload a different before and after but I can't remove it. ignore it. It's my first results picture after I dropped some pounds. not a current pic.

[KETOGUY]

..oh, if and when I start PH, I was going to add curls and tri extensions to my routine. I was going to multiply this routine throughout the week, but was unsure just how much rest I actually need in between workouts.

[Honkey_Kong]

By working one particular muscle group, they mean like one day they'll work chest the next they'll work back, etc. etc. You know so you don't overtrain.

4 months of training is not enough time to be worth messing with your body's hormones. And I don't think your workout is intense enough. I wouldn't run PH anyways. Most of them have really bad side-effects and aren't worth the gains you'll get from them. My advice is to train seriously for a few years before you consider PH/DS/AAS at the very least.

[songdog]

I agree with the above.Your joints and tendons stand a real good chance of being injured.Do to the rapid increase in strenght.Not a good idea Bro.

[KETOGUY]

Okay, thank you both. I appreciate your feedback. Not quite sure yet what I'm going to do. Just for my own education, if I were to do a 4 week stanivar cycle, and add a number of additional upper body dumbbell exercises to my regimen - how often could I do such a full upper body workout? Is one day off in between workouts enough? Or do I need more than one day's rest? Would mon, wed, and fri be too much or okay?

[Until_It_Sleeps]

So, you eat:

- 1100 calories (I'm a short, lightweight female 3 weeks from a show and eat more than you!)
- Two meals a day, including no breakfast
- Next to zero carbs

All the steroids/prohormones in the world won't put an ounce of muscle on you.

[KETOGUY]

So, you eat:

- 1100 calories (I'm a short, lightweight female 3 weeks from a show and eat more than you!)
- Two meals a day, including no breakfast
- Next to zero carbs

All the steroids/prohormones in the world won't put an ounce of muscle on you.

Okay, that makes sense. What I'm doing right now is finishing up on a keto plan to lose fat. Once I'm at my goal, I will increase my intake for my cycle. I suppose I need to do some research and redo new macros if I do a PM cycle. I am curious to get some feedback about that, as I want to be sure to not gain fat. I know a lot about keto macros for rapid fat burning but that's about it.

Still wondering what the skinny is on rest days in between workouts. If I was eating enough, and doing a PM 4 week cycle - should my workout be 2 or 3 days per week?

[Until_It_Sleeps]

A good basic rule is something like 15 to 25 calories per pound of bodyweight; 2g protein per lb, 4g carbs and make up the rest of the calories in fat. Lifting 4-5 days a week should be good; cardio only 2-3 days and 20-30 min each time if you're trying to get bigger. Also, if your idea is to get lean first, keep in mind that strength can drop if you have lower than usual bf, and it's hard to add muscle when you are extra lean as well.

Forget about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. I'm not saying it can't happen; I'm saying at this stage, as a complete beginner, just forget it. If you want to gain muscle, you will put on a little bit of fat. With the right diet it won't be much.

I don't know much about PH, but I have tried a few things. Most are crap and don't work. The ones that do work are often pulled off the market because, well, they worked.

Most people who have been training for years and are in the shape they want will say that a trained body responds better to drugs than an untrained body. I'm guessing that whatever drugs you use, steroids or prohormones or whatever, are going to be a huge waste of money on you. Maybe you'll pack on 15 lbs of water weight and grow some nice boobs. Or you could eat and train like a bodybuilder for a year or two and then decide if you need any extra enhancement, at which point it would have a lot more of a dramatic effect.

I have made the mistake of using heavy drugs and not dieting or training properly, only to find that my body did not change at all and the only thing I did was make someone else a lot of money.

[warmouth]

So, you eat:

- 1100 calories (I'm a short, lightweight female 3 weeks from a show and eat more than you!)
- Two meals a day, including no breakfast
- Next to zero carbs

All the steroids/prohormones in the world won't put an ounce of muscle on you.

I am so glad we are getting a female posting up here on a regular basis! Refreshing. Id like to see what your results are so far from different angles. With your current cycle, I bet it is unreal! Anyways, to the OP. She is absolutley right. You should read up in the diet section on the different plans and even post your goals and your diet up and let those guys straighten it out. You have to eat WAY more to add solid mass, or any mass for that matter. Glad to hear you are heading in the right path. As far as working out goes. If you are a beginner, I wouldnt worry too much about working 1 part this day, 1 that day. Just get inthe habit of working out. I know for alot of people starting out, something like this works well:

Mon - upper body (just a general workout routine. Dont over do it, just get in about 3 sets of 3 exercises of each upperbody group)
Tue-off
Wed- Lower body (same as upper)
Thurs- off
Fri- repeat monday
Sat- off
Sun- repeat Wed

-OR-

Mon- Upper body
Tue- Lower body
Wed- off
Thurs- Upper
Fri- Lower
Sat- off
Sun- off

Just a general workout until you get some mass and strength build up. Usually the 1 or 2 body part days are what more experienced guys do because they want to sharpen what is lackingand can really focus on one or 2 groups. I started the first routine, but quickly went to the 1 or 2 groups daily, usually take weekends off or do a light session of something on sunday afternoon. Start basic so you wont get burned out. Dont start too basic as you mightget bored with it. Switch up and do what youlike to do, and find a good partner to go with. I go at it alone, and it sucks most days, but results are worth the loneliness. Dont touch any compounds just yet. Get your diet inorder to produce the results you are after. Get your training on a good split that works best for you. Challenge yourself and stay motivated. Good luck as too what you do.

[warmouth]

A good basic rule is something like 15 to 25 calories per pound of bodyweight; 2g protein per lb, 4g carbs and make up the rest of the calories in fat. Lifting 4-5 days a week should be good; cardio only 2-3 days and 20-30 min each time if you're trying to get bigger. Also, if your idea is to get lean first, keep in mind that strength can drop if you have lower than usual bf, and it's hard to add muscle when you are extra lean as well.

Forget about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. I'm not saying it can't happen; I'm saying at this stage, as a complete beginner, just forget it. If you want to gain muscle, you will put on a little bit of fat. With the right diet it won't be much.

I don't know much about PH, but I have tried a few things. Most are crap and don't work. The ones that do work are often pulled off the market because, well, they worked.

Most people who have been training for years and are in the shape they want will say that a trained body responds better to drugs than an untrained body. I'm guessing that whatever drugs you use, steroids or prohormones or whatever, are going to be a huge waste of money on you. Maybe you'll pack on 15 lbs of water weight and grow some nice boobs. Or you could eat and train like a bodybuilder for a year or two and then decide if you need any extra enhancement, at which point it would have a lot more of a dramatic effect.

I have made the mistake of using heavy drugs and not dieting or training properly, only to find that my body did not change at all and the only thing I did was make someone else a lot of money.

You are amazing! Stay with us on this forum!

[KETOGUY]

Thank you all for taking your time to talk with me. Much appreciated. I can't believe I just did this as I had a major hard-on for getting these PH's and doing a cycle, but I just cancelled all my PH and PCT orders on amazon.com.

I think I am being too hard on myself while in keto regarding my lack of muscle gains. It makes sense that I am not gaining a whole lot right now based on my one day per week weights regimen, all the extreme cardio and my current diet. The truth is that I actually do look pretty good after all the work I've done so far, just not like you guys. What I am going to do is change my weights regimen around. I will add an additional day or two and will add additional exercises and increase my reps. In a few weeks when I hit my body fat goal, I will change my diet at which point I'm sure I will experience change in my muscle gains. If after that I am still not satisfied, then I will consider doing this.

[warmouth]

Post your goals up in the nutrition forum and even your diet. They will fix you right up. I definitelyneed carbs before a workout. I need alot of them for an intense workout. Good luck!