Second Cycle........NEED YOUR ATTENTION PLZZZZZ

[Parsa]

Hey guys,
This will be my next cycle and im here to hear your advise about it; the lengh, the doses, the compounds and etc.

week
1..................sus 250 mg + boldenone 300 mg + methandione 20 mg
2 //same as the upper week//
3..................sus 500 mg + boldenone 300 mg + methandione 30 mg
4 //same//
5..................sus 500 mg + boldenone 300 mg + cetabon 20 mg + nolvadex 20 mg
6 //same//
7..................sus 250 mg + boldenone 300 mg + cetabon 30 mg
8 //same//
9..................cetabon 30 mg + nolvadex 20 mg
10 //same//
11................cetabon 20 mg + hcg 5000 + priviron
12 //same//
13.................hcg 5000

A detailed diet and essentials vitamins are in check.

THANKS A LOT ;-)

[Capebuffalo]

Stats and what was your 1 st cycle?

[Parsa]

Im 87 kg and 1.80 cm height. Ive benn training for about 3 years...
It was testolic(300 mg per week) + anavar for 8 weeks. and didn't see any special results!!!

[Capebuffalo]

Im 87 kg and 1.80 cm height. Ive benn training for about 3 years...
It was testolic(300 mg per week) + anavar for 8 weeks. and didn't see any special results!!!

what was pct?

[Parsa]

A shot of hcg 5000 and 10 days of nolvadex plus live52 for liver cleaning

[MickeyKnox]

Hey guys,
This will be my next cycle and im here to hear your advise about it; the lengh, the doses, the compounds and etc.

week
1..................sus 250 mg + boldenone 300 mg + methandione 20 mg
2 //same as the upper week//
3..................sus 500 mg + boldenone 300 mg + methandione 30 mg
4 //same//
5..................sus 500 mg + boldenone 300 mg + cetabon 20 mg + nolvadex 20 mg
6 //same//
7..................sus 250 mg + boldenone 300 mg + cetabon 30 mg
8 //same//
9..................cetabon 30 mg + nolvadex 20 mg
10 //same//
11................cetabon 20 mg + hcg 5000 + priviron
12 //same//
13.................hcg 5000

A detailed diet and essentials vitamins are in check.

THANKS A LOT ;-)

Stats and what was your 1 st cycle?

Im 87 kg and 1.80 cm height. Ive benn training for about 3 years...
It was testolic(300 mg per week) + anavar for 8 weeks. and didn't see any special results!!!

A shot of hcg 5000 and 10 days of nolvadex plus live52 for liver cleaning

You shouldn't be using AAS. You're clearly not ready for this. I would continue to read a LOT more and research as much as you can before you hurt yourself.

[Parsa]

Why do you say that?

[MickeyKnox]

Im not being mean bro. But I think you would gain some useful information from these links that would help you create a solid cycle along with a solid PCT.

The Young and Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.UHBeIa7X_fs

Educational Threads

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.TzgpVFF3k34

SERM, AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition

[Parsa]

Thanks mate they are some useful links especially the last one that is about pct.
But...
Whenever i post a thread, bros offer me such links!!! I know they are great and i visit them. And if i could find my answers i would never post a thread!
Please help me only through this thread i have posted...Thanks

[MuscleInk]

Thanks mate they are some useful links especially the last one that is about pct.
But...
Whenever i post a thread, bros offer me such links!!! I know they are great and i visit them. And if i could find my answers i would never post a thread!
Please help me only through this thread i have posted...Thanks

Are you looking to learn and be informed or spoon fed? Plenty of guys in the gym bro that will spoon fed you wrong info. Mickey is trying to do you right by helping you LEARN and make the best choices possible not be some follower like many guys taking bad advice from people who don't know.

[Parsa]

Yes i try to learn and im doing it right now. I want to make the best choice and that's why i've sent this thread.
I wish we could discuss on the cycle above to see which parts are wrong and which parts are OK.

[Parsa]

Nobody's here to help me analyse the cycle above?

[mmgearworks]

Parsa, I see your frustration with being rooted to other threads! But to be honest if you had read those other noob threads 100% you wouldn't have done your 1st cycle that way with a dismay for a PCT and your second cycle would be constructed better... I will map out your whole second cycle for you man, people are here to help, but you gotta give me something to work with... Show some intent from your side that you give a shit about what you about to do to your body!!! Read those threads again + some and re-make your cycle and post it here? Fair deal?

[champ14]

I'm a novice here and even to me that looks all wrong. First off what are your goals???? Why would u take those compounds over others? Why don't u use test c or test e? And what's going on with your pct? From what I have gathered you should use a different form of test as your first cycle and use it alone. Don't stack it. However since u probably will just use 2 compounds not 2. Then hcg should be used 250 twice a week. Ai like arimadex .25 eod more or less. Then pct nolva and clomid for 4 or 5 weeks

[Parsa]

Parsa, I see your frustration with being rooted to other threads! But to be honest if you had read those other noob threads 100% you wouldn't have done your 1st cycle that way with a dismay for a PCT and your second cycle would be constructed better... I will map out your whole second cycle for you man, people are here to help, but you gotta give me something to work with... Show some intent from your side that you give a shit about what you about to do to your body!!! Read those threads again + some and re-make your cycle and post it here? Fair deal?

Look! I'm dumb and i whatever i read them i don't get a shit! This arrangemet comes from my whole effort and intelligence. But if you know a clue about AAS and cycling then come on and correct me...
There was nothing wrong with my first cycle pct. It was under care of a trainer. But if you say it was wrong say your reasosns...

[mmgearworks]

Man, your 1st PCT consisted of an overdose single shot of HCG which would have caused more damage than good + Nolva for 10days which is no where near long enough, the recovery on the Nolva comes from the extended serm suppression which prevents estrogen + related sides and let's the hpta recover fully (put simply). 10days again would have prob caused more damage than good if you look at the action of the science. Oh and liv tabs... No comment! If you blaming it on you being stupid then so be it I will lay something out:

[Parsa]

I'm a novice here and even to me that looks all wrong. First off what are your goals???? Why would u take those compounds over others? Why don't u use test c or test e? And what's going on with your pct? From what I have gathered you should use a different form of test as your first cycle and use it alone. Don't stack it. However since u probably will just use 2 compounds not 2. Then hcg should be used 250 twice a week. Ai like arimadex .25 eod more or less. Then pct nolva and clomid for 4 or 5 weeks

Oh thank god finally sb is here to critisize the cycle only! :-D thank you bro
Im looking for some mass which be considerable at the end of the cycle! My test only cycle had really no results!
Test e and c were also my choices but since they cause more water retenstion i chose sus.
Yes about arimidex and the length of pct you are right. This point will be added to my cycle.
Stacking 3 compound is just for getting better results. Besides, boldenone, methandione( for 4 weeks) and cetabon are not that much strong and androgenic to fear. I think!

[mmgearworks]

You wasting your time on boldenone for that length of time aswel man. Look at the ester, run for a minimum of 12weeks or don't run at all!

[Capebuffalo]

Look! I'm dumb and i whatever i read them i don't get a shit! This arrangemet comes from my whole effort and intelligence. But if you know a clue about AAS and cycling then come on and correct me...
There was nothing wrong with my first cycle pct. It was under care of a trainer. But if you say it was wrong say your reasosns...

If you can't comprehend what you read You do not need to be using aas.
Your trainer is an idiot. your being lazy. Put the time in. Read what we have asked you to
If you don't understand what you have read ask us a question about that. Don't just keep wanting someone to lay a cycle out for you and making excesses.
Would you like to ask a question from the thread the young and steroids? Endocrine system? Htpa?

[Parsa]

Man, your 1st PCT consisted of an overdose single shot of HCG which would have caused more damage than good + Nolva for 10days which is no where near long enough, the recovery on the Nolva comes from the extended serm suppression which prevents estrogen + related sides and let's the hpta recover fully (put simply). 10days again would have prob caused more damage than good if you look at the action of the science. Oh and liv tabs... No comment! If you blaming it on you being stupid then so be it I will lay something out:

Actually i couldn't find hcg 1000 or 500. it was only 5000.
About nolva: you mean 10 days was long?

[Parsa]

You wasting your time on boldenone for that length of time aswel man. Look at the ester, run for a minimum of 12weeks or don't run at all!

You mean cutting sus at 8th week then keep continuing boldenone and cetabon till week 12?
What about uppering the dosage and using that for the same 8 week?

[mmgearworks]

Lets keep along your dosing and compounds but make it correct ok?:

Sust 250mg, 2x per week, week 1-12
EQ 150mg, 2x per week, week1-12
HCG 1000iu, 3x per week, week 13-14
Proviron 50mg, ED, week 13-18
Nolva 40mg, ED, week 15-16
Nolva 20mg, ED, week 17-19

Simple enough... Tried and tested PCT with my clients on low dose cycles. You will enjoy. Can throw in an AI not necessary though and aromasin added to that PCT makes it a power PCT but as is at those cycle doses you should do fine.

[mmgearworks]

And HCG doesn't matter what vial dosage it come it man? Come on? You have to dose it yourself in the slin pins. Draw 1/5th of that 5000iu and what you have? 1000iu? So then? Preload the syringes even if you using Pharma grade amp HGH draw out syringes of 1000iu from that total 5000iu and store them in the fridge in a tub lined with alcohol swabs and you have preloaded 1000iu shots ready for you.

[Parsa]

If you can't comprehend what you read You do not need to be using aas.
Your trainer is an idiot. your being lazy. Put the time in. Read what we have asked you to
If you don't understand what you have read ask us a question about that. Don't just keep wanting someone to lay a cycle out for you and making excesses.
Would you like to ask a question from the thread the young and steroids? Endocrine system? Htpa?

Hey i have checked your posts you are doing the same thing in every where. I don't think that you either know much about AAS. Unless you would say your idea about the cycle and its wrong parts. Like the one my bro mmgearwork is doing. Not just saying go and read go and read! It is not a hard job..So please do not waste your time and mine as well.

[Parsa]

Lets keep along your dosing and compounds but make it correct ok?:

Sust 250mg, 2x per week, week 1-12
EQ 150mg, 2x per week, week1-12
HCG 1000iu, 3x per week, week 13-14
Proviron 50mg, ED, week 13-18
Nolva 40mg, ED, week 15-16
Nolva 20mg, ED, week 17-19

Simple enough... Tried and tested PCT with my clients on low dose cycles. You will enjoy. Can throw in an AI not necessary though and aromasin added to that PCT makes it a power PCT but as is at those cycle doses you should do fine.

And no need for that methandione and cetabon...OK. Thank you ;-)
I will have 4 inj per week. Is it possible to mix up 2 compounds in one syrine and inj it?

[mmgearworks]

Nope 2inject per week, mon and thurs and yes mix the EQ and Sus in same syringe, both oil base! Enjoy bro, nice simple cycle and safe at those doses!

[Parsa]

Yea im gonna run that. thanks bro
Do you have profile on facebook? for further connections

[Capebuffalo]

Hey i have checked your posts you are doing the same thing in every where. I don't think that you either know much about AAS. Unless you would say your idea about the cycle and its wrong parts. Like the one my bro mmgearwork is doing. Not just saying go and read go and read! It is not a hard job..So please do not waste your time and mine as well.

No problem buddy. You got someone to spoon feed you what you were looking for.
Good luck. I would however check why he's getting you to take 1000 iu shots of hcg.
Just because someone Tells you what to do you still need to do your own research.
Again best of luck.

[Parsa]

How about sex when on-cycle?
Does it affect the quality of cycle and is it harmful to testiculars?

[Capebuffalo]

How about sex when on-cycle?
Does it affect the quality of cycle and is it harmful to testiculars?

It called testicular atrophy.

Please do some research.

[mmgearworks]

Cape buffalo, it's a basic guideline don't bash my PCT it's tried and tested over many years as a baseline and until you have concise proof against it then don't leave the door open for scrutiny on my comments... Not attacking you for your post iam just saying... And if you read on the OP's line of questioning you will see that spoon feeding is the only way to establish a safe user? We are here to help? Or not? Iam helping out someone who would be doing it anyway, you can tell by the attitude of my posts iam not 100% happy with this fellows knowledge and approach to his cycle so iam giving him a sound guideline that's better than his base.
I can't divulge personal details man, google my profile name.

[mmgearworks]

Chances of shut down with the laid out cycle are minimal man... Your test is over your potential shut down compound! You've got to learn to feel out your body and adjust test when necessary! Testicular atrophy as CB said - well research it, and yes you on gear so expect it in most cycles but PCT is there for a reason! The size of your balls has nothing to do with sex drive.... Your sex drive should be fine or else up the test if you feel it's taking a slip, the esters you using wont allow for quick correction of the sex drive but because its sust as opposed to a strictly long estered test a change in test dosing will yield an almost immediate Change in sex drive.

[Capebuffalo]

Cape buffalo, it's a basic guideline don't bash my PCT it's tried and tested over many years as a baseline and until you have concise proof against it then don't leave the door open for scrutiny on my comments... Not attacking you for your post iam just saying... And if you read on the OP's line of questioning you will see that spoon feeding is the only way to establish a safe user? We are here to help? Or not? Iam helping out someone who would be doing it anyway, you can tell by the attitude of my posts iam not 100% happy with this fellows knowledge and approach to his cycle so iam giving him a sound guideline that's better than his base.
I can't divulge personal details man, google my profile name.

I have no problem with you or your help. I simply stated he should ask why. My first pct was 5000 ius every 5 days 3 x with clomid and novla.
That is old school. Using it during cycle is more beneficial for a quicker recovery.
My problem is he doesn't want to the the most basic thing, research. I help everyone who is willing to help themselves.
The op has no desire to do that. He should at least ask why. Not be lead blindly.

[mmgearworks]

Very true and apologies for defensive post back... Seemed like an undermine of advise at first glance! Yea I have the same view of the OP's approach as you can see but I would rather have placed a sound and safe plan on his plate than leave him to his own devices! OP will enjoy this plan, it's going to yield good results and will be safe and successful if followed as such.
So good has been done and let's leave it there?

[Parsa]

My friend Capebuffalo, be sure that i search and i have searched and i will be searching. And finally i have come to this cycle! I'm familiar with all the compounds, their standard doses and whatever you think about their specifications and whatever you might find in searching and reading sites. But that's not all. Experience is something that can not be easily searched! That's why i posted this thread. To have your experiences.
As mmgearworks said i'm gonna do that! but with your help i can do it much better and in its safest way.
My friend Capebuffalo, you say this cycle is bullshit... That's Ok and i accept it. But with reasons...please.

[mmgearworks]

I hope CapeBuffalo didn't say its bullshit?
I didn't see that and iam sure CB will agree its a soundly advised cycle... Will take a ton of back and forth and fixed unproven views based solely on experience and not science to prove otherwise.

[Lunk1]

I have done nothing but takena quick glance at the attitude of this thread. Parsa I highly doubt you are a dumb as you have made yourself out to be. My gut tells me you just want the info handed to you instead of actaully learning for yourself. FINE..you have found someone willing to do that.

My prediction is that this cycle will fail due to you lack of drive to do the work. Your diet and training will fail you because you will not work any harder than you did in this thread.

Does MMGearwoks have good knowledge? YES...I am sure he does, but his approach in helping you has failed to give you the ability to know what you are REALLY messing with,
For example..your now planning to run EQ. Do you know why? Do you know what it will do for you are what it won't do for you? Are you aware of it's anobolic rating?

Are you sure his HCG protocal is the best? Will it work? Sure...(most will suggest 250iu X 2 per week).

He is telling you an AI is NOT necessary! I along with MANY others including Vets and Knowledable Members will tell you it is a must!

My point isn't to bash MMgears advise...it's to show you that doing your own research and making an informed decision is much better than just taking the advise of the first person willing to spoon feed it to you!

[mmgearworks]

Fair enough lunk...

AI essential considering the dosing? More issues than good in my eyes, keep on hand? Yea sure but not a set rule to start any cycle which seems to be the trend here lately? Opinions will be opinions. PCT being the most wide open for discussion. I work from knowledge of personally handling clients bloods and experimenting on various protocols. So yea personal view "better" than mine accepted but not proven. Lunk where we can agree is your view on the OP's approach! I have your back their fully and am in full agreement. My view in instances like this (with and OP in this attitude vein) is to deliver some type of usable base that will yield successful results and recovery in a safe way based on tried and tested practice. As opposed to saying **** you go and read which they won't do, they will get scared of and will jump on cycle anyway.
I did not include EQ I took it from the OP's initial cycle in the hope that he had researched a compound he wanted to use and included it as such.

[Capebuffalo]

My friend Capebuffalo, be sure that i search and i have searched and i will be searching. And finally i have come to this cycle! I'm familiar with all the compounds, their standard doses and whatever you think about their specifications and whatever you might find in searching and reading sites. But that's not all. Experience is something that can not be easily searched! That's why i posted this thread. To have your experiences.
As mmgearworks said i'm gonna do that! but with your help i can do it much better and in its safest way.
My friend Capebuffalo, you say this cycle is bullshit... That's Ok and i accept it. But with reasons...please.

Please show me where I said it was bull shit.

Do I wonder why you increase and decrease your sus250 dosage yes I do.
Do I thing EQ is worthless yes I do.
Do I think running 2 orals in one cycle is too much yes.
Do I wonder where your AI is yes I do.
Do I wonder why in week 9 you use novla
Why you are running 5000 ius of hcg in week 11 and 12 yes
Do i wonder wher clomid and novla pct is Yes

[mmgearworks]

Cape Buffalo is talking about your initial plan OP...