Pre-cycle questions, comments and criticism welcome!

[criscofats]

Hi there, I'm a long time reader, and created a profile a while back but never got around to posting. I have been researching for a while because of my interest in running a cycle. I'll list out my stats and a few other facts/details before I get around to posing a few questions for best practice and recommendations.

Stats-

Age: 25
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 175lbs
BF%: 14%
Cycle Exp: Theoretical
PCT Knowledge: Theoretical
Training Exp: 4 years

I used to weigh 235 and dropped down to 160 over a year long peroid. I am finally to the point where I am confident that I use proper form and that my diet is acceptable.

Due to availability I obtained 10ml of sustanon 250, liquid clen, and liquid clomid.

I originally was looking at pinning 1cc 1x/week with the sust, but after reading further I see A LOT of suggestions for 1cc 2x/week minimum. I do have the ability to get another 10ml in order to accomplish this dosing, but was wondering if it was necessary?

I was looking to run the clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off as recommended in most of the guides and administering with a syringe minus the needle starting at 20mcg and working my way up to tolerance, I just need to work out the conversions for this.

I also see many people stacking clomid and nolvadex for their PCT and I was wondering if that was necessary? I plan to run the following for PCT: clomid 18 days after last injection at 300mgs on day 1, 100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.

I am adament about getting my blood work done before cycle for a benchmark and ~month after cycle to see if I have done any harm. I read a thread where the OP asked about what kind of labs to order and was wondering if the following is sufficient or if I should ask for more/less?

Hey doc, give me lab order for Test, esrtrodial and lipids.

Here you go.

Thanks.

I subscribed to the "ALL you need to know about bloodwork" so it would be easier to interpret the results once I get them.

I don't want to sound like a newbie, and I feel like I have done adequate research, but I need an outside viewpoint to know for certain if that is true or not. Please make any recommendations or point me in the right direction. I have no issue with postponing a cycle if it seems to have some unnecessary risks that can be mitigated.

Let me know if you need any more information and I'll do my best to provide!

[Lunk1]

Well you have obviously done SOME homework but your a bit off yet.

The most important point is that if thats you in your AVI your over 14% and need to diet down befor considering a cycle. You honestly need to cut some of that fat and build more muscle before AAS use can optimize your gains.

[criscofats]

Oh my, I didn't even realize that was still my avi until you mentioned it, it's more than a year old. I'll work on getting a more up to date representation of myself.

[criscofats]

Bumping this thread since I am finally back home.

[Bio-Active]

honestly you PCT needs work it could be much better. Don't ever start a cycle without having all PCT in hand. What are goals?

[jpowell]

Hi there, I'm a long time reader, and created a profile a while back but never got around to posting. I have been researching for a while because of my interest in running a cycle. I'll list out my stats and a few other facts/details before I get around to posing a few questions for best practice and recommendations.

Stats-

Age: 25
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 175lbs
BF%: 14%
Cycle Exp: Theoretical
PCT Knowledge: Theoretical
Training Exp: 4 years

I used to weigh 235 and dropped down to 160 over a year long peroid. I am finally to the point where I am confident that I use proper form and that my diet is acceptable.

Due to availability I obtained 10ml of sustanon 250, liquid clen, and liquid clomid.

I originally was looking at pinning 1cc 1x/week with the sust, but after reading further I see A LOT of suggestions for 1cc 2x/week minimum. I do have the ability to get another 10ml in order to accomplish this dosing, but was wondering if it was necessary?depending how long you run--you will most likely need 3.anytype of ai?
I was looking to run the clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off as recommended in most of the guides and administering with a syringe minus the needle starting at 20mcg and working my way up to tolerance, I just need to work out the conversions for this. shop with ar--youll get a syringe, and dosage info on the bottle-

I also see many people stacking clomid and nolvadex for their PCT and I was wondering if that was necessary? I plan to run the following for PCT: clomid 18 days after last injection at 300mgs on day 1, 100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days different variations of pct protocol do exist, ive scene this, and or your more traditional apporach with both 100/100/50/50--40/40/20/20

I am adament about getting my blood work done before cycle for a benchmark and ~month after cycle to see if I have done any harm. I read a thread where the OP asked about what kind of labs to order and was wondering if the following is sufficient or if I should ask for more/less?



I subscribed to the "ALL you need to know about bloodwork" so it would be easier to interpret the results once I get them.

I don't want to sound like a newbie, and I feel like I have done adequate research, but I need an outside viewpoint to know for certain if that is true or not. Please make any recommendations or point me in the right direction. I have no issue with postponing a cycle if it seems to have some unnecessary risks that can be mitigated.

Let me know if you need any more information and I'll do my best to provide!

see bolds

[criscofats]

honestly you PCT needs work it could be much better. Don't ever start a cycle without having all PCT in hand. What are goals?

Goals are strength and size gains whilst minimizing fat gain. I would also like to add 20% to all my lifts if possible and improve my oly numbers

see bolds

I was planning on running for 10 weeks. I do not have an AI on hand yet, I was looking at aromasin if it is necessary, and as often as I see it recommended I am assuming it is.

[Bio-Active]

congrats on the most recent weight loss bro. Make sure your diet is dialed in first. Hit up the nutrition section. After that you will need more gear and a better PCT to keep the gains.

[songdog]

Your Sus should be shot at least 2x a week.And it is a good idea to have extra.Wat would happen if you broke your vial? You need to run a ai like Adex pct is clomid and nova.And you need to post your diet in the diet section.Beacuse if you dont eat right you wont keep anything you gain if you gain at all.

[criscofats]

congrats on the most recent weight loss bro. Make sure your diet is dialed in first. Hit up the nutrition section. After that you will need more gear and a better PCT to keep the gains.

Thanks! My diet is fair, but I'm sure it could use some tweaking and criticism. I'll get something put together for the nutrition gurus to check out soon.

Your Sus should be shot at least 2x a week.And it is a good idea to have extra.Wat would happen if you broke your vial? You need to run a ai like Adex pct is clomid and nova.And you need to post your diet in the diet section.Beacuse if you dont eat right you wont keep anything you gain if you gain at all.

I'll probably get the extra sust then so I can do at least 2x/week. I'm going to go look at the profiles for arimidex and aromasin, but is there a distinct difference in using one over the other, or is it more of a preference?

Thanks on all the input so far, I'll definitely be looking in to getting some nolva to go along with the PCT as well after digging more and these recommendations. Any other input is welcome!

[jpowell]

^^ there we go, everything summed up.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

I think diet has been pinged on enough here so I won't mention to hit the nutrition section.

You were shooting 1cc a week? What is the mg per ml?

[jpowell]

]I think diet has been pinged on enough here so I won't mention to hit the nutrition section.[/B]

You were shooting 1cc a week? What is the mg per ml?

thought you were not going to mention!?

sus 250--one time a week--bad idea

[criscofats]

Luckily I had the forethought to postpone injecting ANYTHING without proper information first, I have not started anything at all. It is Sust250. I don't have anything on hand at the moment either so I have some liberty to add or subtract from the cycle, I should be able to get the nolvadex pretty easily and I'm going to see how hard it will be to get aromasin or arimidex, but I think ar-r sells it?

[senorrebo]

Yes, they sell nolva, aromasin and arimidex.

[criscofats]

Excellent!

So in summary:

DIET

Sust250 pin at least 2x/week for 10 weeks probably M,TH
run AI like aromasin or arimidex based on standard protocols
run clen starting at 20mcg and work up to tolerance and/or do not exceed 120mcg (per clen handbooks)
run a PCT ~18 days or 3 weeks after last pin consisting of nolva and clen for the weeks (~4 weeks) to follow

Anyone have anything else to add or that I'm just straight up missing? I'm obviously new, but I want to make sure I'm on point.

[jpowell]

2x week
adex prefer
cool
14 not 18 with clomid not clen lol--

imagine running pct with clen--b ****ed up.

[criscofats]

2x week
adex prefer
cool
14 not 18 with clomid not clen lol--

imagine running pct with clen--b ****ed up.

Oh wow, nice catch, I knew what I meant but that's a huge typo!

[criscofats]

Just to clarify I want to make sure that what you were referring to in my previous post regarding PCT is the following:

You're suggesting after ~14 days begin PCT

Week Clomid Nolvadex
1 100/day 40/day
2 100/day 40/day
3 50/day 20/day
4 50/day 20/day

Everything else I believe I have a pretty solid grasp on now thanks to everyone help