first time Test E cycle..Nervous but Excited!

[maximus112]

Well let me start off by stating This is my first cycle and I have done an extensive amount of research regaurding aas and I know before even thinking of dabbling in the realm of aas you must have your diet and excersise on point which I do. I will be running a somewhat short cycle of Test E for about 10 weeks and some Var for 7 weeks..I know what you all must be saying that for a first cycle its best to run Test alone so you can see what effects aas will have on your body or how you respond to it seeing that test should always be used as a base of any cycle. But I have made 2 errors in this regaurd such as I have already began anavar for one week at 75mgs a day to test the waters to see how I would respond to a mild aas and let me tell you from the first week of dosing I have noticed alot thus far..I had awesome Pumps in the gym and became alot more vascular, muscles are tight for the better part of the day and strength is increasing quicker than usual. I know some will say thats fairly quick to see results from var seeing that var is a bit on the weak side as far as aas goes and usually see the effects in 3 to 4 weeks but I guess my body responds very well to aas which brings me to my next point. I was originally going to only do an anavar and albuterol so called cycle to lean up a bit and gain some lbm but when I seen how great my body responded to the var I decided to man up and go balls deep and do a real cycle of Test E and also stick with the Var aswell, here is a breif summary of my stats

29 years old
11-14% body fat
5"7
176lbs
bench press 295lb 4x8
leg press 720lb 4x8
squat 315lb 4x10

I know I may get flamed on my cycle and the start of my cycle so I expect this but its all part of the learning experience. I also know that if I where to run a test and var cycle I should of ran the var towards the last 6 to 7 weeks of my cycle but as i satated before I had already started the var about a week and a half already so there is nothing i can do about that now also I will be running a relatively low dose of Test E at 375mg a week I know some will say that running test at only 375mg a week may be on the low side but from eveything i read its best to start out low and and assess the effects or sides and if i can make solid gains at only 375mgs then stay there if not slowly go up.Ive read so many conflicting info as to when tostart an AI durring cycle some say before,first day of test injection or a week after first injection..I was thinking of running aromasin a week after first test injection because i was told that the effects of an ai acts much quicker as test takes time to build up in your system and aromatase to estrogen correct me if im wrong? Here is the cycle I was thinking of running please, any critique or advise you can give me is much appreciated. Aslo as for the mesurments of the Aromasin and nolva I could only get them from my source in either 25mg or 50mg capsules so I tried to split them accordingly.



10 Weeks of Test E 375mgs
4 Weeks of HCG
7 Weeks of Anavar 75mgs

Week#1 Mon-Sun 75mgs Anavar ED
Week#2 Mon-Sun 75mgs Anavar ED
Week#3 Starting Test E
Mon and Thurs Test E 187.5mgs
Mon-Sun Anavar 75mgs ED
Week#4
Mon and Thurs Test E 187.5mgs
Mon-Sun Anavar 75mgs ED
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Week#5
Mon and Thurs Test E 187.5mgs
Mon-Sun Anavar 75mgs ED
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Week#6
Mon and Thurs Test E 187.5mgs
Mon-Sun Anavar 75mgs ED
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Week#7
Mon and Thurs Test E 187.5mgs
Mon-Sun Anavar 75mgs ED
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Week#8
Mon and Thurs Test E 187.5mgs
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Week#9
Mon and Thurs Test E 187.5mgs
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Week#10
Mon and Thurs Test E 187.5mgs
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Wed and Sunday HCG 250iu
Week#11
Mon and Thurs Test E 187.5mgs
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Wed and Sunday HCG 250iu
Week#12
Mon and Thurs Test E 187.5mgs
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Wed and Sunday HCG 250iu
Week#13
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Wed and Sunday HCG 250iu
Week#14
12.5mgs Aromasin EOD
Wed and Sunday HCG 250iu
Week#15-19 PCT Nolva 50/50/25/25 ED and Aromasin 25/25/12.5/6.25 ED

[MuscleInk]

Why wait to run exemestane? I'd start it immediately with your test.
Why aromasin on PCT? Normally an AI is run during a cycle and SERMS post cycle because they function differently.
Test is lower than I'd prefer but you are already aware of this.
Everyone says their diet is on point. Yours may well be, but IMO, if you want maximum benefit from this cycle, post it in the nutrition section for review. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain and if it is on point, the guys will tell you so.

[maximus112]

Hey thanks Muscleink, The reason why I was thinking of running the aromasin a week after first injection is because Ive read from a few forums that if you run an AI before your body has a chance to build higher levels of test or estrogen that you can end up lowering your natural e2 levels too low from strong AI such as extremestane and also from what i read anavar also has the ability to act as a mild ai when used with other compounds which aromatase to estrogen I wouldnt want to over due it with adding the aromasin right away before my body has a chance to produce higher levels of estrogen.. and as for incorperating the aromasin into my pct I also read that while nolva blocks estrogen at the receptor and helps bring back natural test production nolva doesnt actively reduce the amount of estrogen in the body thats why i wanted to use aromasin to reduce some of that estrogen.

[MickeyKnox]

I agree with MI.

I don't believe there is a danger per se with starting Aromasin at the beginning of a long estered cycle because of the time it takes for Aromasin to saturate bloods. Its not fast acting like Adex for instance, which works almost the same day.

And your theory on Aromasin in PCT as compelling as it sounds, is not entirely correct. When you finish your last pin at the end of your long estered cycle, you'll have a waiting period of 14 days when no more exogenous testosterone is introduced. During this time you E2 levels will not be unusually high as your AI will have maintained this on cycle. So when your HPTA is rebooted and working again, your E2 levels will rise with your natural production of testosterone. This rise should not require any interference with any aromatase inhibitors.

I would also include clomid as part of your PCT, and include hCG on-cycle the entire way up to 3-4 days before beginning PCT.

My .02

[Lunk1]

I'm going to suggest you stop your Var and wait on doing anything until you get youself more educated. The fact that your asking these questions and making the comments about starting the Var against better judgment proves that you might not quite be ready.

Nobody EVER wants to hear that but the truth is the truth...your already introducing hormones into your body and your asking abou AI's and PCT's.

[maximus112]

Lunk, No I havent started test yet..Ive only started var for about a week and a half and wanted to run the test on monday..I wasnt asking about an ai on cycle as i know it is important to rune ..I was asked why i wanted to incorperate an ai in my pct..as i stated before Ive read conflicting ideas about running an ai along with nolva durring my pct. this is why Im asking you guys that have had real life experience with such compounds so i can get a better grasp in whether to use on durring pct or not? but i respect and appreciate eveyones opinion and the facts that are presented.

[maximus112]

Thanks mickey, Ive heard that running a cycle of test e for a some what short period of only 10 weeks and at a relatively low dose of 375mgs a week i may not even need hcg as testicular atrophy will not be an issue but is reccomemnded to help assist in recovery in pct and make the transition much smoother and efficient. Is there any reason why using hcg through out the entire cycle is better than using it only durring the last 4 weeks? thanks

[MickeyKnox]

Whoever told you that 375mg of exogenous testosterone per wk will not shut you down, has no business handing out advice. Thats about 4 times or more the average testosterone production of a healthy male.

hCG on cycle if a far better option. I would rather prevent testicular atrophy continuously throughout my cycle than rely on a blast at the end and hope that my testies begin producing testosterone. Not to mention the smoother transition and recovery you already indicted.

[maximus112]

Thanks mickey, see this is where the conflicting stories i mentioned in my post. alot of people say you can and should run a simple Test E or C alone for 10-12 weeks followed by your standard 4 week PCT of clomid and nolva. There was no mention of incorperating hcg to your cycle either durring or after for that matter and Most of the post said the standard first time dosage of test would be 500mgs a twice a week. then there are also those who say 250-375mg will get you reasonable solid gains aswell and its best to start low and go up from there. Now cant I always observe and keep a close eye on any change in size of the testes and not to mention the symptoms of being shut down and administer hcg accordingly if there is no problems then i could wait til the last 4 weeks to start hcg then?

[maximus112]

I meant 500mgs a week at 250mgs X2 a week

[MickeyKnox]

Thanks mickey, see this is where the conflicting stories i mentioned in my post. alot of people say you can and should run a simple Test E or C alone for 10-12 weeks followed by your standard 4 week PCT of clomid and nolva. There was no mention of incorperating hcg to your cycle either durring or after for that matter and Most of the post said the standard first time dosage of test would be 500mgs a twice a week. then there are also those who say 250-375mg will get you reasonable solid gains aswell and its best to start low and go up from there. Now cant I always observe and keep a close eye on any change in size of the testes and not to mention the symptoms of being shut down and administer hcg accordingly if there is no problems then i could wait til the last 4 weeks to start hcg then?

What do you mean MY cycle? What cycle??

The only complete cycles i have written are located in Beginners Cycle thread.. I think you'll find most of your questions answered here..

Most Common Beginners Cycles

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

[maximus112]

sorry mickey, I think you missunderstood me...I in no way said your cycle or any cycle you may have wrote up I was saying from reading numerous threads and forums that there are conflicting first time cycles and how to run them and numerous pct to run some say the nolva/clomid is outdated and some swear by it...here is a link to one such thread i found interesting about a hcg/nolva/aromasin pct..what are your thoughts about it?

[maximus112]

oh snaps i dont think i can post a link..rats

[maximus112]

i guess im to new of a member to post links but it was an article by anthony roberts about PCT on ************.com

[MickeyKnox]

No worries Max.

But keep in mind some of the information regarding PCT is a little outdated. Since inception, there have been huge medical advances both buy the Medical community and by BB'ing community. Discoveries of new chems, SERMS, AI's, and other compounds have also made there way into the AAS protocols. So please keep that in mind when reaching. If you're uncertain, simply ask for confirmation and somewhere will gladly point you in the right direction.

The number one concern in the safe use of AAS is your health.

[MickeyKnox]

i guess im to new of a member to post links but it was an article by anthony roberts about PCT on ************.com

...especially stuff written by that douche bag.

[MuscleInk]

No worries Max.

But keep in mind some of the information regarding PCT is a little outdated. Since inception, there have been huge medical advances both buy the Medical community and by BB'ing community. Discoveries of new chems, SERMS, AI's, and other compounds have also made there way into the AAS protocols. So please keep that in mind when reaching. If you're uncertain, simply ask for confirmation and somewhere will gladly point you in the right direction.

The number one concern in the safe use of AAS is your health.

Check into those threads recommended by Mr. Knox. They are worth the time. The HCG sticky is valuable with a lot of good commentary. Even low doses of exogenous test will cause a negative feedback loop affecting FSH, LH and so on. A short course of HCG will help keep the leydig cells functioning. Many worry about leydig desensitization but if you run a short course of HCG at prescribed doses this should not be a concern.

[MuscleInk]

...especially stuff written by that douche bag.

That's the problem with the Internet. Too many self proclaimed experts posting information that has no empirical proof by someone with no real experience or formal education on subject matter.

I'm not suggesting everything on the Internet lacks integrity, but you need some level of skepticism and not accept everything at face value.

Same holds true of products. I see so many health and fitness claims for a product that are "university tested" and much of it is marketing bs.

[maximus112]

hey thanks mickey, this is exactly why ive spent countless hours,days,and weeks researching both in the medical community boards and aas forums Im trying to learn from others mistakes so i dont make them myself and yes I understand I made a mistake by trying a simple oral first i will admit the thought of aas was intimidating thats why i chose to do what i believed was the safest oral aas avaible yes it was pricey but it was the safest one for my liver..and yes I also bought tudca before i administered my first var pill Im taking 250mgs twice a day of tudca and other additional viamins. Once i seen and felt the effects of the var I decided Ill just man up and run the test aswell Ive done alot of research on other aas compounds and test e or c see to be the safest and easiest for a begginer to cycle. Ill only be 2 weeks into var before my first injection of test e, I know its not ideal but Im going for it and feel i got a strong grasp of knowledge on what to expect, what pitfalls may arise, and how to deal with it...I figure if there is something unusuall that comes up Ill ask you guys on here and hopefully you guys will steer me in the right direction. Thanks

[ppwc1985]

Max don't worry about those other sites, the guys here won't steer you wrong. A lot experience here, and a lot good info. I been to most the other sites and the ppl here seem a lot more knowledgable. All the info you need is here, good luck on the cycle.

[MickeyKnox]

You're welcome and good luck with your cycle.