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Why is it so shunned on? Everyone says its not for beginners or novice bb. It's super strong and has huge sides.. Then 2 lines down someone says its the best thing since sliced bread. What's the deal and why is it such a crazy aas? If it is dosed right and ran with test, hcg, proper ai then what's the problem? Just looking for feed back, not an argument. ?
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Mainly because of the side effects, and not just the visual ones. But it is very efficient. And tren ace isn't as shunned on as much as tren e because it leaves ur system faster if u get unbearable sides.Originally Posted by Psaletta
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Well a proper ai..say dex @.25 eod along with test would be doable? Sides are typically night sweats and insomnia.. But it does the job of cutting and producing lbm with proper diet and training of course right?
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Add hcg @250iu 2x a week..
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What's ur cycle history like?
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Don't forget about ur blood pressure and i may b mistaken about this but I think it ****s with ur lipid profile as well
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I've done test e, prop, dbol. I've lined up sust and npp for my next go around, ai, hcg of course but wanted to really cut down, I got and retained good gains and strength from my last cycle but want a more hardened look . A guy I trust on here told me to hold off on the tren so I will but am just trying to figure out its taboo.
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first of all, adex doesn't do shit for tren. you have to take dostinex, and i would only take pharmacy grade dostinex (cabergoline). secondly, tren isn't for beginners because it is very harsh. i don't know how to explain it, but if i had used it my first cycle, i would be in hell. right now i'm sleeping 3 hours a night and i'm miserable. luckily for me, i'm a part time student, part time employee at a retail store, and i can take long naps on most days. i also just got some pharmacy grade hgh to help with the lack of sleep. i will never do tren again without pharm grade hgh for the entire cycle. the lack of sleep was killing me.
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Well I'll b honest with you, it's pretty strong, and the sides fvckin suck (trust me lol) but I took it a bit prematurely most would say, as I know a few others in here have. Most ppl day to hold off and work your way up to it so u get to know ur body a little better when aas are introduced to it and have time to acquire more aas knowledge.
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What about at a low dosage? Maybe around 75<mg EOD
I am thinking of running it next cycle.
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I was under the impression that tren only caused progesterone gyno which only occurs when there is an abundance if estrogen in the body. And if u nip the conversation of test into estrogen in the ass with an ai off the bat there won't be enough estrogen to cause progesterone gyno
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This is pretty much true. There are a low percentage of ppl who are PRL sensetive that may experience some sides even if E2 is in check..tht's why Caber or Prami shoild be kept on hand. PRL related issues are normaly easy and quick to reverse!
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read the tren sticky at the top of the AAS section. tren causes prolactin gyno. adex won't prevent it.
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There are a number of sides associated with tren that begginers simply are not ready for. The lack of sleep can take a toll, some ppl have issues eating, mostly it's a maturity issue. Tren is known to cause lucid dreams and thoughts that an inexperienced user is not ready for because they can't dis-associate!
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Good to see ya lunk!
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If e2 is kept in check then MOST ppl will never experience excess PRL! Proper use of an AI is the best defense against gyno both E2 and PRL related! It is always a great idea to keep PRL control on hand just in case!
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repost oops!
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very true. tren is killing my appetite. before i started it, i was eating a lot, and now i've been having trouble sleeping, and then yeah the thoughts and shit lol you kinda start thinking you're depressed, but you gotta be able to realize it's the tren.
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One of the best things to do if you are really having trouble with appetite is run test higher...the other option is injectable B12!
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Busy day...great work out...busy night. Hopefully now that momma is outa the shower..even busier
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Haha another side effect of tren :P
Busy day...great work out...busy night. Hopefully now that momma is outa the shower..even busier
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Umm, so how would a low TA dosage treat you? Approximately of course? Or the higher dosages necessary to see/feel results?
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No...best bet is to stay under 400mg EW for least sides. 250-350 is a great starter with plenty of gains. think about the X5 rule at 250mg! 1250mg EW test equivalent!
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Interesting you say a person has to have dostinex. What if i told you that i've ran tren for 8 cycles and only used it once at dosages upwards to 700mgs EW?
OP- Tren effects everything you do. It could start w/ night sweats and lead into insomnia. Couple that w/fatigue and loss of sex drive, and at that point you're confused. Yes, gains will still happen but you're paying the price. Your appetite will diminish as well. The only way i know to combat some of these sides is to keep test dosage rather high to keep our appetite and other things working as they should.
The reason being is if you haven't experienced some of these sides previously(another 19 nor like deca) you might get scared off AAS altogether not being none the wiser. In other words, the more sides you experience before tren, you'll understand tren stands alone and not all AAS is treated the same.
I hope that makes sense.
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i would say you're lucky.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ctively-thread!
he says he would never take tren without 1mg of caber per week.
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This is exactly what I thought since that is the way it is compared in strength Vs. Test.
Shit, 75mg EOD sounds great for a 1st run.
Having insomnia would suck complete ass.
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Something wrong w/that test dose? haha..
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Very informative, yes. But would you agree i'm different than him? Just as you are me?
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yes i would very much agree! but why risk it if you're a first time user? i'm assuming you had no idea you should be taking caber your first cycle of tren, and you accidentally found out you're one of the lucky people that doesn't get prolactin build up from tren.
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Progesterone gyno typically only happens when there is an abundance of estrogen already present, but like lunk said if e2 levels are in check most ppl won't get it. Granted there are some that are sensitive to it. But yeah, I think someone who hasn't ever used it and don't know should have some caber or prank on hand just in case.
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So you're saying everyone should run caber when on tren? At what dosages there, doc?
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OP- have you read Atonimi's thread on tren? If i understand it right then you do not need to use an ai to control E2 as long as you are running a low dose of test as that is the only compound converting into estrogen. I believe the caber is to control progersterone conversion from the tren. I hope this is correct at least from what i've read. Maybe we both need to read his thread a couple more times. I have been looking at tren as well for my next cycle.
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no need to get smart. 0.5mg every 3.5 days.
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Ok, kaptain. Not being smart, you have your ways and i have mine. Personally, i prefer to keep on hand. And i have reasons for that too. Obviously, if it works for you then by all means share. We appreciate the knowledge. That's the great thing about this site. We're all here to learn and help each other. It was the whole "you must" that rubbed me the wrong way. And it's just because i'd never tell someone "they must" do this or that.
anyway, good times.
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Blahahaha.. Wow.. Is the whole forum on tren (insomnia),I fell asleep and woke up to 3 pages. Well thank you for work thoughts and experiences. The only other thing that wasn't really talked about except for a little bit by Keezy was the mind games. Depression?? I've always had a lack of sleep and decreased apatite on aas but its never made me depressed, or does the drug it's self fvck with your head.
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I just read Atomini's thread on tren... Again.. Very interesting read yet contradicting to a few of your perspectives on it. Nevertheless I appreciate the input. Although this aas has a stigma behind it, I believe once I am ready it will be on the top of my list. Cheers guys!
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I hate to throw in more pharmaceuticals into the mix but Tren insomnia sounds a lot like the insomnia I get with my parasomnia (its a bitch had it since I was 16). I don't ever really go into a deep sleep when I have it, it means I don't actually get the rest I need when asleep. They whacked me on something 10mg a night when needed. Its basically an anti depressant that at that low level of dosage helps flip me into a deeper sleep as apposed to 2-3 hour naps but with none of the lasting affects of anti depressants. Just wondering if anyone has tried anything like it with tren insomnia?
Edited name of drug out; merely inquiring if anyone had used something like this.
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Tren is not for beginners, everyone says for its sides but its not really correct!
1. Tren is only UGL, so no pharma grade. You have to know very well your UGL if you don't want infections or poor results.
2. Tren is constant PIP and sore, and ED injections are freakin crazy.
3. you have to rotate and pin veeery often, so discover new muscles to pin
4. you need a good pinning technique and experience, to avoid infections.
5. there are plenty of sides, like allergy, inflammations sore spots, that actually don't have nothing to do with the hormone itself, but only of the UGL quality
so you see, besides the actual hormone sides that are very strong, you have to fight against many other sides and problems, you won't have with pharma grade gear.
that's why, tren is not suited for beginners.
The other problem is, tren gives you very dry gains, so in a test-tren cycle at low doses, you won't experience any size gains... every newbie expects BAAAAAM like dianabol-deca-sust stack. but its not the case with tren-test. so many may end disappointed after all the suffer.
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This thread is funny. It's like tren is the boogieman.
Take tren-a, with a test base, whenever you think you're ready for it and have done your research. I did tren-a 75 EOD for my second cycle, with caber and TRT dosage of test. Only sides I had was cardio taking a hit and sweating more in the gym....that's it. Not everyone gets insomnia, horrible nights sweats, depression, etc.....but that is why you use tren-a. IF you have bad sides and don't think it's worth it...get off. Now I just run tren-e since it's easier and sides are the same for me.
I'd also note that I wouldn't of done tren for 2nd cycle if I wasn't on TRT already since it shuts you down harder than some other drugs.
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