Are you for legalization of Mary Jane

[cherrydrpepper]

Are you for / against / don't care ?

I personally am for legalization. I think one year of prescription drugs, alcohol and tobacco use will kill more people than 100 years of smoking the herb.

[austinite]

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[< <Samson> >]

Hells yeah, y not? Not that it makes you smarter or anything.

[dan991]

Don't give a shit... don't smoke. Whatever everyone else wants.

[dan991]

Are you for / against / don't care ?

I personally am for legalization. I think one year of prescription drugs, alcohol and tobacco use will kill more people than 100 years of smoking the herb.

Oh.. and this should be a poll...

[< <Samson> >]

Whatever everyone else wants.

Is this from one of Obama's recent speeches?

[Hydroponics]

I say besides bein a gateway drug it really does wayyyy less harm than alcohol or tobacco so why not?

[Times Roman]

I am a Libertarian and firmly believe the government has no business telling me and others what we can and cannot do in the confines of our own homes. I don't partake of the leaf personally, but have no issues with others doing so if in their own homes.

the only reservation i have with it is that I've seen many growing up that partook, and it seriously kills ambition, to where most become content at a subsistance level in life, never really amounting to much. So it bothers me when kids get involved in it heavily, and basically trade a career and earning potential for inebriation instead.

But as long as no one gets hurt, why does the government feel it knows better than the citizens it is supposed to work for? Since when does the government feel it can tell us instead of us telling government?

[--->>405<<---]

personally i think it should be legalized. however this topic is borderline against the rules..

[Hoggage_54]

[Edwin23q]

I say besides bein a gateway drug it really does wayyyy less harm than alcohol or tobacco so why not?

Sorry to go sideways here, but;

I say keep it banned, also ban guns and cigarettes, alcohol.

Legalize aas, hgh, peps, hell actually make them free.
While your at it also ban sugar, preservatives, food colouring, hormone fed livestock, and genetically modified foods.

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[JD250]

^^^^^ I agree TR !!!

[Hydroponics]

Some very sucessfull people use it and ive also seen it ruin other people... It all depends on the person but i think its only illegal to make $

[kronik420]

Are you for / against / don't care ?

I personally am for legalization. I think one year of prescription drugs, alcohol and tobacco use will kill more people than 100 years of smoking the herb.

same here

[likelifting]

There are so many people that have a script for it here in CA that it might as well be legal. We passed a law approving MJ for medical use but the Feds stepped in anyway. Not sure they have the manpower to fight it anymore. Plus Colorado and Washington(?) passed a bill legalizing it. It won't be long before its legal.

I've heard people say that have a doctors prescription for it that it's the only thing that helps them sleep and not make them drowsy the next day. Glaucoma patients like it. It helps people with AIDs eat. It helps people with Cancer that are going through Chemo eat. And its natural.

My vote is yes. But there obviously has to be some controls.

[likelifting]

Some very sucessfull people use it and ive also seen it ruin other people... It all depends on the person but i think its only illegal to make $

The last 3 Presidents of the US as an example.

[MuscleInk]

There are so many people that have a script for it here in CA that it might as well be legal. We passed a law approving MJ for medical use but the Feds stepped in anyway. Not sure they have the manpower to fight it anymore. Plus Colorado and Washington(?) passed a bill legalizing it. It won't be long before its legal.

I've heard people say that have a doctors prescription for it that it's the only thing that helps them sleep and not make them drowsy the next day. Glaucoma patients like it. It helps people with AIDs eat. It helps people with Cancer that are going through Chemo eat. And its natural.

My vote is yes. But there obviously has to be some controls.

This thread may get locked for rec talk......but anyway......

WRT to California, the vast majority of dispensaries were operating outside the intended law for medicinal cooperatives, as we're MDs writing scripts and cards.

As far as legalization, I say yes AND tax it. Hell California could certainly use the tax dollars considering most dispensaries were earning $1M or more.

Gateway drug? No. Age and personality have far greater roles in determining abusive behaviors. Younger people who are more susceptible to peer pressure are more likely to experiment with substances. I disagree with the gateway garbage.

I agree with TR and the risk with younger people being more sedentary and amotivated, but again, this has more to with peer pressure, age, and personality.

[likelifting]

This thread may get locked for rec talk......but anyway......

WRT to California, the vast majority of dispensaries were operating outside the intended law for medicinal cooperatives, as we're MDs writing scripts and cards.

As far as legalization, I say yes AND tax it. Hell California could certainly use the tax dollars considering most dispensaries were earning $1M or more.

Gateway drug? No. Age and personality have far greater roles in determining abusive behaviors. Younger people who are more susceptible to peer pressure are more likely to experiment with substances. I disagree with the gateway garbage.

I agree with TR and the risk with younger people being more sedentary and amotivated, but again, this has more to with peer pressure, age, and personality.

Should I edit my post MI? I will. No biggie. I thought if its legal cuz of a script, its not recreational. Let me know.

[JWP806]

Legalize it for sure. If you can buy alcohol/tobacco, why in the hell can't you buy some marijuana.

Anybody against who is against it, please highlight why you think alcohol is legal and marijuana is not.

I feel like we will look back at this time similar to how we look back at prohibition.

[MuscleInk]

Should I edit my post MI? I will. No biggie. I thought if its legal cuz of a script, its not recreational. Let me know.

No worries. Admin or a mod might issue a warning around this discussion because it is a banned substance (for now).

Of all substances, I see this topic as no greater threat than discussions of alcohol consumption, the major difference being there is no prohibition on alcohol like there is for the "bud". A lot of opposition has more to do with public ignorance IMO. As mentioned, it offers medicinal benefits and I don't personally believe the addictive threat to be any greater than that of alcohol.

[likelifting]

No worries. Admin or a mod might issue a warning around this discussion because it is a banned substance (for now).

Of all substances, I see this topic as no greater threat than discussions of alcohol consumption, the major difference being there is no prohibition on alcohol like there is for the "bud". A lot of opposition has more to do with public ignorance IMO. As mentioned, it offers medicinal benefits and I don't personally believe the addictive threat to be any greater than that of alcohol.

K. thx.

[likelifting]

I think one reason it has not been legalized is the Gov't can't figure out how to tax it. How are they going to make money off of it? Its something that everyone can grow in their backyards if/when it becomes legal.

[JWP806]

No worries. Admin or a mod might issue a warning around this discussion because it is a banned substance (for now).

Of all substances, I see this topic as no greater threat than discussions of alcohol consumption, the major difference being there is no prohibition on alcohol like there is for the "bud". A lot of opposition has more to do with public ignorance IMO. As mentioned, it offers medicinal benefits and I don't personally believe the addictive threat to be any greater than that of alcohol.

Absolutely, public ignorance is it. I hate people.

Somehow it has become socially acceptable to get as drunk as you want whether you are in public or private but someone who smokes pot (without a script) is a criminal. It just flat out doesn't make sense.

[kronik420]

I think one reason it has not been legalized is the Gov't can't figure out how to tax it. How are they going to make money off of it? Its something that everyone can grow in their backyards if/when it becomes legal.

not my backyard the soil here is sh!t lol..

[JWP806]

I think one reason it has not been legalized is the Gov't can't figure out how to tax it. How are they going to make money off of it? Its something that everyone can grow in their backyards if/when it becomes legal.

I don't think personal grow houses would make a huge difference to the amount the gov could make off of it. Most people are too lazy. Others just don't have the space and other things of that nature.

At a time where our economy is in the dumps, I don't know why we aren't trying to use marijuana to help us out of the toilet.

[likelifting]

not my backyard the soil here is sh!t lol..

That bad? There's always hydroponics, I'm told.

[kronik420]

That bad? There's always hydroponics, I'm told.

there is

have to get my own crib 1st...

[MuscleInk]

I think one reason it has not been legalized is the Gov't can't figure out how to tax it. How are they going to make money off of it? Its something that everyone can grow in their backyards if/when it becomes legal.

Partially true. Growing its not as easy as you might think and the concentration of the active compound is affected by many variables: quality of soil, growing period, amount of light, etc. It's not impossible, but simply growing it in your yard wouldn't always yield good product. Moreover, people could brew their own beer or press their own wine at home without paying all the taxes at a store, but most don't because its easier and more convenient to simply buy it. Sure, you'll have some who will grow, but most will be too lazy to bother. Lol

I spent some time looking into this. A few years ago I considered opening a dispensary to capture the abnormal profiteering and possibly start a growing operation. I backed out after speaking to several attorneys.

[lovbyts]

I agree with TR also but I can contest 1st hand I know it effects short term memory as well as..... what was I saying?
Yeah ambition. It defiantly makes you lazy but then again it's all on how it's used much like anything else. If it's a weekend thing or social events then I dont see any harm. If it's daily use or like many I know 24/7 then yeah it's going to do some harm just like drinking/getting drunk every day.

We spend more money on the war on drugs than most anything else and it's been a huge waste and a fraud IMO. But it's like everything else the government does or gets involved in, it's bass ackwards.

[< <Samson> >]

I really can't see how booze are better than weed. You can make your won alcohol too you know.

It makes no sense at all.

But, I am very liberal. Why isn't juice legal? It's not like guys would get a DWJ. I can't see how it directly matters. This government BS is just one of those things. The BS rules and idiots that enforce them. As we all see here, we are flipping the law the bird and flying under the radar.

[likelifting]

It varies from county to county in CA as for how many plants you can grow per individual that has a legal script. But I think the very least amount is 6 plants. And as far as the quality, its all starts with the seeds. But it only takes some basic knowledge to get things going if you are legal. I'm told its not hard. Much harder to brew some gear, imo, I'm told. And the potency of the stuff thats out there now, the volume of 6 plants will take of more than 1 person for a year, I'm told.

[MuscleInk]

I agree with TR also but I can contest 1st hand I know it effects short term memory as well as..... what was I saying?
Yeah ambition. It defiantly makes you lazy but then again it's all on how it's used much like anything else. If it's a weekend thing or social events then I dont see any harm. If it's daily use or like many I know 24/7 then yeah it's going to do some harm just like drinking/getting drunk every day.

We spend more money on the war on drugs than most anything else and it's been a huge waste and a fraud IMO. But it's like everything else the government does or gets involved in, it's bass ackwards.

Agreed! I had this conversation with two members last week. Decriminalize MJ and prostitution. The amount of money policing these things are wasteful and ineffective. Redirect the money wasted and profit from taxation. This stuff is happening despite regulations and I highly doubt regulations have any damn impact. Society needs to come out of the dark ages.

[kronik420]

I agree with TR also but I can contest 1st hand I know it effects short term memory as well as..... what was I saying?
Yeah ambition. It defiantly makes you lazy but then again it's all on how it's used much like anything else. If it's a weekend thing or social events then I dont see any harm. If it's daily use or like many I know 24/7 then yeah it's going to do some harm just like drinking/getting drunk every day.

We spend more money on the war on drugs than most anything else and it's been a huge waste and a fraud IMO. But it's like everything else the government does or gets involved in, it's bass ackwards.

lol yea the war on drugs...

drugs won..

[MuscleInk]

It varies from county to county in CA as for how many plants you can grow per individual that has a legal script. But I think the very least amount is 6 plants. And as far as the quality, its all starts with the seeds. But it only takes some basic knowledge to get things going if you are legal. I'm told its not hard. Much harder to brew some gear, imo, I'm told. And the potency of the stuff thats out there now, the volume of 6 plants will take of more than 1 person for a year, I'm told.

Somewhat true....but again there are many variables and if the product is not cultivated and properly dried, it rots and becomes useless.

I've attended several growing seminars and I was actually blown away by the levels of sophistication involved. Larger operations spend a lot of time and money controlling variables to yield the highest quality product. I agree that people cultivating for personal use won't care as much but even the cutting and drying period has to be done properly or the product rots and degrades.

[Nicotine]

I think there is a line between use and abuse. Just like alcohol.

If someone is an adult, they know the risks, they arnt driving high, no kids are being abused or neglected - then I'm ok with it.

Having seen first hand (my grandmother) who benefitted from its use the last years of her life and the quality of life it gave, it was a "blessing". Her battle with deteriorating discs and a battle with cancer, it helped with pain management and appetite.

I'd like to see more focus on getting crap like crack and heroin off the streets.

As much as some people are against cannabis on here, there are people who think what we do is just as bad......

[MuscleInk]

I think there is a line between use and abuse. Just like alcohol.

If someone is an adult, they know the risks, they arnt driving high, no kids are being abused or neglected - then I'm ok with it.

Having seen first hand (my grandmother) who benefitted from its use the last years of her life and the quality of life it gave, it was a "blessing". Her battle with deteriorating discs and a battle with cancer, it helped with pain management and appetite.

I'd like to see more focus on getting crap like crack and heroin off the streets.

As much as some people are against cannabis on here, there are people who think what we do is just as bad......

Agreed. As mentioned, I believe age, psychological maturity, peer pressure, and personality traits have more to do with addiction and abuse potential.

[likelifting]

^ You definitely have to have your shlt together if you want to sell to dispensaries. They bust it open and put under a microscope. They look for mold, bugs, pesticides, etc. Plus you have to know your stuff when it comes to manicuring the buds, I'm told.

But as far as growing, its not hard. You can simply send your dirt in to a lab every 3 weeks, would be plenty, and they'll tell you exactly what your dirt has in it. It takes a little bit to figure out how much if you need to lower your ph, as an example, but its really not rocket science. And out here the sun is your friend. So no problem there. And most peeps buy dirt. We don't just put it in the ground.

[MuscleInk]

^ You definitely have to have your shlt together if you want to sell to dispensaries. They bust it open and put under a microscope. They look for mold, bugs, pesticides, etc. Plus you have to know your stuff when it comes to manicuring the buds, I'm told.

But as far as growing, its not hard. You can simply send your dirt in to a lab every 3 weeks, would be plenty, and they'll tell you exactly what your dirt has in it. It takes a little bit to figure out how much if you need to lower your ph, as an example, but its really not rocket science. And out here the sun is your friend. So no problem there. And most peeps buy dirt. We don't just put it in the ground.

All true. In fact....without going into long boring details, the intent of original law in California was that "dispensaries" we're to be collectives/co-ops where members would be people with genuine medicinal needs and the co-op would collect fees to grow and distribute "medicine" to members only, for treatment purposes. Records would be maintained for in the event of state or federal audits indicating dosages and strains to target specific maladies for each member as well as therapeutic outcomes.

Well we know how well that worked out with dispensaries......which is why they were forced out of business. Actually, many have just become covert.

[likelifting]

It was interesting on this last go around on referendums here in CA to legalize. Growers actually banded together to help vote the law down. If its illegal, price stays high.

[MuscleInk]

It was interesting on this last go around on referendums here in CA to legalize. Growers actually banded together to help vote the law down.

Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. I remain hopeful that in my lifetime this product will be decriminalized.