will npp give me the same sides as deca durablin ?

[hobnob]

lost my wood when i last used deca for about 3 weeks, next cycle i cant afford for that to happen again so thought about running npp with my test for the first 6 weeks of my cycle, as npp is fast acting so out my system qucikly should i be okay and not suffer erectile disfunction as il be running test 4 weeks longer ?

[OnTheSauce]

I haven't had ed, but boner quality has gone down. Im running tpp/npp at 2/1

[MickeyKnox]

lost my wood when i last used deca for about 3 weeks, next cycle i cant afford for that to happen again so thought about running npp with my test for the first 6 weeks of my cycle, as npp is fast acting so out my system qucikly should i be okay and not suffer erectile disfunction as il be running test 4 weeks longer ?

Never mind the 19 nors for your fist cycle. This is not something you should be considering at all.

I responded to your other thread and provided you with a link to the Most Common Beginners Cycles that are setup for you including PCT , hCG, and AI.

[hobnob]

who said its my first cycle ?? i have 3 under my belt

[ironbeck]

The first time I ran deca......I ran it alone? yea ..stupid but didnt know any better, but even then I had no ed problems. I just started a new cycle of test and NPP, so I am also curious to hear some of the different responses to this thread, I am however running a far amount of test with the NPP, and sincerely hope I have no ed issues even at 40 lol.

[hobnob]

im planning on sust 250 eod with NPP 200mg eod 1ml (1amp) of each

[ironbeck]

Sounds like a good amount of both, should be a good cycle, what r your stats? Are u running a AI? and what r your worries of having prolactin issues?

[hobnob]

24
6'
92kg
13%
3 cycles under belt
training 4 years
cycle plan
sust (omnadren) 250mg eod week 1-10
NPP 200mg eod week 1-6
oral winstrol week 6-10 75mg ed
arimidex .25mg eod throughout cycle
PCT 3 weeks after last pin
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
goal is for lean bulk gain about 10llbs muscle mass and last 4 weeks going to go extremely strict on diet and try drop down to below 10% b,f, my only fear is loosing my wood completely when i come off as im off on holiday with the g,f the day after my last sust injection on week 10, off for 10 days get home asnd start my PCT a week after

[ironbeck]

24
6'
92kg
13%
3 cycles under belt
training 4 years
cycle plan
sust (omnadren) 250mg eod week 1-10
NPP 200mg eod week 1-6
oral winstrol week 6-10 75mg ed
arimidex .25mg eod throughout cycle
PCT 3 weeks after last pin
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
goal is for lean bulk gain about 10llbs muscle mass and last 4 weeks going to go extremely strict on diet and try drop down to below 10% b,f, my only fear is loosing my wood completely when i come off as im off on holiday with the g,f the day after my last sust injection on week 10, off for 10 days get home asnd start my PCT a week after

Looks like you have done your research, and even though not perfect...I'm sure ppl will point out stuff like, having caber on hand for prolactin issues, and running Hcg on cycle....Looks good to me and more thourough then a lot of ppl, u should get good results with this cycle....just keep a close eye on your E2 lvs and adjust your AI accordingly if needed....IMO keeping a ggod handle on your E2 lvs is a key component for any cycle..good luck.

[ironbeck]

Oh and running the test longer than a 19-nor is a good way to keep your wood!....but hey during pct everyone experiences problems...just the way it is my friend...hgc blast at end of cycle will help shorten your pct time IMO, this is not the norm on this site, but everyone is different.

[Lunk1]

24
6'
92kg
13%
3 cycles under belt
training 4 years
cycle plan
sust (omnadren) 250mg eod week 1-10
NPP 200mg eod week 1-6
oral winstrol week 6-10 75mg ed
arimidex .25mg eod throughout cycle
PCT 3 weeks after last pin
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
goal is for lean bulk gain about 10llbs muscle mass and last 4 weeks going to go extremely strict on diet and try drop down to below 10% b,f, my only fear is loosing my wood completely when i come off as im off on holiday with the g,f the day after my last sust injection on week 10, off for 10 days get home asnd start my PCT a week after

750 mg EW NPP
825 mg EW Test

???????????????????????????????? why????????????????????????????????????

[ironbeck]

750 mg EW NPP
825 mg EW Test

???????????????????????????????? why????????????????????????????????????

Lunk u forgot the winni

[Lunk1]

Lunk u forgot the winni

The winnie dose isn't so out of line but these doses seem way out of line for the experience an stats of the op!

[ironbeck]

The winnie dose isn't so out of line but these doses seem way out of line for the experience an stats of the op!

I guess...I kinda like these numbers, lol, almost as high as mine lol.

[OnTheSauce]

I guess...I kinda like these numbers, lol, almost as high as mine lol.

Ditto

[fit2bOld]

Ditto

This guy hobnob is a bit of a gamer. Check his post history.

[Lunk1]

Guy..guys...keep in mind the OP obiously has no experience with running a 19nor! We are not talking about experienced users....

[swm1972]

The first time I ran deca......I ran it alone? yea ..stupid but didnt know any better, but even then I had no ed problems. I just started a new cycle of test and NPP, so I am also curious to hear some of the different responses to this thread, I am however running a far amount of test with the NPP, and sincerely hope I have no ed issues even at 40 lol.

I've had similar experiences. I could still perform but didn't have the raging libido normally associated with being on cycle.

[ironbeck]

I've had similar experiences. I could still perform but didn't have the raging libido normally associated with being on cycle.

Really swm....would u say it would of been less, equal, or more so if u had used tren instead of deca? I always have the libido of a young man on tren.

[OnTheSauce]

This guy hobnob is a bit of a gamer. Check his post history.

Oh. Well...

[HitIt]

nandrolone is nandrolone

[warmouth]

I would like to add to this for some other members here. Ive ran test pretty high before, kept e2 in check and everything. But as far as my libido, I have never had it in my life as strong as it is now. I'm running 125mgs of test c and 450mgs deca. Just thoufhr I'd share my recent experience. It has been unbelievable to say the least.

[hobnob]

if nandrolone is nandrolone then tren is tren so you saying it doesnt matter which ester you use for a first time ?

[panntastic]

if nandrolone is nandrolone then tren is tren so you saying it doesnt matter which ester you use for a first time ?

Not really its really choice of the user with 2 factors in mind:
1: injection frequency
Can the user if never done short esters before feel he can jab everyday or at least every other day. It does get tedious and can put them off short esters.

2: half life
As you know tren carrys a lot of possible harsh side effects
With short ester if user feel they cannot deal with the effects it's out of the system quicker.
With long esters you have to sit and ride it out until its completely out of the system.

Both have pros and cons it should be thought out thoroughly by the user before commencing such a harsh anabolic.

[hobnob]

which woulld you all pick for strength gains and muscle mass
NPP 200mg eod OR tren-a 100mg eod ?

[panntastic]

which woulld you all pick for strength gains and muscle mass
NPP 200mg eod OR tren-a 100mg eod ?

I'm a believer tren a should be shot ed and npp eod.
In my personal experiences and research this way round reduces the possibilities of side effects from chosen hormones.

[OnTheSauce]

I'm a believer tren a should be shot ed and npp eod.
In my personal experiences and research this way round reduces the possibilities of side effects from chosen hormones.

I concur

[MickeyKnox]

who said its my first cycle ?? i have 3 under my belt

Must be the fact that youre 21 and perhaps the questions you ask and the way they are worded, lead me to believe this was your first cycle.

This guy hobnob is a bit of a gamer. Check his post history.

Exactly what i did after his i commented in his other thread.

[swm1972]

Really swm....would u say it would of been less, equal, or more so if u had used tren instead of deca? I always have the libido of a young man on tren.

I've only run tren with test. Had libido but felt like I had a more difficult time maintaining an erection. I'd say the lack of libido was due to no test at all. I was on hrt and came off when I started the deca, primarily due to injection volume. I was fairly new and wasn't a big fan of injecting. By the time I got to tren I had gotten over the small phobia stuff.

[ChiveOn]

I've never tried either but tren has a higher anabolic rating. It all depends on what you're looking to do. And if you have libido issues liquid CIA is your friend. I've recently started using it for not only helping libido for my pct because ill be finishing it on my spring break but also as a NO booster for pre workout and pumps

[s.e.bowen]

I've never tried either but tren has a higher anabolic rating. It all depends on what you're looking to do. And if you have libido issues liquid CIA is your friend. I've recently started using it for not only helping libido for my pct because ill be finishing it on my spring break but also as a NO booster for pre workout and pumps

I've also read that it helps with maintaining prostate health.

s.e.bowen

[songdog]

He is another Leather Daddy!

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He is another Leather Daddy!

The LD is still a legend

[Knockout_Power]

I lucked out, no ED from NPP at all @ 450/wk, loved the gains. Never used Deca

[BBJT200]

I'm a believer tren a should be shot ed and npp eod.
In my personal experiences and research this way round reduces the possibilities of side effects from chosen hormones.

I agree. I learned this the hard way. I started my tren cycle pinning ED, got tired of being a human pincushion and went to EoD.
The last few days i've had sides flare up like crazy