More Help Please - I lost it

[Vibrantred94gt]

WTF is wrong with me? I've done cycles in the past and never had an issue with any 'coming off' symptoms. Test E 500 mg week

This time around 9 days after my last shot I crashed hard. Today is day 12 and I couldn't even get out of bed. Just lay there half a sleep. Radio on in the gym downstairs, TV on in the bedroom, dogs barking...... almost like I was comatose.

On day 11 after last shot (I know early, because I was feeling so shitty) I took my clomid/nolva 300mg/20mg. Today 100mg/20mg. But I couldn't stand it any longer. I can't at this time afford to be so fatigued I can't do shit.

I took a shot of 125mg

I was on a 500 wk test E ONLY cycle, with l-dex.

WTF should I do? Now that I've taken another shot should I continue with the clomid/nolva and hope I can mellow out this crash? From what I've read that doesn't sound like a plan.

I have 250mg of test left, my source is 3 days out. But I want to get over this not prolong it.

I have two options -

1)Hoping someone has suggestions on using any variation of what I have left combined with PCT and hope I can not crash and burn so badly

2)Just go to the doctor and tell it all. I was already scheduled for a test/thyroid/etc... blood test but I decided to wait until normal levels returned.

I have never felt this fatigued, weak, fragile, depressed, the list goes on, in my entire life.

[ChiveOn]

300mg of clomid at once? F that noise man that's way too much

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Why would you dose your clomid that high? Of course you're feeling that way.

[Vibrantred94gt]

It's how I've always dosed it. 300/100/50

Can you guys answer the questions about my best way to move forward?

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

It's how I've always dosed it. 300/100/50

Can you guys answer the questions about my best way to move forward?

Yes, stop taking 300mg of clomid.

[MickeyKnox]

If i had to guess based upon your information i would say your E2 is high and you test levels are low - coupled with the fact that your Clomid dose is unusually high.

Thats a cocktail for depression, if i ever saw one.

Im curious about your AI on your cycle. What was your protocol? And can you elaborate on previous use and AI? Is there anything that would indicate that you were NOT dosing enough AI on cycle? OR...perhaps too much? (but i doubt that)

[Vibrantred94gt]

If i had to guess based upon your information i would say your E2 is high and you test levels are low - coupled with the fact that your Clomid dose is unusually high.

Thats a cocktail for depression, if i ever saw one.

Im curious about your AI on your cycle. What was your protocol? And can you elaborate on previous use and AI? Is there anything that would indicate that you were NOT dosing enough AI on cycle? OR...perhaps too much? (but i doubt that)

The symptoms, all of them including depression started 9 days after last shot, 3 days before any PCT- period!

Mickey- In my past cycles I've ran Nolva throughout entire cycle and if I remember right quit the nolva when I started the clomid. Might have carried through with the nolva while taking the clomid though. It's been years so hard to remember exacts.

AI on was l-dex .25mg EOD. continuing after last shot until PCT.

Past cycles were Test E 500 week, Fina (don't remember dose but I home brewed it and it worked!) followed by Winny and I think one other cutting compound. I remember the Winny gave me horrible body acne.

Other cycle I've done was 700 mg test prop for 14 weeks.

Same PCT on those cycles as this one currently.

[MickeyKnox]

The symptoms, all of them including depression started 9 days after last shot, 3 days before any PCT- period!

Mickey- In my past cycles I've ran Nolva throughout entire cycle and if I remember right quit the nolva when I started the clomid. Might have carried through with the nolva while taking the clomid though. It's been years so hard to remember exacts.

AI on was l-dex .25mg EOD. continuing after last shot until PCT.

Past cycles were Test E 500 week, Fina (don't remember dose but I home brewed it and it worked!) followed by Winny and I think one other cutting compound. I remember the Winny gave me horrible body acne.

Other cycle I've done was 700 mg test prop for 14 weeks.

Same PCT on those cycles as this one currently.

So, 500mg/wk Test only, and you ran your AI at same protocol, and .25mg EOD during the ester period for 9 days. Then, at 9 days, you began Clomid @ 300mg/day for one day.

Is this EXACTLY what you did?

Im still not certain what to suggest at this point, but i want to know exactly where you are with your compound/chems.

[Vibrantred94gt]

Wanna make sure I understand what you're saying on the AI- I ran l-dex at .25mg EOD from beginning of cycle until I started PCT, so yes I did run it the same, .25mg EOD from beginning to PCT.

At 9 days I DID NOT start PCT, that's when I crashed and burned. My goal was to wait starting PCT until the 14 day mark, but the crash was getting progressively worse so I started PCT at 12 days after last shot.

300 clomid 20 nolva day 1
100 clomid 20 nolva day 2 <<< this is where I'm at - day 2. Which also has now included a shot of 125mg of the same Test E I used throughout cycle.

Any other clarifications needed please let me know.... I do appreciate you trying to help me out with this.

[MickeyKnox]

Ok.

At this point it would be irresponsible of me not to recommend bloodwork. So, that's what i recommend you do first and foremost.

Having said that, this is what i would do:

I would reduce your Clomid to 50mg for the remainder of your PCT. Increase Nolva to 40mg for the next 5 days, then revert to standard protocol of 20mg for the remaining 3wks.

Do NOT inject any more exogenous Test. This will only prolong and complicate your recovery. Continue to closely monitor known (through past experience and knowledge) visual and felt sides of your E2.

This is the best i can do, at this point bro. Perhaps someone else will offer a different approach. But remember, bloodwork is key!

[Vibrantred94gt]

Ok.

At this point it would be irresponsible of me not to recommend bloodwork. So, that's what i recommend you do first and foremost.

Having said that, this is what i would do:

I would reduce your Clomid to 50mg for the remainder of your PCT. Increase Nolva to 40mg for the next 5 days, then revert to standard protocol of 20mg for the remaining 3wks.

Do NOT inject any more exogenous Test. This will only prolong and complicate your recovery. Continue to closely monitor known (through past experience and knowledge) visual and felt sides of your E2.

This is the best i can do, at this point bro. Perhaps someone else will offer a different approach. But remember, bloodwork is key!

So if I want to keep this from my PCP could I just go to a walk-in clinic and ask for blood work? What blood work do I ask for?

I just took another 20 mg of Nolva so that's 40 for the day and will drop the clomid as recommended. Appreciate the advice.

The l-dex is the only variable from my other cycles which I never used it in them. Is it possible my E2 was too low and when I stopped the test shots that became a problem?

[MickeyKnox]

So if I want to keep this from my PCP could I just go to a walk-in clinic and ask for blood work? What blood work do I ask for?

I just took another 20 mg of Nolva so that's 40 for the day and will drop the clomid as recommended. Appreciate the advice.

The l-dex is the only variable from my other cycles which I never used it in them. Is it possible my E2 was too low and when I stopped the test shots that became a problem?

I dont think your E2 was too low because you were using standard protocols, and 500mg/wk of Test is not a low dose either. So, this is basically a Beginners Cycle that was dosed correctly with test and you AI.

BLOODWORK

Make sure you ask for a sensitive male assay for estradiol along with anything else you think you should get tested.

This is a standard set of tests;

• Total Testosterone
• Bioavailable testosterone (aka Free and Loosely Bound)
• Free Testosterone
• SHBG
• DHT (gel users especially pay attention to this)
• Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
• LH
• FSH
• Prolactin
• Cortisol
• Thyroid Panel (complete)
• CBC
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
• Lipid Panel
• PSA (age dependent)
• IGF-1, IGFBP-3 (if HGH therapy is being considered)
• Vitamin D

[Vibrantred94gt]

Ya I guess it's kind of hard to figure out why I crashed so hard without seeing the blood work. Something new to me though.

I'm hoping the higher dose of nolva will help, assuming that's why you recommend I upped it. I'm going to print out these tests and get them done. Some of them were coming anyways, but since I'm having problems might as well just be honest and get it over with.

Thanks again for your help..... much appreciated.