A surprise reaction from my endro

[mr.slippyfist69]

Just got back from my last endro appointment before this cycle begins to have my last panels done. I laid out my entire protocol for this upcoming cycle including the addition of HCG during the cycle. once hearing this he asked me why I would do such a thing and where I learned of it. I brought up links from this site and let him read. Much to my surprise he was impressed with the knowledge of users from this forum and said between him and the guidance I receive here I am in good hands. Most of the time he's and arrogant prick about subject matter such as this. In fact, he was the guy that talked me out of HCG during my last PCT and I was grateful he did. He made me send him the link so he can show it to other patients he sees that are on an AAS protocol. Not to blow anybody here but, the foundation of information here is rivaled by none anywhere. He agrees 100% that no one should struggle after a cycle to get your system back online and add more stress to an already taxing situation for your body. Thanks guy's for all the insight and I can't wait to start this one and post all my results.

[kelkel]

Very surprising is right! Nice.

[MickeyKnox]

Thats awesome! I wish i could find an Endo like that.

[mr.slippyfist69]

Mickey&Kelkel--- this guy happens to be a friend of the family and I was seeing him years ago for unrelated issues. The only way I can put it simply is I got caught red handed with test levels like a silver back . I told him the truth about what kind of gear I was doing and since then have been 100% honest with him, no reason not to be @ this point. It's comforting to know I have a guy like him in my corner.

[Yosh73]

Just got back from my last endro appointment before this cycle begins to have my last panels done. I laid out my entire protocol for this upcoming cycle including the addition of HCG during the cycle. once hearing this he asked me why I would do such a thing and where I learned of it. I brought up links from this site and let him read. Much to my surprise he was impressed with the knowledge of users from this forum and said between him and the guidance I receive here I am in good hands. Most of the time he's and arrogant prick about subject matter such as this. In fact, he was the guy that talked me out of HCG during my last PCT and I was grateful he did. He made me send him the link so he can show it to other patients he sees that are on an AAS protocol. Not to blow anybody here but, the foundation of information here is rivaled by none anywhere. He agrees 100% that no one should struggle after a cycle to get your system back online and add more stress to an already taxing situation for your body. Thanks guy's for all the insight and I can't wait to start this one and post all my results.

So if your Endo is saying that there shouldn't be any reason for someone not to be able to get their own system back online if they're running shit with the right protocol, then why do all these older members keep telling me i'm an idiot for even contemplating cycling, a simple beginner's test cycle at 400(max i'd shoot) a week..?

[mr.slippyfist69]

how old are you and what are your stats? Is this your first cycle? what are your goals? How many years have you trained? All those questions and more need to be answered before I or anyone else here will entertain that question. Plus, This is only my 4th full blown cycle and I am not the one to ask but I bet if you wait long enough you'll get the same answers you got before. Gentlemen here would not say anything like that without reason and I am assuming something in your stats is what motivated such a reaction from senior members. Do more research.

[mr.slippyfist69]

Mickey I tell you what he's not happy about at all and that's the fact that I've included Dbol in this cycle...He's really anti oral AAS, says they do the most organ damage.

[Yosh73]

how old are you and what are your stats? Is this your first cycle? what are your goals? How many years have you trained? All those questions and more need to be answered before I or anyone else here will entertain that question. Plus, This is only my 4th full blown cycle and I am not the one to ask but I bet if you wait long enough you'll get the same answers you got before. Gentlemen here would not say anything like that without reason and I am assuming something in your stats is what motivated such a reaction from senior members. Do more research.

You may be right here's my stats:

Weight 180-185
Height 6'1''
Bodytype: meso/endo
bf: 15-17%
previous cycles: Epivar: 40/40/40/40/50 with Erase 3 pills a day, tribulus 3 a day, D-aspartic acid 3400mg/day, fenugreek 2 a day ( realize this is also a stupid pct but I wasn't on anything crazy so I felt fine after and I really only kept like 5 lbs of gain).

Anavar 8 weeks, 50/50/50/50/50/50/60/60 PCT 2 drops arimidex for 1-2 months (I realize this isn't much of a PCT but I kept some decent gains, roughly 10 pounds.

I know the PCT isn't exactly right but the Epivar I ran without even doing any research.

The Anavar I did a little research but I didn't know the effects of the compound to be as harsh as people say so I didn't assume I even needed PCT so I took the arim which I had had on hand incase of sides. I took it just cause I had nothing else to PCT with. I feel like a beast still, no labido problems, kept most of my gains. I started the var around 165 and now i'm around 180 with similar BF%.. That was 4 months ago.

[BBJT200]

He agrees 100% that no one should struggle after a cycle to get your system back online and add more stress to an already taxing situation for your body.

@yosh
I believe the point here was that the proper information should be available to people on how to have the best chance at recovery.
He's not stating that 'anyone can recover 100% if its done right'

[warmouth]

You may be right here's my stats:

Weight 180-185
Height 6'1''
Bodytype: meso/endo
bf: 15-17%
previous cycles: Epivar: 40/40/40/40/50 with Erase 3 pills a day, tribulus 3 a day, D-aspartic acid 3400mg/day, fenugreek 2 a day ( realize this is also a stupid pct but I wasn't on anything crazy so I felt fine after and I really only kept like 5 lbs of gain).

Anavar 8 weeks, 50/50/50/50/50/50/60/60 PCT 2 drops arimidex for 1-2 months (I realize this isn't much of a PCT but I kept some decent gains, roughly 10 pounds.

I know the PCT isn't exactly right but the Epivar I ran without even doing any research.

The Anavar I did a little research but I didn't know the effects of the compound to be as harsh as people say so I didn't assume I even needed PCT so I took the arim which I had had on hand incase of sides. I took it just cause I had nothing else to PCT with. I feel like a beast still, no labido problems, kept most of my gains. I started the var around 165 and now i'm around 180 with similar BF%.. That was 4 months ago.

This should answer your previous question.

[mr.slippyfist69]

it was enough of an answer for me and he still didn't post his age..lol

[Yosh73]

Truth. I suppose you're all right, it wouldn't be 100 vs. 1 if it weren't true. I think i'm gonna take a natural route for a while maybe another year at least then see how I feel.

Gonna start hitting up the nutrition department if I need but I do know a fair bit on nutrition and all that cause i'm in Kinesiology it's just I hardly have time to devote to it all with school and all. But when I have time cleared up i'm going to get down to the science of the macros, cals, amount of cardio, and all that shit until I see more results. I'm not far from the results I want, like 2 months I think. And if I'm already thinking of running a cycle for this amount of time and being 100% into it and not slacking a second I might as well get that discipline before hand and see how well I can do then I'll introduce the AAS. maybe another year or two, maybe even three..

[warmouth]

Truth. I suppose you're all right, it wouldn't be 100 vs. 1 if it weren't true. I think i'm gonna take a natural route for a while maybe another year at least then see how I feel.

Gonna start hitting up the nutrition department if I need but I do know a fair bit on nutrition and all that cause i'm in Kinesiology it's just I hardly have time to devote to it all with school and all. But when I have time cleared up i'm going to get down to the science of the macros, cals, amount of cardio, and all that shit until I see more results. I'm not far from the results I want, like 2 months I think. And if I'm already thinking of running a cycle for this amount of time and being 100% into it and not slacking a second I might as well get that discipline before hand and see how well I can do then I'll introduce the AAS. maybe another year or two, maybe even three..

All I can do is hope you are sincere. Good luck with it all.

[kelkel]

how old are you and what are your stats? Is this your first cycle? what are your goals? How many years have you trained? All those questions and more need to be answered before I or anyone else here will entertain that question. Plus, This is only my 4th full blown cycle and I am not the one to ask but I bet if you wait long enough you'll get the same answers you got before. Gentlemen here would not say anything like that without reason and I am assuming something in your stats is what motivated such a reaction from senior members. Do more research.

Very well said!

Mickey I tell you what he's not happy about at all and that's the fact that I've included Dbol in this cycle...He's really anti oral AAS, says they do the most organ damage.

Read this for liver help...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-ORAL-TOXICITY

[sixfootseven]

Thanks for sharing!