What's dbol like?

[Iopu]

Does it produce good gains? Are they in any way maintainable when its ran with test?
I am asking because I was buying pro hormones and I have a whole load of them. But I am wondering if I should just sell them all and stick with dbol.

[EKFitness]

with real test gains can be kept with a good pct and diet after cycling.

pro hormones are a bad idea, as are aas if you don't read more.

[stpete]

What kind of cycle do you have in mind?

[austinite]

What kind of cycle do you have in mind?

Great question. I'll wait for a response.

[Iopu]

Test E. 500mg for 12 weeks. Maybe with dbol as a kicker.

[stpete]

Let's get your goals and all other compounds like HCG, and AI and complete PCT. I'm cool w/it but your diet will dictate most. And what do your workouts look like?

[Iopu]

Let's get your goals and all other compounds like HCG, and AI and complete PCT. I'm cool w/it but your diet will dictate most. And what do your workouts look like?

I am 5"10 and about 160-165lbs. I am just coming off a long cutting cycle and I am gaining naturally right now. So I am not going to jump into a cycle just yet. But this is what I have been looking into.

This is the templete from the beginners cycle thread.

Wk 1-12 TestosteroneEnanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-4 Dianabol (Dbol ) = 30mg/day *half life is 4-6hrs
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg ED MIN - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk - day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 15 to wk 19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

I have been following this workout program lately.

Day 1: Chest/Biceps

Flat Bench Press 4 sets of 6-8 reps
Incline Dumbbell Press 3 sets of 8-10 reps
Cable Crossover 3 sets of 10-12 reps
Alternating Dumbbell Curls 4 sets of 8-10 reps
Seated Preacher Curls 3 sets of 10-12 reps


Day 2: Legs

Squat 3 sets of 8-10 reps
Leg Press 3 sets of 8-10 reps
Leg Extensions 3 sets of 10-12 reps
Leg Curls 3 sets of 10-12 reps

Day 3: Off

Day 4: Shoulders/Traps

Font Military Press 3 6-8 reps
Upright Rows 3 sets of 8-10 reps
Lateral Riases 3 sets of 10-12 reps
Dumbbell Shrugs 3 sets of 8-10 reps

Day 5: Back/Triceps

Pullups 3 sets of 10-12 reps
Bent Over Barbell Rows 3 sets of 6-8 reps
Lat Pulldowns 3 sets of 8-10 reps
Close Grip Bench Press 3 6-8 reps
Tricep Extensions 3 sets of 8-10 reps


Day 6: Off

Day 7: Off

I have not been following a set meal plan but I have been making sure to eat 3000 calories. With almost 300 grams of protein and carbs and about 80 grams of fat.

[t-dogg]

Does it produce good gains? Are they in any way maintainable when its ran with test?
I am asking because I was buying pro hormones and I have a whole load of them. But I am wondering if I should just sell them all and stick with dbol.

The only time I used dbol, I ended up getting bigger and leaner. No bloat, and super strong instinctly.

[stpete]

Cycle looks fine but your diet is probably lacking looking over your sheet.

[ChiveOn]

My only experience with dbol I blew up pretty good. Felt like a tank and kept most of it. Bit it came with some water weight which I definitely shed pretty quickly after I came off

[Iopu]

Cycle looks fine but your diet is probably lacking looking over your sheet.

Yeah it's a work in progress. I've only been on it a week. I have been busy but I must plan a good diet over the weekend.
I am going to base my diet on articles written by Layne Norton.

[Hydroponics]

Dbol is the only thing i did realistically, faine abiut 2olbs and kept about 10 high quality stuff good gains real talk, would prefer over pro-hormones

[bigsiv]

I know a lot of people like dbol but from my own experience with it (and that's plenty) it's a waste of time. Keep able gains are made slowly. Dbol will blow you up no doubt but its mainly water retention nothing more IMO I wouldn't touch it again

[Honkey_Kong]

Are you sure at 160lbs that you're even ready for using gear? I mean it's not like you're even close to what a 5'10 man can easily attain naturally. If I were you, I'd just work on my diet.

[Iopu]

Are you sure at 160lbs that you're even ready for using gear? I mean it's not like you're even close to what a 5'10 man can easily attain naturally. If I were you, I'd just work on my diet.

I will. I cut all the way down from nearly 300 lbs in the last year and a half. I lost a lot of strength in the process. I am currently working on getting back where I used to be.

[Honkey_Kong]

I will. I cut all the way down from nearly 300 lbs in the last year and a half. I lost a lot of strength in the process. I am currently working on getting back where I used to be.

That's an impressive loss there. Good work! It might take some time to put some muscle on, but don't be discouraged.

[Iopu]

That's an impressive loss there. Good work! It might take some time to put some muscle on, but don't be discouraged.

Thank you.

[DAAS]

Maybe a lower dose say like 20-30mg a day for a bit longer maybe 4-5 weeks? would be better than 50mg 3-4weeks

Ive heard so much back and worth about dbol that no clear answer as presented itself. Probably different from person to person. All I would say is keep a AI on hand and be prepared for lethargy. Those 2 seem to be the case no matter what.

[BluPhin]

it seems many people experience considerable water retention on dbol. one common sentiment is that the tremendous gains in size from dbol are lost with the water weight. but the other aspect of dbol that i am interested in is the incredible gains made in strength that most people experience. my question is, after the cycle when most of the mass gains are lost from water, do the strength gains also wane or are they sustainable?

[Iopu]

it seems many people experience considerable water retention on dbol. one common sentiment is that the tremendous gains in size from dbol are lost with the water weight. but the other aspect of dbol that i am interested in is the incredible gains made in strength that most people experience. my question is, after the cycle when most of the mass gains are lost from water, do the strength gains also wane or are they sustainable?

This is what I am wondering too.

[BluPhin]

^^^^^ anyone have any experience with this?

[bigsiv]

See by the time the dbol has ceased the test should have kicked in (if your cycling correctly with a test base) therefore the strength gains are kept. The only time I notice a strength decrease is after cycle when all compounds have finished. Personally strength increases from dbol are nothing compared to Anadrol but that's another compound another story.

[BluPhin]

so in your opinion, it is better to stack anadrol than dbol with test base. why do you suppose dbol seems to be the more common compound for stacking? by more common, i mean, look at the discussion threads and newbie cycle guidelines. they usually include dbol if there is any mention of an oral compound. i'm not doubting your opinion, i'm just trying to decide what is best for next cycle with test/oral stack.

[snowblowjoe]

I was sold oral Tbol turinadex by sciroxx but I might have gotten fukd over. If I was then it was most likely dbol. With that being said I hate it don't touch the stuff there are far better orals out there

[bigsiv]

so in your opinion, it is better to stack anadrol than dbol with test base. why do you suppose dbol seems to be the more common compound for stacking? by more common, i mean, look at the discussion threads and newbie cycle guidelines. they usually include dbol if there is any mention of an oral compound. i'm not doubting your opinion, i'm just trying to decide what is best for next cycle with test/oral stack.

I agree exactly but you hit the nail on the head with newbie cycles. Once you get a little experience with different compounds you learn what they do and more importantly how YOUR body reacts to them

Personally I wouldn't advise oral kick starts to build muscle (strength athletes is a different matter where Anadrol is a great compound) but the reason dbol is talked about a lot is because when newbies start on AAS (I include myself in this) their mindset is to get BIG and QUICK and dbol fits into that category.

I have learned that quick gains are s**t. The gains what last and are easily built on are the slow steady gains. Muscle what's earned through hard work and diet. Again the mindset of the newbie is the steroid gets the muscle and this is where the problem lies.

My advice would be to forget oral kick starts. A much better kick start for a Test E cycle would be Test Prop. That would get blood plasma concentration levels up quickly whilst the test E is kicking in

[snowblowjoe]

Anadrol makes Dianabol it's little bitch

[powerliftmike]

Dbol seems to upset the stomach and overall GI too much with me. You dont get the red blood cell boost and headaches as do with anadrol. Many people compare those so I thought I would mention. For your training: You have a flat & incline bench day, a close grip bench day, and a overhead press day? I wouldnt be doing pressing more than 2 days per week. I dont think you need hCG either. Aromasin is probably overkill, yet for me dbol is one of the most aromatizing/estrogen bloating compounds Ive used. I wouldnt take aromasin with just test--you'll probably just end up messing up your joints and lipid profile.

[BluPhin]

I agree exactly but you hit the nail on the head with newbie cycles. Once you get a little experience with different compounds you learn what they do and more importantly how YOUR body reacts to them

Personally I wouldn't advise oral kick starts to build muscle (strength athletes is a different matter where Anadrol is a great compound) but the reason dbol is talked about a lot is because when newbies start on AAS (I include myself in this) their mindset is to get BIG and QUICK and dbol fits into that category.

I have learned that quick gains are s**t. The gains what last and are easily built on are the slow steady gains. Muscle what's earned through hard work and diet. Again the mindset of the newbie is the steroid gets the muscle and this is where the problem lies.

My advice would be to forget oral kick starts. A much better kick start for a Test E cycle would be Test Prop. That would get blood plasma concentration levels up quickly whilst the test E is kicking in

Duly noted!

[kaiblade]

i loved dbol, sometimes i would use it for 1-2 weeks randomly to look a little fuller and stronger. I do a low dose of 10-20mg though because of a bad past experience and I found that it works perfectly for me. the lower the dose, the lesser the sides, though it does affect my hair alot.

[bigsiv]

i loved dbol, sometimes i would use it for 1-2 weeks randomly to look a little fuller and stronger. I do a low dose of 10-20mg though because of a bad past experience and I found that it works perfectly for me. the lower the dose, the lesser the sides, though it does affect my hair alot.

That's quite disturbing and serious abuse of AAS my friend. You randomly take dbol for 1-2 weeks to look fuller??? That's wrong on so many levels. I'm betting you don't take test with it either? Crazy

[Gaspaco]

i loved dbol, sometimes i would use it for 1-2 weeks randomly to look a little fuller and stronger. I do a low dose of 10-20mg though because of a bad past experience and I found that it works perfectly for me. the lower the dose, the lesser the sides, though it does affect my hair alot.

That is not the smartest thing!