Advice - feeling ill

[wr1g4ty]

Hi first post on here . I have been cycling for nearly a year and I am on my last cycle before having a significant break . I am having 1ml of test 400 , 1ml of deca and 1ml of sus . Once a week in one go . The same day I become ill with hot and cold flushes headache and muscle aches. I have newer had this problem before although this is the most I have been taking

[stpete]

Cycling for a year? And injecting roughly 1000 mgs of stuff might do that to you. Weird though. Why would you use test400 and sust?

Educate before you medicate...

[wr1g4ty]

What's wrong with test and sus ?

[Lunk1]

What's wrong with test and sus ?

What do you think Sust is???

[wr1g4ty]

Testosterone !!!!

[Lunk1]

Testosterone !!!!

So why Test 400 and Sus???

[wr1g4ty]

I'm doing them both to have all types of test ?? In a large volume . Do you think I should drop one ?? - and what should I replace it with ??

[stpete]

Time for Stats....Please.

[wr1g4ty]

82 kgs 20 % 5 10. 34 years old . Only been training 1 year

[Back In Black]

82 kgs 20 % 5 10. 34 years old . Only been training 1 year

Are those figures correct?

Where on earth were you when you started?

You really need to have your diet and training looked at and not think about another cycle for some time. We have the relevant sections.

These guys will sort you out with a pct, have you been running an AI or HCG?

[wr1g4ty]

Are those figures correct?

Where on earth were you when you started?

You really need to have your diet and training looked at and not think about another cycle for some time. We have the relevant sections.

These guys will sort you out with a pct, have you been running an AI or HCG?

70 kg so put on bout 2 stone - not been running an ai or hcg . Training and diet fine

[Back In Black]

Your body fat at the start?

[bigsiv]

No A.i and a gram of gear? Have you had any estrogen related problems over the course of the year?

[wr1g4ty]

Your body fat at the start?

Don't know

[wr1g4ty]

No A.i and a gram of gear? Have you had any estrogen related problems over the course of the year?

No no probs at all until recently the same day as having jab feel real rough - haven't been having 3mls a week until recently - when should I start taking ai an what should I take

[Back In Black]

Bigsiv, can you recommend an appropriate PCT for this year long cycle?

OP you need to stop your cycle and run a PCT and pray that you can get your natural test production back to a decent level and not have to be on TRT for the rest of your life. Whoever has advised you to run a year long cycle needs shooting. Can you get HCG, clomid and nolvadex easy enough?

And you are currently 20% body fat which tells me your diet is far from fine unless being averagely fat is what you were aiming for. Use this guide and tell me what you were at the start and now.

[wr1g4ty]

20 percent.

I have done 4 9 weeks cycles

Cycle 1 - d Bol
Cycle 2 - sust 1ml a week
Cycle 3 - sust 1ml a week and deca 1ml a week
Cycle 4 - deca 1ml a week and tri 1ml a week

Is this really that bad

I am 2 weeks into fith cycle 1ml deca 1ml sust 1ml test

[Back In Black]

20 percent.

I have done 4 9 weeks cycles

Cycle 1 - d Bol
Cycle 2 - sust 1ml a week
Cycle 3 - sust 1ml a week and deca 1ml a week
Cycle 4 - deca 1ml a week and tri 1ml a week

Is this really that bad

I am 2 weeks into fith cycle 1ml deca 1ml sust 1ml test

What length were each cycle and what PCT's did you run and how long did you take off between each?

And 1ml doesn't tell us anything. What is the concentration of all your gear 100mg/ml, 250mg/ml? Something different?

Is it bad? You have potentially shut down your own natural testosterone production for a whole year. It won't start up again just because you stop taking AAS, you will need to try and jump start your own production. The longer you are shut down the less likely you are to return to normal levels.

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Have you had any sore nipples, any growth in that area?

[wr1g4ty]

Each cycle was 9 weeks - had about 2 / 3 week gaps . Ran no pct cycle in fact I don't know anything about it - been badly advised it seems . I have had no itchy nipples and and no growth apart from muscle in that area . I have to say I have been pleased with results as I was I right coat hanger before and have always been real skinny

[bigsiv]

Each cycle was 9 weeks - had about 2 / 3 week gaps . Ran no pct cycle in fact I don't know anything about it - been badly advised it seems . I have had no itchy nipples and and no growth apart from muscle in that area . I have to say I have been pleased with results as I was I right coat hanger before and have always been real skinny

As BIB has stated you need to stop cycling immediately and run a thorough pct. I would recommend this
Week 1-3 Hcg 250ius every other day
Week 4-10 nolvadex 40/20/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50/50/50

The time up to pct has been debated but I would wait the three weeks and let the AAS disperse from your body then start pct. warning you will feel like s**t right the way through and after pct for a fair few weeks. 6 weeks after pct I would get bloodwork and hopefully you haven't done too much damage.

I can't believe you haven't had any estrogen sides quite lucky if I'm honest.

[wr1g4ty]

As BIB has stated you need to stop cycling immediately and run a thorough pct. I would recommend this
Week 1-3 Hcg 250ius every other day
Week 4-10 nolvadex 40/20/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50/50/50

The time up to pct has been debated but I would wait the three weeks and let the AAS disperse from your body then start pct. warning you will feel like s**t right the way through and after pct for a fair few weeks. 6 weeks after pct I would get bloodwork and hopefully you haven't done too much damage.

I can't believe you haven't had any estrogen sides quite lucky if I'm honest.

Def no estrogen sides . What is blood works .

[bigsiv]

Get your blood work checked see were your test levels are, free test, estrogen etc. there is a list kicking about on here somewhere with more detailed samples. Mickey Knox is probably the guy who can explain it better. The reason for blood work is to establish if your test levels are in the normal range or your a TRT candidate

[wr1g4ty]

Is it really that bad can my test levels be permanently effected - I've had no estrogen side effects ?? I am a bit worried now ?

[justo]

Is it really that bad can my test levels be permanently effected - I've had no estrogen side effects ?? I am a bit worried now ?

Well think about it your natural test has been shutdown The whole time you have been cycling . take these lots advise mate....start your pct straight away and then get a blood test done by your doctor and see where your at after

[gymfu]

Yes, it's serious. At your age and this cycle/abuse you will be lucky if you can get back naturally.

I like the PCT advice except I would add 1000ius of hCG the day before you start the clomid and nolvadex.

And there is no way your diet is good if your at 20% and on that much gear for a year. But that is another matter.

[wr1g4ty]

Ok cool ordered my pct and dropping the cycle - well gutted cus the results for me were good but I listen to your advice .
My bollocks haven't gone real small - reduced a bit but not too bad - my mate told me he could hardly find his ( he's Doin a lot more gear than me ) - does that mean my test levels might return ok ???

[bigsiv]

Ok cool ordered my pct and dropping the cycle - well gutted cus the results for me were good but I listen to your advice .
My bollocks haven't gone real small - reduced a bit but not too bad - my mate told me he could hardly find his ( he's Doin a lot more gear than me ) - does that mean my test levels might return ok ???

From all the info you have given I.e
cycling a gram of gear for a year
No estrogen sides
No testicle atrophy
20% bf

I would say your gear is bunk. And you want to hope it is if you have been on that long. Seriously if I'm on cycle I start feeling the sides of estrogen after 5-6 WEEKS. Definitely something up IMO

[wr1g4ty]

I haven't been on a gram a week !! - only the very last cycle which I'm two weeks into ???

[Matt]

Go and get your bloods done, i guarantee your estrogen levels are through the roof, you just don't realise it............

[bigsiv]

I haven't been on a gram a week !! - only the very last cycle which I'm two weeks into ???

My bad mate not trying to get you mad with the exclamation marks!! Lol. Your VERY LAST CYCLE is still your first cycle because you haven't come off yet!! You need to realise you haven't done x amount if cycles in a year you have done 1 LONG CYCLE for a YEAR.!!!!!!!!

[BBJT200]

This is what you need to do:
Get bloodwork now. - Testosterone free+total, sensitive estriadol, shbg/hematocrit, liver enzymes, prolactin, (If i'm missing something, please chime in guys)
Then, start PCT.

1 month later, get the same bloodwork done.

The bloodwork you do now will tell you if your gear is fake.
It will also show you if your estrogen levels are high or not. If you gear is real, your estrogen level is very high right now, which would contribute to your high bodyfat percentage.

I have no doubt you feel ill after a year on cycle. Please include RBC/hematocrit in your bloodwork, it may be high causing you to feel ill. I had a recent scare with high hematocrit (thick blood).

[wr1g4ty]

Where can I get blood works do I just go to the doctor and ask for all the things you said ?? - I live in the uk ?

[Back In Black]

Your doc is unlikely to do it before you start a pct and you will have to tell him why. It will go on your permanent record that could affect current and future insurances.

You can ask your local needle exchange or mail order a test, you'd need somebody to draw blood for that though. Where in the UK are you?

[Matt]

You can go to most needle exchanges in the UK and get your bloods done.....

[wr1g4ty]

Your doc is unlikely to do it before you start a pct and you will have to tell him why. It will go on your permanent record that could affect current and future insurances.

You can ask your local needle exchange or mail order a test, you'd need somebody to draw blood for that though. Where in the UK are you?

Rugby in the midlands

[Back In Black]

As Matt and I said, call your local needle exchange. My local one does and my old local one did/does. They won't take enough details for it to go on your medical record. If your closest one doesn't do it call around. They will do it for free. Otherwise mail order will cost you £100 or more plus finding someone to draw your blood.

[wr1g4ty]

Ok sound I'm on it , thanks for the advice / if my levels get back to normal - will I be able to get back on the gear / obviously with a proper pct .

[bigsiv]

Ok sound I'm on it , thanks for the advice / if my levels get back to normal - will I be able to get back on the gear / obviously with a proper pct .

Going back on should be the least of your worries at the moment. Look after your health man

[wr1g4ty]

Is that a yes or a no if / when the levels back up ??

[bigsiv]

If you get all your levels in the 'normal' range then of corse you can, I'm merely stating its not something I would be concerned with if I was in your position. But hey that's just me good luck on your blood work results