cycle for olympic weightlifitng (tested)

[wheels27]

Looking for feedback on weather or not this is a cycle to take leading up to world qualifiers and with possible testing before and testing for sure at the event.

5 week cycle:

Insulin & Glycogen lodaing : Nutrition based

GH for recovery at 4.2/3.8/3.4/0

Peptide-CJC 1295 2 x 1MG/week with DAC green tea/huperzine (supposed to be an acetylcholenease antagonizer) and horny goat weed

100 MG test suspension every 2nd day being split into 50Mg before and 50 MG post workout

DHEA

dexamethasone

Feedback welcome!!!

[wheels27]

and HCG

[OnTheSauce]

Well suspension would need to be everyday. From what I understand about tested feds, its just a piss test looking at epitest ratio.

[wheels27]

that's the reason my guy telling me to use every 2nd day as in canada they are quite strict on testing and have popped ppl before.

[OnTheSauce]

I compete in non tested feds. Sorry I can't be more help.

[wheels27]

no worries, yeah I'm tested by IOC and lately the injuries are becoming more common and other countries support doping lol

[MistaHaze]

Looking for feedback on weather or not this is a cycle to take leading up to world qualifiers and with possible testing before and testing for sure at the event.

5 week cycle:

Insulin & Glycogen lodaing : Nutrition based

GH for recovery at 4.2/3.8/3.4/0

Peptide-CJC 1295 2 x 1MG/week with DAC green tea/huperzine (supposed to be an acetylcholenease antagonizer) and horny goat weed

100 MG test suspension every 2nd day being split into 50Mg before and 50 MG post workout

DHEA

dexamethasone

Feedback welcome!!!

No disrespect but why not just compete in shows that aren't tested? I mean doesn't seem like there's much integrity in beating guys who are clean... Just my honest opinion

[BBJT200]

No disrespect but why not just compete in shows that aren't tested? I mean doesn't seem like there's much integrity in beating guys who are clean... Just my honest opinion

I agree with this. If you're going to use, just go where other people use and let it be.

[DAAS]

If you're competing their is this thing called glory which makes it enjoyable. DONT cheat. compete in a none tested event.

[gonzo6183]

No disrespect but why not just compete in shows that aren't tested? I mean doesn't seem like there's much integrity in beating guys who are clean... Just my honest opinion

Completely agree, I compete untested. I dont believe there is any place for people that cheat. It completely defeats the purpose of competing in that class. JMO but I would never give advice to someone that doesnt deserve to be in the competition...

[DAAS]

also if youre thinking of using insulin i suggest you head over to a diabetes forum and see how much they all enjoy having it. Cause thats what you're looking at becoming if you mess with that stuff

[Honkey_Kong]

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the IOC test the isotopes of the carbon atoms inside the testosterone molecules? If the ratio between different isotopes isn't the same as in naturally-made, they're going to know you have synthetic testosterone in your body.

Synthetic testosterone will have a higher number of C-13 isotopes than natural testosterone.

So don't think that just because you can beat the epitest:test ratio and use test suspension, that you're going to entirely avoid detection.

For you guys who don't know much about chemistry, atoms are composed of protons, neutrons and electrons. The number of protons determines what kind of element the atom is. The type of isotope is dependent on the number of neutrons are inside the nucleus of the atom. Carbon has 2 stable isotopes, C-12 and C-13.

[600@50]

Looking for feedback on weather or not this is a cycle to take leading up to world qualifiers and with possible testing before and testing for sure at the event.

5 week cycle:

Insulin & Glycogen lodaing : Nutrition based

GH for recovery at 4.2/3.8/3.4/0

Peptide-CJC 1295 2 x 1MG/week with DAC green tea/huperzine (supposed to be an acetylcholenease antagonizer) and horny goat weed

100 MG test suspension every 2nd day being split into 50Mg before and 50 MG post workout

DHEA

dexamethasone

Feedback welcome!!!

I doubt seriously that this will pass an IOC doping test. Maybe your everyday small organization piss test but not a full IOC test. Don't chance it bro.

[DAAS]

I figured he meant a competition where they lift Olympic style weights not a actual Olympic event

I doubt seriously that this will pass an IOC doping test. Maybe your everyday small organization piss test but not a full IOC test. Don't chance it bro.

[wheels27]

For the above posters who recommend competing in non-tested events: that does not exist for the sport of olympic lifting, not if you want to make it to the olympics anyway, I have already beat numerous guys who do "use" and for obvious reasons of possibly being identified I can not put down what my numbers are but I can say that as a clean athlete my back squat is 496lbs for reps of 3 with front squat being reps of 2 with 420 lbs, all at the body weight of less than 190 lbs.

Honkey Kong & 600-50: Thank you for your advice on the matter. How sure are you of the testing methods, and wouldn't they clear within the timeline for the comp?

[wheels27]

I figured he meant a competition where they lift Olympic style weights not a actual Olympic event

no it is for the actual olympic events

[knuckles69]

It's kind of disheartening to know that 'Olympic' athletes dope...

[wheels27]

if you think it's only olympic weightlifters you are sorely mistaken. However the best are still the best and will always be the best regardless. Doping simply allows you to compete more often with greater intensity and frequency as recovery is the key to growth.

[wheels27]

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the IOC test the isotopes of the carbon atoms inside the testosterone molecules? If the ratio between different isotopes isn't the same as in naturally-made, they're going to know you have synthetic testosterone in your body.

Synthetic testosterone will have a higher number of C-13 isotopes than natural testosterone.

So don't think that just because you can beat the epitest:test ratio and use test suspension, that you're going to entirely avoid detection.

For you guys who don't know much about chemistry, atoms are composed of protons, neutrons and electrons. The number of protons determines what kind of element the atom is. The type of isotope is dependent on the number of neutrons are inside the nucleus of the atom. Carbon has 2 stable isotopes, C-12 and C-13.

The normal T/E ratio is 1:1. If the reading reaches 4, a carbon isotope ratio test is performed to determine if the testosterone is natural or store-bought.

“If it’s less than four, they call it negative, even though it may not be negative. But it’s too expensive to do carbon isotope ratio in every case. That’s a bit of a long-standing problem,” Don Catlin, M.D., a member of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) Medical Commission, told GEN from London.

[600@50]

If you can find out what type of testing is going to be done then you can decide on running your cycle or not. I hate to say that in the context of the event being a tested event but it's rather common. If someone knows how the testing will be done then there are always ways to beat the test. I feel if the event is being tested then don't take any performance enhancing substances.

[wheels27]

so would test not clear in 3 days?

[600@50]

Here's the list of substances that are tested for:
http://list.wada-ama.org/

GH and insulin are also on the list.

[largerthannormal]

NO it wont

so would test not clear in 3 days?

[ScotchGuard02]

Test Prop half life is 1-2 days (I've seen 4.5 days on the internet but I think that's wrong Medibolics), so for the sake of argument it's 2 days. In two weeks there will be less than 1% Test Prop in the body (did the calc on spreadsheet). It goes down pretty fast. Let's say that half life of Test suspension is 3 - 4 hours. In 28 hours there will be less than 1% in the blood stream. These are just numbers/theories based on ester half life. Unless one knows exactly what's being tested, I would be on the side of caution.

[wheels27]

Thank you, that is the general information that have gotten, unless you are in the Asian or European programs that support doping of their athletes it is also a chance you take at times with the randomized testing. I am aware of what is banned just not how to beat the system. USA has a tendency to protect their track and field athletes more than weightlifters etc.

[Honkey_Kong]

so would test not clear in 3 days?

Even if the test DID clear within 3 days, your body is going to show signs of use of test. How are you going to explain the fact that your HPTA is shut down and that your test levels are well below an elderly man's? Add that to your CBC level and if they want to further test it, they'll notice changes in your LH and FSH levels.

[songdog]

No disrespect but why not just compete in shows that aren't tested? I mean doesn't seem like there's much integrity in beating guys who are clean... Just my honest opinion

I know for a fact that a lot of guys in those comps juice.They just know how to play the game.

[wheels27]

I know for a fact that a lot of guys in those comps juice.They just know how to play the game.

thank you very much! I can name a few that are quite suspect, with one of the best signs being that they lift 30-40 kg more in training than in comp just saying..... my totals are about 10 kg higher in comp than in training.... just saying.

[nafnlaus]

this is funny, people here oppose PEDs ? there is d.oping in all stages of sports from this and up to undetectable design d.rugs. i have never heard of an weightlifting federation that doesnt drug test, its an olympic sport....

they cant really test for the h.GH and i.nsulin, the h.GH test is a blood test that requers you to have injected within 12 hours so you are not going to so unlucky to fail that unless your name is Pat Mendes. The i.nsulin test is also undeveloped and the only way to do it is very invasive.

what brand and type of i.nsulin are you using?

also, if you want to do more than just make it to the worlds youre going to have to go off charts for some time and use some more effective d.rugs...

[m_donnelly]

Thank you, that is the general information that have gotten, unless you are in the Asian or European programs that support doping of their athletes it is also a chance you take at times with the randomized testing. I am aware of what is banned just not how to beat the system. USA has a tendency to protect their track and field athletes more than weightlifters etc.

Yup.... People don't understand that PEDs are part of the game in international competition. I have a friend who was in the Olympic Nordic Combine "B" team and he's said that EPO and blood doping were just a given. I also trained in the same gym with an elite level shot putter who ran gear consistently.

There's a big difference between competing in a natural bodybuilding show and trying to make the 2016 Olympics.

[wheels27]

this is funny, people here oppose PEDs ? there is d.oping in all stages of sports from this and up to undetectable design d.rugs. i have never heard of an weightlifting federation that doesnt drug test, its an olympic sport....

they cant really test for the h.GH and i.nsulin, the h.GH test is a blood test that requers you to have injected within 12 hours so you are not going to so unlucky to fail that unless your name is Pat Mendes. The i.nsulin test is also undeveloped and the only way to do it is very invasive.

what brand and type of i.nsulin are you using?

also, if you want to do more than just make it to the worlds youre going to have to go off charts for some time and use some more effective d.rugs...

Love the Pat Mendes quote lol and how some people at that gym "left" after he got popped and now train in OTC at Colorado. I'm currently not using the insulin and simply using nutrition to boost it. I am currently at the World championship level (although I'd be the C session)

I'm more curious with the peptides and in particular the CJC and GHRP-2. due to being restricted to weight categories I was considering Prop as well as Anavar. With Oly weightlifters the bigger focus is on recovery and not getting strength as my strength is not the weak spot for me (back squat of 496lbs for 2sets of 3) and more speed is more weakness.

I was also looking at CJC but cannot find any without DAC. The reason I'm looking for without DAC is due to the greatly shorter half life. Number of injections isn't a issue as I work in the medical field and them keeping track of needles is not high on there list.

[nafnlaus]

i think you should skip the peptides other than h.GH, both cjc and ghrh have anabolic properties related to GH stimulation which means increase of igf-1 in your body. The h.GH has the best overall status from those peptides, in terms of effect, side effects and so on. The injection also works globally for your body but the other ones are more effective on injection site.

h.GH - IGF - GHRH - PRP. effectiveness from highest to lowest.

Regarding your thoughts on recovery on strength, you need to squat much more than doubles of 195 if you want to be serious. to get in to the A group you need a 210 front squat for about 4 reps (depends on how good your recovery from the clean/snatch is) so in my opinion you still need strength which leads us to oxandrolone and stanzolol. I havent done that much research on testing and oxandrolone but most of the info ive found suggests you wouldnt fail a test if it was a month after your last tablet. with strength gains maybe up to 10% and keeping the muscles it sounds pretty good also...

if you are thinking about the half life then you should be aware that the insulin increases the time of the half life of IGF substances.

also, if you want to effect your insulin naturally you might want to try multiple short workouts over the day like the bulgarians did. With a workout around 45 mins 3 times a day you are keeping your insulin high, and maintaining the peaks.

you always post pounds, so i guess youre from murrica?

[wheels27]

nope from Canada but i put pounds for ppl to comprehend a bit better lol Yeah I know that strength is still sorely needed but my issue is as soon as I begin to train with heavy squats for more than 2 weeks injuries start to develop which leads me to believe that if I could recover better I would be able to develop better stretches of training resulting in an increase in strength.

What is your background in all of this?

[wheels27]

i think you should skip the peptides other than h.GH, both cjc and ghrh have anabolic properties related to GH stimulation which means increase of igf-1 in your body. The h.GH has the best overall status from those peptides, in terms of effect, side effects and so on. The injection also works globally for your body but the other ones are more effective on injection site.

h.GH - IGF - GHRH - PRP. effectiveness from highest to lowest.

Regarding your thoughts on recovery on strength, you need to squat much more than doubles of 195 if you want to be serious. to get in to the A group you need a 210 front squat for about 4 reps (depends on how good your recovery from the clean/snatch is) so in my opinion you still need strength which leads us to oxandrolone and stanzolol. I havent done that much research on testing and oxandrolone but most of the info ive found suggests you wouldnt fail a test if it was a month after your last tablet. with strength gains maybe up to 10% and keeping the muscles it sounds pretty good also...

if you are thinking about the half life then you should be aware that the insulin increases the time of the half life of IGF substances.

also, if you want to effect your insulin naturally you might want to try multiple short workouts over the day like the bulgarians did. With a workout around 45 mins 3 times a day you are keeping your insulin high, and maintaining the peaks.

you always post pounds, so i guess youre from murrica?

Which than leads to the million dollar question.... where do you get a reliable source of VAR.. Not that I'm asking for a source on here as that would get me banned. But a reliable source is required to ensure for proper detection times.

[Honkey_Kong]

Which than leads to the million dollar question.... where do you get a reliable source of VAR.. Not that I'm asking for a source on here as that would get me banned. But a reliable source is required to ensure for proper detection times.

Well unless you're going to send part of your stash off to a lab to be tested (and you're not), you can't for sure believe any gear is definitely what it claims to be. You can be closer to sure based on how reputable your source is.

In other words, try to find out as much information about a source as possible. If it's a local dealer, ask other people who bought from him or heard about people who bought from him. If it's an online dealer, google the shit out of him and ask willing vets to check the source out. The more homework you do, the better you will be at judging the product the dealer is selling. But that in mind, you'll never know 100%

[nafnlaus]

hey, sorry for the late reply. I used to be a weightlifter also, i am the current national record holder in my category but im injured. I got a disc herniation at age 19, now year and a half later not doing much better i was going to use hGH but since it can not be bought in the country i ended up on this site to read more on oxandrolone.

to be sure of the oxandrolone authenticity buy pharm grade stuff then, there are about 15 legitimate brands other than Pfizers Anavar. or you could try something you think is most likely to be authentic and buy a private drug test to see what you fail on

if none of this is available then why not just make a trip to train in europe ?

btw, how tall are you?

[wheels27]

Sorry for the even more delayed response. I have been taking to a source and looks like I may try a cycle of test suspension mixed with prop and HGH complete with PCT. a bit of a risk as I am a tested athlete but sometimes the risk is worth the reward. I have been considering a trip to Poland, Germany or Greece and currently seeing where my budget is at. I'm 5'7". How old are you currently and I assume you're from USA?

what are your numbers?