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Thread: Beginner questions, gyno adex and tamox

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    Beginner questions, gyno adex and tamox

    Hi, I spent some time reading most of the stickies, I didn't retain all of the information out there so I have some little questions. Maybe I should of waited before doing this or not do it all together but here I am.

    I'm 27
    192 lbs
    5'10"
    12% BF

    I half way through second week of this cycle(4th inj) (from the most comom beginner cycle thread) :

    Option 1. Long Ester

    Wk 1-10 Testosterone Cypionate = 200mg twice/wk e3.5d
    Wk 1-10 Arimidex .25mg EOD – monitor and adjust accordingly.
    Wk 1- 12.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk - day before test injection.

    PCT
    Begins wk 13 to wk 17

    Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/20/20/20


    Last Saturday i began having a sore/tender nipple on the left, just to be sure i wasn't freaking out or whatever I waited to see if it would persist or if everything would stabilize (since i was just at the beginning of my second week). This Monday i still felt it, so I upped my anstrozol to 0.5 eod. I however could not really feel a lump or anything. Today my left nipple is still a bit sore, but I definitely feel a small lump below my nipple that is not present on my right side, nothing yet visible tho. Now, I realize I must be really sensible to this or I have some old puberty Gyno left overs that re-activated.

    Question #1 :
    What protocol should i fallow?

    Most of what I read said to fallow this 40mg ed novaldex 1st week, then 20mg until symptoms disappear kind of protocol while continuing my cycle. Is that correct? or should I keep 20mg ed till the end of my cycle?

    Question #2 a):
    If I administer nolvadex should i stop the anastrozol 0.5 eod?

    From what I read some studies say that administrating both nolva + anastro reduces the efficiency of anastro by up to 30%. Some studies however say the reduction of anastrozol level in blood do not equate a loss of efficiency in oestradiol suppression. Most of the guys around here seem to say not to administer both together.

    From what I understand nolva will bind to my receptors preventing my estro to cause to gyno, but it will not prevent my estro to rise. On the other hand, anastrozol inhibits the rise of the estro.

    Question #2 b):
    If I administer both, even if lets say the initial inhibition of anastrozol of 80% is down to 56% (drop of 30%), wouldn't i benefit from that reduction when I go back to my cycle and stop administering nolvadex when gyno symptoms subsides?

    Question #3 :
    I'm worried of the last 2 weeks of the cycle (if I get there). I see a gap of two weeks (wk 11-12) where no AI is administered (witch from what i understand is to prevent an estro rebound) and where HCG is still administered and where T levels are still high while decreasing.

    Since I'm now pretty sure i'm prone to gyno should i administer nolva or something during this period prior to PCT?

    Question #4 :
    If nothing works, i should stop and go straight to pct?

    Does that mean I begin PCT without waiting 2 weeks to let the esters clear out?

    Thanks a lot in advance guys!

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    Today is Wednesday and this has. Even going on 5 days. I woul stick with the increased adex for a few more days first. Also do you trust the source where you purchased it? Could it be under dosed? After a few days if it does not subside then look to nolva as you stated. If you don't get the results your looking for. Stopping the cycle is an option and I would wait the 2 weeks before going to a full pct course.

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    Your ai could be under dosed and wait a bit for the .5 to kick in. You should not be having these issues so soon. I would not have started hcg till week 3 or so.
    Check back in a week. And if you stop you wait 14 days to.begin pct not 3 weeks.

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    Thanks a lot guys,

    I'll try that! I'll keep you posted on the evolution.

    I don't think my Ai is underdosed, since its pharma Anastrozol 1mg pills in box and sealed in individual compartment, but then again who knows?

    Thanks again

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    Id continue running increased dose ai and add in tamox if it were me personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    Id continue running increased dose ai and add in tamox if it were me personally.
    This ^^^^. Many people are just plain sensitive in that area. The nolva will kick in shortly and kill the sensitivity and hopefully eliminate the gyno as well. Some BW may help clue you in too. You're running a long ester. Up it to 12 weeks if all goes well.
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    You guys would add tamox at 40mg ed week 1, then 20 mg ed until its no more needed or some other protocol?

    If I can manage to control this thing, I'll consider 12 weeks but i'm still far down the road!

    Thanks again for the help.

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    I would run at 20mg if a few weeks. BUt as kel said some ppl are stsrignt gyno prone and others can.run a 500 a week test cycle without no ai and have no.gyno issues. A raised e2 yes but gyno no

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