Cycle Advice

[Steve223]

Hello everyone !

Hi I'm 33age 5'11 130lbs lean mass I look about 140 or 150. I wanted to do a cycle I did some good research but it's a back and fourth that I keep reading but we all know and what we want and what they do to achieve their goals in size when they have a hard time or in a faster way to do it.

I been thru the powders stacks and within 2months gained 9lbs lean muscle mass proof I had 1 meal a day and 6 mile bike ride weight stayed. Short story

I was looking at sustanon 250 or maybe 300ml / deca 200 or maybe 300ml and maybe dbol 15mg but have sustan a little higher than deca by 50 or 100ml. PCT i heard Nov is not good with deca if gyno happens so clod would do and maybe Admir also i heard if you get gyno in the cycle phase use letro. I would pretty much have any other on hand just incase you could list PCT i need. This is my evaluation I know some people will say eat before juice but what does weight have to do with it ? We all should be able to eat naturally to get our gains but we go for this route, fast and easy or that extra boost. Goal 180lb looking 20 to 40lb gains with less water. I'm not trying to look like arnold and I saw a video of a guy who gained a good amount of weight he was 6'1 139lbs he took dbol long weeks and gained 30lbs if he can do it I can Thanks for the feed back

1-12 sust
1-10 deca
1-4 d-bol
13-14 pct
diet 3500 to 4500 clean

[Capebuffalo]

Stack food with food. You have to eat more. You won't keep gains other wise.

That cycle is a train wreck. Please look at beginner cycles.

[MuscleInk]

Hello everyone !

Hi I'm 33age 5'11 130lbs lean mass I look about 140 or 150. I wanted to do a cycle I did some good research but it's a back and fourth that I keep reading but we all know and what we want and what they do to achieve their goals in size when they have a hard time or in a faster way to do it.

I been thru the powders stacks and within 2months gained 9lbs lean muscle mass proof I had 1 meal a day and 6 mile bike ride weight stayed. Short story

I was looking at sustanon 250 or maybe 300ml / deca 200 or maybe 300ml and maybe dbol 15mg but have sustan a little higher than deca by 50 or 100ml. PCT i heard Nov is not good with deca if gyno happens so clod would do and maybe Admir also i heard if you get gyno in the cycle phase use letro. I would pretty much have any other on hand just incase you could list PCT i need. This is my evaluation I know some people will say eat before juice but what does weight have to do with it ? We all should be able to eat naturally to get our gains but we go for this route, fast and easy or that extra boost. Goal 180lb looking 20 to 40lb gains with less water. I'm not trying to look like arnold and I saw a video of a guy who gained a good amount of weight he was 6'1 139lbs he took dbol long weeks and gained 30lbs if he can do it I can Thanks for the feed back

1-12 sust
1-10 deca
1-4 d-bol
13-14 pct
diet 3500 to 4500 clean

Is this your first cycle? If so, start here:

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...look-here.html

Too many compounds in your proposal. You'll need and AI (not "on hand", USE IT), a proper PCT (tamoxifen + clomiphene) and HCG during cycle.

If you're asking how important nutrition is, you aren't ready for gear. Nutrition IS EVERYTHING. Most guys guess at what they need. If you don't eat right with the correct proportions of macros, you won't grow.....and worse you may just put fat on.

You should know your LBM and TDEE so you can get the most out of your cycle. If you haven't put the time into training and nutrition, that's where you START. Steroids work when the conditions (nutrition and training) are right. They aren't magical and won't make up for a lack of nutrition.

[Steve223]

This cycle is kind of a Novice Cycle 2 it's kind of like 2-1 but test c swapped out and me using sustan 250 and it says some beginners come to this first but with more knowledge and I heard test is more armotac than sustan 250 is also safer. I have never lost any big gains except for 2lbs and that was water.

Stack food with food. You have to eat more. You won't keep gains other wise.

That cycle is a train wreck. Please look at beginner cycles.

[Capebuffalo]

Your 5-11 and 130 lbs

I'm 5-11 and have just cut to 190. You aren't eating the way you should.

You kept 5 lbs ? So you were 125? I'm not trying to be a dick but you don't know how to eat

[Steve223]

To Capebuffalo

I was 118 then gained up to 132 then dropped to 131 but then went to 127 so i gained 9lbs in about 1 to 2 month period lean mass. 1 to 2 month just saying because i started kind of middle of the 1st month and kind of stopping in the 2nd month. So maybe 1 month and 1 week, a guy told me why go with a weight gainer when it will be harder to turn to muscle just go with a lean mass and eat a lot you will gain weight. I know if I go with that route it be a lot easier and healthier for me. I do have a high metabolism so I tweak my diet.

[Steve223]

Thank you for the feedback, That cycle was known for good cycle and there's many other beginner cycles.
This is one cycle I mite try it's for beginners for a first cycle-
sustan 1-2 500ml 3-6 250
Deca 1 400 2 300 3 200 4-6 100
prov 7 50 8 25
Tamx 7-8 30

Different sites and information I run into some say deca is good some say test is it's back and fourth they say deca puts on more true muscle mass than others like some test but we all know you have to keep eating and training its harder to lose muscle mass that fast if its true muscle.

[Steve223]

To Muscleink
Thank you for the feedback, That cycle was known for good cycle and there's many other beginner cycles.
This is one cycle I mite try it's for beginners for a first cycle-
sustan 1-2 500ml 3-6 250
Deca 1 400 2 300 3 200 4-6 100
prov 7 50 8 25
Tamx 7-8 30

Different sites and information I run into some say deca is good some say test is it's back and fourth they say deca puts on more true muscle mass than others like some test but we all know you have to keep eating and training its harder to lose muscle mass that fast if its true muscle.

[MuscleInk]

To Capebuffalo

I was 118 then gained up to 132 then dropped to 131 but then went to 127 so i gained 9lbs in about 1 to 2 month period lean mass. 1 to 2 month just saying because i started kind of middle of the 1st month and kind of stopping in the 2nd month. So maybe 1 month and 1 week, a guy told me why go with a weight gainer when it will be harder to turn to muscle just go with a lean mass and eat a lot you will gain weight. I know if I go with that route it be a lot easier and healthier for me. I do have a high metabolism so I tweak my diet.

Correct, weight gainers are NOT what you want or need. Read the labels on those pails of crap. Loaded with sugars and sweeteners. The only thing you'll gain is a lot of fat that you'll be trying to lose later.

It all comes down to diet. You need to eat in excess of your TDEE every day consistently if you want to gain weight.

[MuscleInk]

To Muscleink
Thank you for the feedback, That cycle was known for good cycle and there's many other beginner cycles.
This is one cycle I mite try it's for beginners for a first cycle-
sustan 1-2 500ml 3-6 250
Deca 1 400 2 300 3 200 4-6 100
prov 7 50 8 25
Tamx 7-8 30

Different sites and information I run into some say deca is good some say test is it's back and fourth they say deca puts on more true muscle mass than others like some test but we all know you have to keep eating and training its harder to lose muscle mass that fast if its true muscle.

You need to run test and test alone. Either a short ester such as tprop or one of the longer esters such as cypionate or enthanate. You don't need sust or deca or proviron now. Sust is a blend of various esters. It WILL aromatize. Second, it will be harder to dose adjust in the event of side effects because any dose adjustment will affect all esters, not just one.

Again, I highly recommend you post your diet for review and discussion. I agree with Cape, you aren't eating nearly enough food. It's that simple. Running gear with a bad nutrition plan will be a failure and waste of time.

[Steve223]

Reseason I said sustan because of less shut down but test would be more stable less needles but like you said different compounds in sustan. Deca I would use for joint pain mostly in wrists, elbows, shoulder pain and to keep my gains. My diet 2-4 eggs breakfast 1 scoop protein shake 25g 130 cal, 2 sugar than 30 to 45min rest pre workout drink than Ill hit the gym 1hr to 2hrs maybe but 1hr definitely. Recon right after a workout than lunch 4 steamed chicken breast steamed broccoli bake potato 2 scoops of protein drink 50g 260cals 4 sugar. Steak potato 2 scoops of mass 100g 610 cals 28 sugar. Sometime Ill eat fish I consume 3500 cals in a day but sometimes that off set because of my high metablisom and bike cardo 10 miles 2wice week sometimes I would splurge and eat 3 double cheesburgers two 4 piece nuggets or 2 double whoppers with cheese ketchup small frie. My stomach to small for all that food some say I have a 12 pack but now i been off training for bit so you can still see my six pack some. I know I have made good gains some people can't eve gain that much lean mass in a month or in a year everyone is different. I gained muscle mass not fat i know i can gain 30 or 60 pounds easliy with a dirty bulk or 40 40 20 good bulk. A amount of test goes by 2mg lb or kg to get the right amount of test and I'm thinking of deca 100mg week or 200 for pain. How do you think with that cycle

You need to run test and test alone. Either a short ester such as tprop or one of the longer esters such as cypionate or enthanate. You don't need sust or deca or proviron now. Sust is a blend of various esters. It WILL aromatize. Second, it will be harder to dose adjust in the event of side effects because any dose adjustment will affect all esters, not just one.

Again, I highly recommend you post your diet for review and discussion. I agree with Cape, you aren't eating nearly enough food. It's that simple. Running gear with a bad nutrition plan will be a failure and waste of time.

[Steve223]

I guess no feedback hmm

[Capebuffalo]

Pay attention your almost there. You don't need to cycle but you will so

Test only get an AI hcg and lay out your pct.
there is no such thing as less shut down. It's like being pregnant. You are or your not. I've never seen a girl a little pregnant.
Stop riding that damn bike. Eat eat and eat.

[Steve223]

Could one of you set a chart cycle for me in order by weeks of test, Ai an pct ? I have the diet thing down, I just need to add some more different dishes because eating the same thing will get you sick and tired of it which can cause problems in your diet. But yeah the bike thing helps a lot but Ill cut back on some miles it's just eating to much protein but my metab make things weird I can eat a lot trust me I usually eat a whole large to myself and 2 slices out the other large so I am greedy sometimes

Thanks for the feed back. Oh and another thing how do you feel about a dbol only cycle 10mg a day for about 10 or 12 weeks with a pct at the end I saw a video about this he weighed 139 and end up weighing 178 with little loss he kept pretty much all of it. I thought about it but i love my liver I don't think I will drink but is it okay to have some drinking on this cycle the test cycle ? I'm pretty much going in a camp phaze and a lot of woman will be around and partying too. but i'm chill on the booze but I mite slip lol anyways thanks for the help broz

[Whiteboyy0]

You're a little light to be cycling

[Steve223]

In patients they use deca to help maintain or gain weight in HIV patients, everyone knows steroids make you put on weight or bloated and weight in long term use even off an inhaler.

Where those it says you have to be a certain weight to do a cycle or not ? You can't judge someone by weight everyone can grow naturally we just use them for quicker results.

Don't comment if you can't give good advice or something relevant, I'm not trying being rude but it's just picking what you're doing. I know no one is perfect but chill thank you

You're a little light to be cycling

[Chx beach 79]

Reseason I said sustan because of less shut down but test would be more stable less needles but like you said different compounds in sustan. Deca I would use for joint pain mostly in wrists, elbows, shoulder pain and to keep my gains. My diet 2-4 eggs breakfast 1 scoop protein shake 25g 130 cal, 2 sugar than 30 to 45min rest pre workout drink than Ill hit the gym 1hr to 2hrs maybe but 1hr definitely. Recon right after a workout than lunch 4 steamed chicken breast steamed broccoli bake potato 2 scoops of protein drink 50g 260cals 4 sugar. Steak potato 2 scoops of mass 100g 610 cals 28 sugar. Sometime Ill eat fish I consume 3500 cals in a day but sometimes that off set because of my high metablisom and bike cardo 10 miles 2wice week sometimes I would splurge and eat 3 double cheesburgers two 4 piece nuggets or 2 double whoppers with cheese ketchup small frie. My stomach to small for all that food some say I have a 12 pack but now i been off training for bit so you can still see my six pack some. I know I have made good gains some people can't eve gain that much lean mass in a month or in a year everyone is different. I gained muscle mass not fat i know i can gain 30 or 60 pounds easliy with a dirty bulk or 40 40 20 good bulk. A amount of test goes by 2mg lb or kg to get the right amount of test and I'm thinking of deca 100mg week or 200 for pain. How do you think with that cycle

Any kind of test is going to shut you down... It doesn't matter what kind... That's why you do pct

[Capebuffalo]

Damn we are losing him again. Buddy test only is test only nothing else

Research dosages for novla and clomid.
Research why hcg is so important

[MakeEveryRepCount]

"everyone can grow naturally we just use them for quicker results." (Sorry, hotel internet sucks and won't let me quote properly)

Not true. Most folks that use steroids properly do it to break past their natural limit, which you are nowhere close to at your bodyweight and height. How long have you been training? If you eat enough to actually gain size on your cycle and haven't been training for at least a few years, you could put on muscle size so fast the tendons and ligaments can't keep up and you tear a muscle clean off the bone.

I agree with Cape, you need to eat more and gain more natural size before hopping on a cycle to gain muscle in a 'faster way'.

[hughjarms]

Use Test E or C at 750mg/w
Stack with deca 400mg/w
and DBOL at 50mg ED.

Also, you should eat at 6000 calories a day, i saw it in a frank yang video

[Steve223]

I know I just said that because a lot of y'all keep just saying just eat, you are being a hypocrite there no point of someone 180lbs or 230 something doing steroids when you can do natural people do it because they want faster results or to pass that point you can't say natural because you still could, it just take you longer to achieve where steroids would get you there faster.

You should say go natural but if not take your time to build your muscle too much can hurt you in a long run. There's a guy who was 6'1 139lbs no frame at all took dbol 10mg a day since I think 12 weeks he gained 30lbs lost 2 or 3lbs so. He does a small home documentary video called how steriods saved my life. So when you guys babble and to see his video it kind of put some of ya'll ashame even talking about cycles but I appreciate the comments we can all learn from one another.

"everyone can grow naturally we just use them for quicker results." (Sorry, hotel internet sucks and won't let me quote properly)

Not true. Most folks that use steroids properly do it to break past their natural limit, which you are nowhere close to at your bodyweight and height. How long have you been training? If you eat enough to actually gain size on your cycle and haven't been training for at least a few years, you could put on muscle size so fast the tendons and ligaments can't keep up and you tear a muscle clean off the bone.

I agree with Cape, you need to eat more and gain more natural size before hopping on a cycle to gain muscle in a 'faster way'.

[Steve223]

Is this the hulk stack ? lol

Use Test E or C at 750mg/w
Stack with deca 400mg/w
and DBOL at 50mg ED.

Also, you should eat at 6000 calories a day, i saw it in a frank yang video

[crazy mike]

OP sorry from all of your Q's it is apparent you are listening to the wrong people and not doing enough research. It seem again by your Q's you don't understand about the use of AI's and how Gyno comes about. What is going to happen with your E2 with these unneeded stacks.

You are getting great input and Q's , with dialog from MI and Cape and a few who know what's the truth. What I just said is not to put you down but it is what I clearly see. And with each answer from these guys you comeback with a more argumentative answer.
I speak to you from years of experience, real experience and witnessing and reading. Check my profile.

So I advice you to listen on here more and read up on what they've told you. Good luck ...crazy mike

[btrizzyb]

5'11" and 130 lbs? Did I read that wrong? Is that even possible? LoL

[Fcarey32]

I'm getting the stench of a troll...

[MakeEveryRepCount]

I know I just said that because a lot of y'all keep just saying just eat, you are being a hypocrite there no point of someone 180lbs or 230 something doing steroids when you can do natural people do it because they want faster results or to pass that point you can't say natural because you still could, it just take you longer to achieve where steroids would get you there faster.

You should say go natural but if not take your time to build your muscle too much can hurt you in a long run. There's a guy who was 6'1 139lbs no frame at all took dbol 10mg a day since I think 12 weeks he gained 30lbs lost 2 or 3lbs so. He does a small home documentary video called how steriods saved my life. So when you guys babble and to see his video it kind of put some of ya'll ashame even talking about cycles but I appreciate the comments we can all learn from one another.

OP, you said you gained 9 lbs of lean mass in 2 months (60 days). In the videos you mentioned (yes, I watched them), the guy in the video goes from 138 at 6.8% (128.6 lean body mass) to 165 at 14% (141.9 lbm) in 84 days. That's 13 lbs lbm in 3 months. He improves his diet and, from what it sounded like, started lifting! He got gains at the exact rate you mentioned you got naturally...

Furthermore, how do you plan on 'taking your time' to gain 40 lbs of lean mass over the course of one 12 week cycle? They're mutually exclusive.

My overall point is, you'll be much safer to have a better jumping off point. Listen to the veterans!

[Steve223]

If many paquio did'it with 30lbs in a year i can lol I'm more built than that guy I don't look 130lbs but i'm and that guy weight was about 176lbs and he looked lean not fat. I say that 9lbs was more upper body than lower body and it was less than 2months to be exact. My only reason why I don't want to do dbol cause of liver but i mite.

Two weeks ago I had blood work done and the doctor said I'm healthy liver is fine, etc. I do research and saw some cycle charts I'm on the right path and doing what the boards say and ask questions. You guys say test other people say other things. I will do a cycle but no time soon maybe in this year or next.

OP, you said you gained 9 lbs of lean mass in 2 months (60 days). In the videos you mentioned (yes, I watched them), the guy in the video goes from 138 at 6.8% (128.6 lean body mass) to 165 at 14% (141.9 lbm) in 84 days. That's 13 lbs lbm in 3 months. He improves his diet and, from what it sounded like, started lifting! He got gains at the exact rate you mentioned you got naturally...

Furthermore, how do you plan on 'taking your time' to gain 40 lbs of lean mass over the course of one 12 week cycle? They're mutually exclusive.

My overall point is, you'll be much safer to have a better jumping off point. Listen to the veterans!

[bigelle]

new to area is there a link dont know but I need some workout advice. just a man living his second life and need some direction.