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[bulktser84]

Can someone please explain to me why you have absolutely have to be under 15 percent body fat before you start

[austinite]

Who says you have to be under 15?

[qscgugcsq]

15% is only a number.

However if you cant get under 15% naturally you clesrly have difficulty with your diet...

Plus, over 15% you increase the risk of side effect.

If you blood pressure are fine and if you arent sensitive to E2 (bloodwork will tell you).

And if ou clearly know how to eat and train...

Then even at 20% you can cycle...
However these circumstance are very rare... And someone who feels the need to ask it clearly do not answer to these criteria(no offense intended).

Good luck

[bulktser84]

Who says you have to be under 15?

I just reading that every were

[bulktser84]

I just reading that every were

Actually had to diet and exercise its not that I am I am about 20 percent but I do die in exercise since I started my cycle and I can notice that I've dropped a few pounds of body fat cause I'm starting to look more lean in and more definition of my shoulders in other areas I was just curious to know exactly why because I've been reading that statute of limitations are don't do it if you're under 25 in you have to be 15 percent or under body fat

[austinite]

I just reading that every were

If you're very experienced and know exactly how to control your estrogen and other side effects, you can cycle at higher BF. The problem is most do not have the experience and don't know how manage E2, which is considerably difficult to do at high BF. But many have cycled at 20% or whatever and succeeded. Not for a beginner, never. And 3 cycles certainly does not make one an expert. Lots of blood work has to be done and actually understanding the results is crucial.

[bulktser84]

If you're very experienced and know exactly how to control your estrogen and other side effects, you can cycle at higher BF. The problem is most do not have the experience and don't know how manage E2, which is considerably difficult to do at high BF. But many have cycled at 20% or whatever and succeeded. Not for a beginner, never. And 3 cycles certainly does not make one an expert. Lots of blood work has to be done and actually understanding the results is crucial.

Are u saying I could die ?

[tdoe11]

I have cycled at higher body fat. Maybe 20%. Results aren't as visible, bloat is alot worse and you tend to put on more fat. I did a few month cut, and I am now gaining way better than before. Loosing fat truly is easier than building muscle. IMO I would cut first. In the long run you will be stoked.

[AlinSR]

Are u saying I could die ?

It's possible.

[bulktser84]

I have cycled at higher body fat. Maybe 20%. Results aren't as visible, bloat is alot worse and you tend to put on more fat. I did a few month cut, and I am now gaining way better than before. Loosing fat truly is easier than building muscle. IMO I would cut first. In the long run you will be stoked.

Could u give me what your cut cyl.. looked like when u did that bro ied like to try what u did ?

[austinite]

Are u saying I could die ?

Yes. Combining overweight, lack of experience, poor estrogen management, lack of blood work, high RBC/HCT, etc.... you're damn right you can die. But again, this is a combination of things and it all stems from lack of education. Not just because you're over 15%.

[Pittsburgh412]

Can someone please explain to me why you have absolutely have to be under 15 percent body fat before you start

I personally am 30% BF roughly, and I'm on a cycle, I (knock on wood) have little sides ( acne increase). I didn't get bloodwork(bad decision) and I thought I had gyno due to excess fat due to a high BF and paranoia from everyone telling me I was at a high risk for sides due to BF.( I dont) I think I may be Resistant to aromatization but I don't really know if that's even possible.
The point is you can cycle at any BF if your diets good and you use an AI

[bulktser84]

I personally am 30% BF roughly, and I'm on a cycle, I (knock on wood) have little sides ( acne increase). I didn't get bloodwork(bad decision) and I thought I had gyno due to excess fat due to a high BF and paranoia from everyone telling me I was at a high risk for sides due to BF.( I dont) I think I may be Resistant to aromatization but I don't really know if that's even possible.
The point is you can cycle at any BF if your diets good and you use an AI

I agree sir thanks

[austinite]

I personally am 30% BF roughly, and I'm on a cycle, I (knock on wood) have little sides ( acne increase). I didn't get bloodwork(bad decision) and I thought I had gyno due to excess fat due to a high BF and paranoia from everyone telling me I was at a high risk for sides due to BF.( I dont) I think I may be Resistant to aromatization but I don't really know if that's even possible.
The point is you can cycle at any BF if your diets good and you use an AI

Wow pitt. So no matter my BF, I just need an AI and a diet plan? That's all it takes huh?

[Pittsburgh412]

Wow pitt. So no matter my BF, I just need an AI and a diet plan? That's all it takes huh?

Works for me !

[Back In Black]

Works for me !

What is your diet plan that works? You are cutting right? And gained 15lbs in 4 weeks!!!!!!!!!

[Pittsburgh412]

What is your diet plan that works? You are cutting right? And gained 15lbs in 4 weeks!!!!!!!!!

I honestly couldn't decide but I ended up keeping my bulking diet on for the 4 weeks and weighed in at 289 today about 2 weeks after that 300 pic was taken ( same scale , same time )

[austinite]

huh? Bulking diet? I'm confused......

[Pittsburgh412]

huh? Bulking diet? I'm confused......

I was eating 5k a day to bulk up at 285
Me and him had a PM convo a little while ago
Edit: 5-5.5k on some days

[Back In Black]

I honestly couldn't decide but I ended up keeping my bulking diet on for the 4 weeks and weighed in at 289 today about 2 weeks after that 300 pic was taken ( same scale , same time )

So

4 weeks ago 285lbs
2 weeks ago 300lbs
Today 289lbs

Why would you even consider bulking at over 30%? What kind of dirty bulk was it to gain 15lbs in 2 weeks? Other than the 17 beers you had in one night?

Honestly, I think you're an absolute fool for running this cycle. Can you lay out this new cutting diet and include macros and calories?

[Pittsburgh412]

So

4 weeks ago 285lbs
2 weeks ago 300lbs
Today 289lbs

Why would you even consider bulking at over 30%? What kind of dirty bulk was it to gain 15lbs in 2 weeks? Other than the 17 beers you had in one night?

Honestly, I think you're an absolute fool for running this cycle. Can you lay out this new cutting diet and include macros and calories?

The beer was for pleasure which made bloat adding weight(semi gluten intolerant)+ water weight from test

[Back In Black]

The beer was for pleasure which made bloat adding weight(semi gluten intolerant)+ water weight from test

No AI?

[Back In Black]

I was eating 5k a day to bulk up at 285
Me and him had a PM convo a little while ago
Edit: 5-5.5k on some days

Not about a bulking diet we didn't. Please don't insinuate that I encouraged you to bulk.

[Pittsburgh412]

Not about a bulking diet we didn't. Please don't insinuate that I encouraged you to bulk.

Not what I ment I explained our convo to help his confusion

[Pittsburgh412]

No AI?

Armidex .25 EOD

[austinite]

Pitt, honestly you can do whatever you want of course, no problem. But please, do me a huge favor, especially because you're not getting blood work and you really don't know what going on inside... don't advise others. It's not in everyone's best interest. I don't want anyone thinking this is OK, it's dangerous and irresponsible. But its your choice and I respect it, just respect our members and try not to lead them.

[Pittsburgh412]

Pitt, honestly you can do whatever you want of course, no problem. But please, do me a huge favor, especially because you're not getting blood work and you really don't know what going on inside... don't advise others. It's not in everyone's best interest. I don't want anyone thinking this is OK, it's dangerous and irresponsible. But its your choice and I respect it, just respect our members and try not to lead them.

I outlined it was a bad decision.
EDIT: and was I wrong?!? Couldn't you theoretically cycle at any BF? With an AI and a diet?

[Back In Black]

Lets see this diet buddy so we can help you.

[austinite]

I outlined it was a bad decision.
EDIT: and was I wrong?!? Couldn't you theoretically cycle at any BF? With an AI and a diet?

Well, yes. You could also drive a car without brakes.

[Pittsburgh412]

Lets see this diet buddy so we can help you.

the only staple that i eat daily is 2lbs chicken split up into 4 8oz meals about 1400cals and 290 protein everything else is like oatmeal fruit , or veggies or nuts, and a 120 cal protein PWO shake. since i dont have it oficially outlined im not sure exact calories in one day, never more then 2200 and usually never under 1900. and macros im unsure of

[Back In Black]

the only staple that i eat daily is 2lbs chicken split up into 4 8oz meals about 1400cals and 290 protein everything else is like oatmeal fruit , or veggies or nuts, and a 120 cal protein PWO shake. since i dont have it oficially outlined im not sure exact calories in one day, never more then 2200 and usually never under 1900. and macros im unsure of

In 2lbs of uncooked chicken breast there is closer to 200g protein not 290g. Of course the calories are reduced accordingly.

I'm at a bit of a loss tbh. You're unsure of macros but kind of know your calories, which are too low by the way. You should have had this mapped out 2 months ago buddy.

[Pittsburgh412]

In 2lbs of uncooked chicken breast there is closer to 200g protein not 290g. Of course the calories are reduced accordingly.

I'm at a bit of a loss tbh. You're unsure of macros but kind of know your calories, which are too low by the way. You should have had this mapped out 2 months ago buddy.

your right, i am loosing weight though? idk man i know i kinda hoped on this cycle un prepared(diet wise) but so far its working i think, we'll see in 9 more weeks how it goes

[Back In Black]

your right, i am loosing weight though? idk man i know i kinda hoped on this cycle un prepared(diet wise) but so far its working i think, we'll see in 9 more weeks how it goes

It's good that you have taken everything on board and aren't going to do anything about it. Its not really working if you are 6 weeks in and weigh more than you started. Maybe you will end up at 30% if you continue to lose wight and another 20lbs.

[marcus300]

When you have a high bf % it increases the conversion factor of testosterone to estrogen, this will increase the sides related to high estrogen. You can also be more likely to higher water retention sides and increased BP when you have a higher BF %. Fat cell receptors have more of an affinity to aromatising so if you have more fat cells than you have more of a chance estrogen related sides.

[MuscleInk]

When you have a high bf % it increases the conversion factor of testosterone to estrogen, this will increase the sides related to high estrogen. You can also be more likely to higher water retention sides and increased BP when you have a higher BF %. Fat cell receptors have more of an affinity to aromatising so if you have more fat cells than you have more of a chance estrogen related sides.

......and elevated estrogen significantly increases risk for thromboembolic events such as DVTs, myocardial infarctions, stroke, and pulmonary embolisms - many of which are SILENT killers. Moreover, the risk of prostate cancer is nearly three fold higher in men with high or unregulated estrogen.

It's the side effects you DON'T see that you should concern yourself with!

[Java Man]

When you have a high bf % it increases the conversion factor of testosterone to estrogen, this will increase the sides related to high estrogen. You can also be more likely to higher water retention sides and increased BP when you have a higher BF %. Fat cell receptors have more of an affinity to aromatising so if you have more fat cells than you have more of a chance estrogen related sides.

So Fat chance this will be successful??