Test E for cutting. 12 weeks. Please critique

[investor23]

My fellow members,

I have been a fly on the wall at this website for quite sometime now. I have used it to gain knowledge and insight into different gear and the like. I decided to post today to hear what ya'll have to say about my first cycle.

Stats: 6'2. 230. 16% bf

I plan on running Test E for 12 weeks. I have nolva and was thinking of arimidex to cut down on the water.

Is 300 mg a week sufficient for Test E? And I also have some prop that I was thinking of using to kick start the journey. If I kickstart with prop, is 500 mg too much? Too little? Just right?

The goal of this cycle is to cut. I have read some great articles on here that say diet is the deciding factor in whether one loses weight or gains weight on test.

I will post the diet that I have come up with in a little bit, as I need to go to work, but please share your thoughts on this first cycle.

One last think-I can provide the brand of gear if its allowed, but at the risk of breaking the rules I will stay away from it unless otherwise told.

Thanks ya'll!

[itsjayman02]

Hi test E for 12 weeks @ 500mg per week is sufficient but ultimately your diet will determine your weight loss

Post a picture for accurate body fat % as most people state they are less than they are you should really be 15% with 18 months solid training

Pct basic nolva and clomid research beginner cycles for all this info.

[Bio-Active]

Can you post up your stats, Training history? We may want to see your meal plan as well.

[investor23]

Here is a picture. I guessed my body fat % so I may be a little less or a little more than 16%. I have never had it checked before.

[Chx beach 79]

Here is a picture. I guessed my body fat % so I may be a little less or a little more than 16%. I have never had it checked before.<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=140237"/>

This might help.

What is your cardio looking like? How much, how often, how long?

[investor23]

Thank you for that chart. My cardio consists of 45 min PWO on the treadmill or elliptical. I'll do a warm up for 10 minutes, interval for 15, light jog for 10, and walk for 10.

I am writing this on my iPad so I will attach my diet w macros tmro.

Is the consensus 500 per week? I have access to more if need be, but will not be placing my order until I have received enough confirmation that 500 is perfect. I want this cycle to be ran as well as possible. I also want this to be informative to other gear virgins. I will do my best to post updates as thorough as possible.

I welcome all opinions so please share as you wish. The more information the better and hopefully this thread can serve as a baseline for others.

[tdoe11]

I just cut with 350 a week for two and a half months and it went excellent. I am a fan of keeping anabolics as low as possible and working hard. Worked for me. Needless to say an excellent diet and routine including lots of cardio be your determining factor. Good luck

[Gaspaco]

Hey man!

Test is a perfect compound for both cutting and bulking.

It all depends on your diet, don't go lower that 500kcal under TDEE.

Test will help with catabolism and keeping muscle gains while loosing fat.

12 weeks of 400-500mg test a week is nice first run.

add AI!! Start adex at 0.25mg eod and adjust, run it whole cycle until PCT!

Add HCG! At 250iu twice a week and run it until PCT.

14days after last test E start PCT.

Clomid 75/50/50/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20

GOOD LUCK BUDDY!!!

[investor23]

Your insight is greatly appreciated. Thank you both.

As for the AI, I was leaning towards that but wasn't completely sure. To be honest I have read so many different threads everything begins to blend together. I figured I would just start my own and go from there.

I'm really excited to start this.

Tdoee-would you mind sharing some insight to what your diet consisted off? I'm not asking for specific meals-just more on the macro side.

Gaspaco-really really appreciate the insight. My biggest concern as a newbie to gear is the pct and I won't begin until all of that is in order.

Let's keep the dialog going.

[investor23]

I apologize for the delay. Big time day today in preparation for Father's Day.

As mentioned earlier, I was going to post my macros. This is where I need the most help. I understand where to shop and the foods to eat, but like I mentioned earlier, I want this to cycle to be perfect and therefore the diet should be perfect as well.

I have attached a picture with my macro break down for lifting vs non lifting days.

Please share your .02.

All the best.

[Back In Black]

The only way you really know your true maintenance calories is to eat at what you think it is for several days, weigh yourself every day and, when there's no change, there you are.

As a loose guide I would put you at 2700cals plus cals burned during workout as your maintenance. That may average out to 3100cals per day.

Once you pick a figure then you need to decide how many calories under that you want to eat. If you go too low your chances of laying down any additional muscle are limited. If you don't go low enough then you may not loose as much fat as you want.

Personally, I would be looking to eat approx 3000cals on your workout days and 2700cals on non workout days. You can create a greater calorie deficit via cardio, which should have greater benefit to you, in terms of muscle gain and fat loss over the 12 weeks.

If it is fat loss only that you are interested in then you can reduce those calories above by 200-300 cals per day.

As for your macro's? Your fats are, IMO, way to high. My recent recomposition diet at 3000ish calories had approximately 350g carbs, 275g pro and 50-60g fats. The only variable that changed was that I dropped 70g carbs on non workout days.

Obviously you need to tailor all of this to you but I hope it helps, rather than confuses.

And don't forget, once you start PCT you will need to INCREASE your calories.

[investor23]

The only way you really know your true maintenance calories is to eat at what you think it is for several days, weigh yourself every day and, when there's no change, there you are.

As a loose guide I would put you at 2700cals plus cals burned during workout as your maintenance. That may average out to 3100cals per day.

Once you pick a figure then you need to decide how many calories under that you want to eat. If you go too low your chances of laying down any additional muscle are limited. If you don't go low enough then you may not loose as much fat as you want.

Personally, I would be looking to eat approx 3000cals on your workout days and 2700cals on non workout days. You can create a greater calorie deficit via cardio, which should have greater benefit to you, in terms of muscle gain and fat loss over the 12 weeks.

If it is fat loss only that you are interested in then you can reduce those calories above by 200-300 cals per day.

As for your macro's? Your fats are, IMO, way to high. My recent recomposition diet at 3000ish calories had approximately 350g carbs, 275g pro and 50-60g fats. The only variable that changed was that I dropped 70g carbs on non workout days.

Obviously you need to tailor all of this to you but I hope it helps, rather than confuses.

And don't forget, once you start PCT you will need to INCREASE your calories.

What is your height and weight? Are you comparable to me? I like the recomp macros you used.

Also-let's say, for example, we are comparable and I follow your breakdown-350 carbs, 275 pro, 50/60 fats and 3000 ish calories, by how much should I increase my calories once I start pct?

This puzzle is starting to piece together very nicely gentlemen. I am aiming to start the goods next week. I will post every couple of days once I start.

As always-please comment, criticize, and or critique. All is welcome.

[Back In Black]

What is your height and weight? Are you comparable to me? I like the recomp macros you used.

Also-let's say, for example, we are comparable and I follow your breakdown-350 carbs, 275 pro, 50/60 fats and 3000 ish calories, by how much should I increase my calories once I start pct?

This puzzle is starting to piece together very nicely gentlemen. I am aiming to start the goods next week. I will post every couple of days once I start.

As always-please comment, criticize, and or critique. All is welcome.

I'm about 195 at 10%. But I bulked using those calories. So you have approx 10 lean lbs on me. Same height.

For PCT you would normally want to up your carbs by 300-500 cals per day. You can expect to gain a little fat maybe but it will help you keep your muscle gains.

[investor23]

I gotcha. Thanks for sharing. I can't wait to start. I'm putting in my final order this afternoon.

Anybody else care to share their experience in test e for cutting? Good experience? Bad one? In between?

[Pittsburgh412]

I apologize for the delay. Big time day today in preparation for Father's Day.

As mentioned earlier, I was going to post my macros. This is where I need the most help. I understand where to shop and the foods to eat, but like I mentioned earlier, I want this to cycle to be perfect and therefore the diet should be perfect as well.

I have attached a picture with my macro break down for lifting vs non lifting days.

Please share your .02.

All the best.

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=140304"/>

Is that picture from a program?

[evander87]

I just cut with 350 a week for two and a half months and it went excellent. I am a fan of keeping anabolics as low as possible and working hard. Worked for me. Needless to say an excellent diet and routine including lots of cardio be your determining factor. Good luck

Me too. I cut with 350 test e as well. Only to keep the muscle from wasting in a deep caloric deficit. For me it was average TDEE -1000 but daily varied between TDEE -800 to -1200.

I still bulk on test at 500 a week. No need to add more aas if you don't need it. Pin 350 a week and cut the calories hard.

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

[investor23]

Me too. I cut with 350 test e as well. Only to keep the muscle from wasting in a deep caloric deficit. For me it was average TDEE -1000 but daily varied between TDEE -800 to -1200.

I still bulk on test at 500 a week. No need to add more aas if you don't need it. Pin 350 a week and cut the calories hard.

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

So you think 500 is too much for cutting?? What was your macro breakdown for your diet?

[investor23]

Pittsburgh-yes it is

[evander87]

So you think 500 is too much for cutting?? What was your macro breakdown for your diet?

IMHO it's a waste. If you can get great results at 350 why pin extra?

For the most part it was 40p 40c 20f I did some carb cycling with great results.

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

[investor23]

Evander- How can I pm you?

[Sledgehammer1]

I am cutting right now with 500mg Rotexmedica Test E. I am stacking it with 300mg NPP. I am really happy with the results at this dose. I cut before at my TRT dose of 250mg Test/200mg NPP wk with ok results. I find at 500mg you get strength increases which will signal to the body, the need to hold onto your muscle. The stronger you are, more intense workout, more calories burned. With my diet on point, its becoming almost a recomp because I am seeing gains along with the fatloss. For me its also physcological. If Im going to take this much to cut, then Im going to take full advantage of getting in the gym, doing cardio, and training hard.

[investor23]

here is the updated version of my macros. the fats might still be a little too high, but I think everything else is pretty good.

What ya'll think?

[Buster Brown]

here is the updated version of my macros. the fats might still be a little too high, but I think everything else is pretty good.

What ya'll think?

Fats may be a tad too high on rest days. At 230 lbs. you may want to increase your protein a tad 1.25 to 1.5 grams per lb. bodyweight, JUST a suggestion. You will be tweaking your diet here and there to find out exactly what works best for you and that just comes from "time on task".

[investor23]

Sounds good.

Putting in my order now. I decided on 500/week of test e. I will start adex at 0.25mg eod and adjust, run it whole cycle until PCT! (Thanks Gaspaco) Also ordering HCG and will be running that 250 iu per week until pct. (Another thanks to Gaspaco)

Week 14 I will start PCT:

Clomid 75/50/50/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Training log with diet commentary to follow. Track as you wish. I want to provide as much insight as possible and I am always open to hear from others.

[Sledgehammer1]

Run the HCG 250iu twice a week. That's standard protocol for running HCG on cycle. You may want to up the arimidex to .5 EOD on 500mg test during a cut.

[simpson72]

Run the HCG 250iu twice a week. That's standard protocol for running HCG on cycle. You may want to up the arimidex to .5 EOD on 500mg test during a cut.

excuse me what s the dose for hcg 250 iu two times a week?

[Sledgehammer1]

Im not sure what ur question is. Basically you take a total of 500iu(international units) of HCG per week. You break this up into 2 shots at 250iu each. A single amp of HCG has 5000iu. So you get some Bac water and dilute the HCG in a 10ml vial and load insulin syringes to 1/2cc .

[investor23]

How's everyone doing? I put my order in yesterday and should be picking it up in a couple of days.

Sledge-i ordered enough hog and ai as I plan on bumping up as you recommended.

I just wanted to keep the dialogue going. All of my macros are in order, with an exception to the fats-I need to cut them down a tad- (refer to picture above) and the only thing I havnt shared with ya'll is my workout schedule.

I think shooting every Monday and Thursday would be best.

Due to work, I will be up early, and might have to stay later some nights, but I will always be able to get my lift in when scheduled. I will lift Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, rest, Friday, saturday, off & repeat.

Monday: legs (hate legs, hate mondays, and two negatives make a positive, right?)
Tuesday: Chest
Wednesday: Back & Abs
Thursday: no
Friday: Shoulders & Abs
Saturday: Arms & Abs

I am excited to get going. Unfortunately I will NOT able to kickstart with prop, so it will most likely be a little while until I feel it kick in. In any event, if you guys are interested in following along, please come along for the ride. Encouragement and insight is greatly appreciated as is questions, comments, and the like.

[Sledgehammer1]

Keep us updated bro. I noticed you listed your training. You do plan on incorporating cardio? Im sure you do as your results will be mostly dictated by your diet and cardio. I try for morning fasted on days that allow and PWO cardio when not. You could as well on off days do some HIIT.

[investor23]

Keep us updated bro. I noticed you listed your training. You do plan on incorporating cardio? Im sure you do as your results will be mostly dictated by your diet and cardio. I try for morning fasted on days that allow and PWO cardio when not. You could as well on off days do some HIIT.

Sledgehammer-thanks for the post. And yes I absolutely will be incorporating cardio. With my schedule, cardio will be done in the morning and on an empty stomach. I usually lace up and go for a nice 45 minute run with my dog in the trails behind my house. That is my preferred form of cardio since it wake my ass up and it tires her out. Then after work Ill hit the gym for an hour of lifting and a cool down/flush jog and walk.

Picking up goodies tomorrow. Mondays only a couple days away!!

[investor23]

How's everyone been?

I personally have been much better. Went to get my test and the pct and hcg were my in yet. As a newbie, I want everything to be perfect so I took the test but I have not started and will most likely not be starting until next Monday. The pct and hcg should be coming in middle of the week.

To everyone, or anyone, who is following this thread just be patient with me as I will not start until everything is in order.

Once I start I will provide updates to my progress. Remember-this is for cutting.

Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend!