Nolvadex for gyno while on deca?

[deladude]

Nipples got tender upped my adex but it was too late. Already have a pea sized lump.
I heard you shouldn't mix nolvadex and deca.
I'm taking test, tren, deca, anadrol.
I love this cycle so don't talk sh*t about how I shouldn't mix them. I have my reasons.

So am I good to nail this gyno with some nolva or is taking it while on deca going to make it worse?
Btw I WILL NOT use letro. Haha

Thanks for the help

[Euroholic]

Sounds like the gyno is prolactin related.. You need prami or caber

Nolva will just block the reseptors not lower you e2 get bloods done.. But letrozole and some prami/caber

[Euroholic]

Have you even got a pct lined up?

[deladude]

I upped my arimidex. I have it in check already. Now I need to reverse it.

[deladude]

And like I said I won't use letro

[The Titan99]

And like I said I won't use letro

How do you know your E2 is sorted? BW or guessing? I wouldn't use letro either. Surgery? See the Doc and maybe it's covered.

[deladude]

I've reversed it before with nolva I just want to know if I can use the nolva while on deca.

[baseline_9]

Sounds like you have just had a flare up....

Ramp ur Adex and it will clear up in a few days.... What are u running ur Adex at to reverse this.....

[deladude]

.5mg/day
I have a definite lump

[baseline_9]

.5mg/day
I have a definite lump

That will do fuk all to get it down....

Take 2mg for 3 days and then come back if its still there......

[deladude]

Cool thanks.
And about the nolva just so I know, is that not supposed to be taken with deca?

[baseline_9]

Cool thanks.
And about the nolva just so I know, is that not supposed to be taken with deca?

Use an AI like Adex or aromasin throughout your cycle to keep estrogen in check.....

Keep E in check from day one and theoretically you should have any issues....

[JWP806]

Cool thanks.
And about the nolva just so I know, is that not supposed to be taken with deca?

Where did you hear this? Just curious as I've never heard this before. I'm running nolva currently while on cycle (deca/test) for lipids. Also running a-dex as well.

[Lunk1]

Many believe that Nolva will increase the risk of PRL related gyno while ujsing 19nors. Try Bromo or dostinex.....

upping your AI will most likely not get rid of existing gyno while on cycle.

Why are you against letro??

[deladude]

I won't use letro because last time it took 3 weeks to be able to get it up again.
Really f*cked up my sex life.

[jimmyinkedup]

Get raloxifene or just use the tamox. Up regulation people speak of with tamox is of PGR not prolactin and it really doesnt matter in all reality. If you have tamox - use it and up your adex dose.

[deladude]

Sounds like a plan. Thanks!

[XxAndreaxX]

hahahahha tren + deca + nolva, prolactine booom, test + anadrol estro boooom (anadrol is a weird steroid do not respond to an AI), so result, NIPPLES BOOOOOM. I think you're already screwed, but anyways, you could try to suspend your magical cycle, and get some cabergoline and some aromasin. If you get the situation in hand, good for you, if its too late, no problem, you can do a nice surgery.
but I wouldn't go on with that cycle, because in your case, gyno would be my last concern....
Its only my opinion eh

[Lunk1]

Get raloxifene or just use the tamox. Up regulation people speak of with tamox is of PGR not prolactin and it really doesnt matter in all reality. If you have tamox - use it and up your adex dose.

Jimmy, I have read tons of info on PRL being elevated during a 19nor cycle due to Tomax usage. Although this info was not neccessarely medical studies and may just have been parroted bro science. Could you explain or elaborate on this further if you have a moment?

[kelkel]

Where did you hear this? Just curious as I've never heard this before. I'm running nolva currently while on cycle (deca/test) for lipids. Also running a-dex as well.

Only negative I see with combining the two is that nolva can lower the effectiveness of adex slightly. Really not a bad idea for lipids.

[jimmyinkedup]

Jimmy, I have read tons of info on PRL being elevated during a 19nor cycle due to Tomax usage. Although this info was not neccessarely medical studies and may just have been parroted bro science. Could you explain or elaborate on this further if you have a moment?

Absolutely Lunk. I see and read it everywhere as well man.
Tamox administration result in an up-regulation in progesterone receptors. The up-regulation last for 10-14 days, at which point it actually then down-regulates the progesterone receptor. People think this short term increased expression of progesterone will give you gyno. The fact is, on tamox it wont. As we have read many times gyno is not possible in the absence of elevated estrogen.While tamox doesnt decrease estrogen, it blocks the estrogen receptor in breast tissue. In other word no estrogenic activity will be exerted on breast tissue. SO ultimately this short term increase in progesterone expression will have no impact at all on getting gyno.

[Lunk1]

Absolutely Lunk. I see and read it everywhere as well man.
Tamox administration result in an up-regulation in progesterone receptors. The up-regulation last for 10-14 days, at which point it actually then down-regulates the progesterone receptor. People think this short term increased expression of progesterone will give you gyno. The fact is, on tamox it wont. As we have read many times gyno is not possible in the absence of elevated estrogen.While tamox doesnt decrease estrogen, it blocks the estrogen receptor in breast tissue. In other word no estrogenic activity will be exerted on breast tissue. SO ultimately this short term increase in progesterone expression will have no impact at all on getting gyno.

But...to be clear...an adequite AI is still neccessary while administering the Tamox correct, since it only blocks estro at the receptors but does not stop the amount being produced.

[jimmyinkedup]

But...to be clear...an adequite AI is still neccessary while administering the Tamox correct, since it only blocks estro at the receptors but does not stop the amount being produced.

Absolutely! In fact as I mentioned the ai dose should be increased as obviously it was insufficient. Also its more necessary in the circumstance where exemstane is not the ai being used, tamox administration results in lower blood levels of letro and adex(ref kel's post above), so not only do you need to up the dose for therapeutic reasons but also to offset the effects tamox has on blood levels.
My advice is if taking adex or letro and you start tamox administration for gyno - double your current ai dose.

[kelkel]

Jimmy do you think doubling or maybe just adding 1/3 or 1/4th more initially and ramping up as needed is prudent? Reason I ask is that my knowledge is that the reduction of AI effectiveness due to nolva implementation is app 25-30%. What do you think?

Back in a few. Gotta run to the bus stop!

kel

[jimmyinkedup]

Jimmy do you think doubling or maybe just adding 1/3 or 1/4th more initially and ramping up as needed is prudent? Reason I ask is that my knowledge is that the reduction of AI effectiveness due to nolva implementation is app 25-30%. What do you think?

Back in a few. Gotta run to the bus stop!

kel

My opinion is that will simply offset the effects of the co-administration of tamoxifen so in other words its like taking what you were before. When you were taking what you were before you got gyno - so it is abviously not an adequate dose. When you factor in the effects of tamox on blood levels...doubling a .5mg adex dose to 1mg adex dose is really pretty close to an actual 1/3 increase you suggested.

[kelkel]

I wasn't even factoring in the gyno at this point. I was just comparing the straight AI administration and then the combined administration of the AI and Serm. Good point Jimmy! Great conversation.

[Alinjr]

Good Luck with whatever you decide to do.

[jimmyinkedup]

Great conversation.

Always a pleasure buddy conversing with you buddy!

[Lunk1]

I appreciate the clarification Jimmy and Kel...I love when threads go this way.

[Bonaparte]

Sounds like the perfect gyno stack. If you don't want to use Letro, have fun with your gyno.

[XxAndreaxX]

Don't know, it seems the perfect cycle for gyno. tren + deca for PRL test, deca and anadrol for estro. adex will help against test and deca estro, but not against anadrol. tamox will help against anadrol but will screw up PRL. so no way out, the perfect cycle to screw you up!

[jimmyinkedup]

Don't know, it seems the perfect cycle for gyno. tren + deca for PRL test, deca and anadrol for estro. adex will help against test and deca estro, but not against anadrol. tamox will help against anadrol but will screw up PRL. so no way out, the perfect cycle to screw you up!

Tamox doesnt screw up PRL , it up regulates the PGR for a short period-then down regulates it. The combo (ai + serm) is an excellent one in this case even considering the complexities anadrol brings to the table. In the absence of elevated estrogen what your saying is moot anyway.

[deladude]

So jimmy, Should I plan to run nolvadex with this cycle from now on or should I just break it out if I have a flare up?

[XxAndreaxX]

I always read, NO NO NO nolva with 19nor, especially with tren.
1) because it lowers IGF-1 (but some say its a lie or not proven)
2) because nolva tends to raise PRL.

anyways, I'd stop that crazy gyno-stack cycle, and try to get heal ASAP

[XxAndreaxX]

he could use Winstrol instead of tren for example, and Dbol instead of anadrol, that would make much more sense.

[jimmyinkedup]

So jimmy, Should I plan to run nolvadex with this cycle from now on or should I just break it out if I have a flare up?

Well you have a flare up now right? In the future you might wanna rethink your cycle approach or increase your ai from go and just have nolva on hand. Right now if i were you and i got a lump and had nolva on hand id have started it already as well as upping my ai dosage (like double it)

[deladude]

Thanks jimmy. I've been doing what you recommend and the lump is already shrinking.

[jimmyinkedup]

Thanks jimmy. I've been doing what you recommend and the lump is already shrinking.

Thats Great. Keep us posted!

[austinite]

Good to hear deladude! Awesome coverage jimmy!

[deladude]

The next cycle I think ima add some Masteron to help things out a bit.