3rd Cycle layout. Test/Tren/A-bombs. Suggestions/Critique

[Live for the PUMP]

I will be doing 3rd cycle shortly. Goal is re-composition. I will eat just slightly higher than TDEE. Please let me know if its good to go or any suggestions you have.

1st Cycle: Test E/12 weeks @ 500
2nd Cycle: Test E/8 weeks @ 600 and DBOL 50mg/daily @ 4/weeks

I am 32 years young and been lifting ~13 years. Current weight is 180 lbs @ 16-18% BF. 5'8" tall. I will be getting below 15 before starting.

Proposed cycle:

A-Bombs 50/mg daily @ 6 weeks
Tren E 300/mg weekly @ 12 weeks
Test E 500/mg weekly @ 12 weeks

HCG week 2-12 @ 500/weekly
ADEX week 1-12 @ .25 EOD
Letro (should I take this and if so at what doseage?)

PCT:

Week 15-18
Clomid 100/50/50/25
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

The test/tren is a mix. 400mg/ml. Test is 250mg and tren at 150mg. So I will be injecting 1ml twice weekly.

My workout split is as follows:
Day 1: Chest/Abs
Day 2: Quads/Calves
Day 3: Shoulders/Abs
Day 4: Back/Hamstrings
Day 5: Arms/Calves
Cardio 2-3 times a weeks.

I appreciate your feedback.

[Capebuffalo]

Hey buddy where you been?

6 weeks is long for me for an oral
Drop tren two weeks before test if you go with e. I would use A so I could get away if I didn't react well to it.

That being said 3 rd cycle is early for tren. IMO

[Live for the PUMP]

Hey buddy where you been?

6 weeks is long for me for an oral
Drop tren two weeks before test if you go with e. I would use A so I could get away if I didn't react well to it.

That being said 3 rd cycle is early for tren. IMO

Hey bro. Haven't been home much last couple months. I got some test E left from last cycle so Ill drop tren last two weeks. I wanted to do Test p/tren a just too expensive for me right now.

You think A-Bombs at 100mg/daily for 4 weeks be better?

[bigsiv]

You cycle looks pretty good to me but I do agree 6 weeks might be a little harsh on the liver for the a bombs but I would still stick with 50 a day. Keep well hydrated I always seem to get banging headaches with a bombs if I don't drink enough h2o. Great strength gains though looks like a good cycle Good luck and keep us posted, before and after pics would be good

[bigsiv]

That's 50mgs not tablets lol

[Live for the PUMP]

You cycle looks pretty good to me but I do agree 6 weeks might be a little harsh on the liver for the a bombs but I would still stick with 50 a day. Keep well hydrated I always seem to get banging headaches with a bombs if I don't drink enough h2o. Great strength gains though looks like a good cycle Good luck and keep us posted, before and after pics would be good

Thanks bud. I will bump it down to 4 weeks at 50mg/daily. I will have enough for 4th cycle this way. You guys have any thoughts on letro and doseage? Think it was steroid.com that said it was useful.

[crazy mike]

You cycle looks pretty good to me but I do agree 6 weeks might be a little harsh on the liver for the a bombs but I would still stick with 50 a day. Keep well hydrated I always seem to get banging headaches with a bombs if I don't drink enough h2o. Great strength gains though looks like a good cycle Good luck and keep us posted, before and after pics would be good

Agree with this ^^ also dropping Tren 10 wks and test for 12 wks. IMOP ...crazy mike

[Capebuffalo]

Thanks bud. I will bump it down to 4 weeks at 50mg/daily. I will have enough for 4th cycle this way. You guys have any thoughts on letro and doseage? Think it was steroid.com that said it was useful.

I'd just run the dex unless you start having issues. I've never had to run anything but dex now stane on cycle.

[Live for the PUMP]

I'd just run the dex unless you start having issues. I've never had to run anything but dex now stane on cycle.

Cool. Ill do that.

[crazy mike]

I'd just run the dex unless you start having issues. I've never had to run anything but dex now stane on cycle.

Oops, I've been out, Good deal Cape, I'm embarrassed I didn't catch that. Letro only for serious problems. Good luck man ! ...crazy mike

[Lunk1]

NO need to stop tren 2 weeks early! Blah blah blah lol
Forget Letro!
Have some Prami or Caber available!

[Live for the PUMP]

Oops, I've been out, Good deal Cape, I'm embarrassed I didn't catch that. Letro only for serious problems. Good luck man ! ...crazy mike

Thanks Mike

[Live for the PUMP]

NO need to stop tren 2 weeks early! Blah blah blah lol
Forget Letro!
Have some Prami or Caber available!

Prami or Caber. Ok. What would cause me to take this? If the sides get bad?

[Capebuffalo]

Prami is a mf'er. Keep e in check you won't need it. But if you do have on hand.

Still say drop tren first. My experience.

[Lunk1]

Prami is a mf'er. Keep e in check you won't need it. But if you do have on hand.

Still say drop tren first. My experience.

Considering they will both clear your system at nearly the same time, I don't see any purpose in continuing the administration of an exogenous hormone that will cause a longer period of HPTA shutdown.

[Capebuffalo]

Considering they will both clear your system at nearly the same time, I don't see any purpose in continuing the administration of an exogenous hormone that will cause a longer period of HPTA shutdown.

I'm not trying to argue with you. I said in my experience. Mr Winky likes the extra time with the test. One time all he wanted to do was sleep when I dropped at the same time. Never did it again so may have been another factor. But he's always happy with the extra time.

[Lunk1]

I'm not trying to argue with you. I said in my experience. Mr Winky likes the extra time with the test. One time all he wanted to do was sleep when I dropped at the same time. Never did it again so may have been another factor. But he's always happy with the extra time.

No arguing my man, there are ppl who swear by running test out. Me personally I would want to start that PCT ASAP (back before my new found need for TRT

[XxAndreaxX]

I ran a very similar cycle, but insted of A-bombs, it was d-bol.
6 weeks for an oral, too long, and after 3 weeks, I was barely noticing gains with d-bol.
If you never used tren, you should start with Acetate, anyways, 12 weeks tren E is too long, and 300mg too low.
I'd do 8-10 weeks at min 500mg, and test, maybe up to 750mg.
But it depends on how your body reacts with test, its up to you, but tren, my opinion, less weeks and more mg. and better Acetate if first tren

[Lunk1]

I ran a very similar cycle, but insted of A-bombs, it was d-bol.
6 weeks for an oral, too long, and after 3 weeks, I was barely noticing gains with d-bol.
If you never used tren, you should start with Acetate, anyways, 12 weeks tren E is too long, and 300mg too low.
I'd do 8-10 weeks at min 500mg, and test, maybe up to 750mg.
But it depends on how your body reacts with test, its up to you, but tren, my opinion, less weeks and more mg. and better Acetate if first tren

[spoon69]

grab some caber bro even if you dont run it and just have it on hand you should always have something for prolactin on hand well running tren.... get bloodwork if your able that way you know where you at about 4 weeks in if you run e.

[Capebuffalo]

So true. If i had not already liked another post I would like this one.
But I'm not a like ho. Lol

[Buster Brown]

Last time I ran Tren E and Tes E and dropped them at the same time, I had a pretty tough pct. Maybe it was related to the tren, maybe it wasn't but I would probably just drop it a week prior to dropping the tes. Just my .02, on that experience. Always made sense to me theoretically that they would run out the same.

[bigsiv]

Cracking response lunk1 had me in stitches
Andreaxx whatever your name is saying 300mgs of tren is not enough just shows your lack of knowledge and irresponsibility

[XxAndreaxX]

Cracking response lunk1 had me in stitches
Andreaxx whatever your name is saying 300mgs of tren is not enough just shows your lack of knowledge and irresponsibility

300mg of tren E is actually 300mg x 0,72 actual tren x mg so you'll only inject 216mg (without thinking that it could be underdosed, being an UGL product)... plus the fact it will take its time to build up... I see our friend is pretty big, 216mg of tren E is very little for decent results, but hey, its only an advice, do whatever you want. I repeat, if first run, stick to tren A 300mg is ok for start, then build up a little if you still feel fine... Acetate I'd not run longer then 8 weeks. and as Busterbrown says, keep test 2 weeks longer then Tren, I always did it like that and never had problems coming off.
good luck bro

[bigsiv]

300mg of tren E is actually 300mg x 0,72 actual tren x mg so you'll only inject 216mg (without thinking that it could be underdosed, being an UGL product)... plus the fact it will take its time to build up... I see our friend is pretty big, 216mg of tren E is very little for decent results, but hey, its only an advice, do whatever you want. I repeat, if first run, stick to tren A 300mg is ok for start, then build up a little if you still feel fine... Acetate I'd not run longer then 8 weeks. and as Busterbrown says, keep test 2 weeks longer then Tren, I always did it like that and never had problems coming off. good luck bro

First time I will actually agree on the part of using tren A for a first try of tren but I still stand by 300 mgs of tren E is ample, this is from my experience, the part I didn't like is you saying go for 500mgs that's just way too much to start with. I don't know what the tren is like from your way but I bet it's seriously underdosed if 300mgs isn't enough for excellent results. It's not the more the better with tren and you being an expert on all things AAS related you should know that!
I've only just come back on this board but some things just don't change

[Lunk1]

300mg of tren E is actually 300mg x 0,72 actual tren x mg so you'll only inject 216mg (without thinking that it could be underdosed, being an UGL product)... plus the fact it will take its time to build up... I see our friend is pretty big, 216mg of tren E is very little for decent results, but hey, its only an advice, do whatever you want. I repeat, if first run, stick to tren A 300mg is ok for start, then build up a little if you still feel fine... Acetate I'd not run longer then 8 weeks. and as Busterbrown says, keep test 2 weeks longer then Tren, I always did it like that and never had problems coming off.
good luck bro

If hard numbers are what you want then consider that 216X5=1080mg of test. Is that not enough???

[bigsiv]

Go mofo lunk1!!!!

[XxAndreaxX]

If hard numbers are what you want then consider that 216X5=1080mg of test. Is that not enough???

I'm not shure that tren is 5x as anabolic as test. maybe on paper... but there are more things going on in our bodies. otherwise, Halotestin for example would make us big in no time with it Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:1,900/850.
Trying both things, Tren might be more potent and give lean gains, but, I'd never say, its really 5x as anabolic as test.
Simple test Lunk: do an 8 weeks cycle with 200mg tren, and then another cycle with 1000mg test... You wont see big changes in the tren cycle, maybe some fat-loss if you're high on BF, but with 1gr test a week x8, you'll get transformed even on strong AI.
but anyways, its only my opinion and my experience, I could be wrong...

[Live for the PUMP]

Thanks for all your input on this.

[Live for the PUMP]

Andrea I am gonna start with doseage i posted. I have 15 weeks of gear, so I may double up the doses last 3 weeks or just run this 15. No need to waste gear. It is too delicious. What do you do when you have a little extra?

[OnTheSauce]

I'm not shure that tren is 5x as anabolic as test. maybe on paper... but there are more things going on in our bodies. otherwise, Halotestin for example would make us big in no time with it Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:1,900/850. Trying both things, Tren might be more potent and give lean gains, but, I'd never say, its really 5x as anabolic as test. Simple test Lunk: do an 8 weeks cycle with 200mg tren, and then another cycle with 1000mg test... You wont see big changes in the tren cycle, maybe some fat-loss if you're high on BF, but with 1gr test a week x8, you'll get transformed even on strong AI. but anyways, its only my opinion and my experience, I could be wrong...

Agreed. But 300 tren should still be ample for a first go around. Some guys get really bad sides and have to quit. 500 tren built up taking two weeks to clear when bad sides are happening would suck

[Java Man]

I ran 300/wk tren e my 1st time. Had night sweats and was getting out of breath easily by the 6th week so I cut it short and dropped the tren. As I read more about it, I saw that the breathlessness is a normal side with tren. I had gotten bloods done pre and at 6 weeks. My lipids were jacked: HDL was 5 and LDL over 200. Yikes. Also normal for tren though. They normalized after another 8 weeks (after dropping tren and after pct). Tren is harder than other injectable on liver enzymes so be careful when running orals concurrently with it. Prostate and kidneys need to be monitored, too. 4 weeks at the start with drol is the most i'd do with tren.

I'm just finishing a 12 week run of 1.6g test with 700 tren e and 300 deca weekly, kicked off with 4 weeks dbol and preloaded with 3g test weeks 1 and 2. This was my 11th cycle. This is not a newbie cycle for any newbies reading this... don't try this at home! Anyways, LFTP IMO your doses are fine. As you get more cycle experience you'll have plenty of opportunities to adjust doses to whatever your body tells you works best for you. Its a learning process. Keep logs of your doses and results. eventually you find your personal sweet spot. I'm going to try cycling adrol and dbol 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off throughout my next bulk cycle next year and see how that goes. Thanks marcus300 for that idea. Starting slow and low is the safest and smartest approach. GL.

[Java Man]

Andrea I am gonna start with doseage i posted. I have 15 weeks of gear, so I may double up the doses last 3 weeks or just run this 15. No need to waste gear. It is too delicious. What do you do when you have a little extra?

I either adjust my doses up a little or extend the cycle lol. I can't have gear in my house and not run it no such thing as 'left over' in my world!

[XxAndreaxX]

I either adjust my doses up a little or extend the cycle lol. I can't have gear in my house and not run it no such thing as 'left over' in my world!

Java man is right, I'd start with 300mg, and build up. But I always prefer higher dose instead of lenght of cycle. If you already have tren E, and you can't change it for Ace, its ok, I never got bad sides with tren, even @ 525mg week, and the worst sides are IMO anxiety and prolactine, which I suggest you to control with some valium and caber, especially with enanthate, where if you land in one of these, you'll have to deal for several days until you come off.
My personal experience, is that I feel the tren-limit when I reach some sort of brain fog day long. That's the point where anxiety begins, and where I know, I've to stay lower in dosage. but everyone is different, so don't take that as reference.
15 weeks is too much IMO, I'd stay at 8 weeks, and adjust dosage, and If you have some gear left, you can extend to 10 weeks, but, for a steroid like tren, its very much, take in mind tren shuts down hard, and all what you switch off, you have to switch on again...

[Live for the PUMP]

I ran 300/wk tren e my 1st time. Had night sweats and was getting out of breath easily by the 6th week so I cut it short and dropped the tren. As I read more about it, I saw that the breathlessness is a normal side with tren. I had gotten bloods done pre and at 6 weeks. My lipids were jacked: HDL was 5 and LDL over 200. Yikes. Also normal for tren though. They normalized after another 8 weeks (after dropping tren and after pct). Tren is harder than other injectable on liver enzymes so be careful when running orals concurrently with it. Prostate and kidneys need to be monitored, too. 4 weeks at the start with drol is the most i'd do with tren.

I'm just finishing a 12 week run of 1.6g test with 700 tren e and 300 deca weekly, kicked off with 4 weeks dbol and preloaded with 3g test weeks 1 and 2. This was my 11th cycle. This is not a newbie cycle for any newbies reading this... don't try this at home! Anyways, LFTP IMO your doses are fine. As you get more cycle experience you'll have plenty of opportunities to adjust doses to whatever your body tells you works best for you. Its a learning process. Keep logs of your doses and results. eventually you find your personal sweet spot. I'm going to try cycling adrol and dbol 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off throughout my next bulk cycle next year and see how that goes. Thanks marcus300 for that idea. Starting slow and low is the safest and smartest approach. GL.

Thanks for your insightful input Java Man. Those are some beastly doses you got there. Do you find that pre-loading makes it "kick in" faster? I notice lots of guys like to do this. Then Ronnie advocates to back-loading vs. pre-loading. Reason I ask is I am debating now whether to double doses first couple weeks and not use A-bomb.

[Live for the PUMP]

Java man is right, I'd start with 300mg, and build up. But I always prefer higher dose instead of lenght of cycle. If you already have tren E, and you can't change it for Ace, its ok, I never got bad sides with tren, even @ 525mg week, and the worst sides are IMO anxiety and prolactine, which I suggest you to control with some valium and caber, especially with enanthate, where if you land in one of these, you'll have to deal for several days until you come off.
My personal experience, is that I feel the tren-limit when I reach some sort of brain fog day long. That's the point where anxiety begins, and where I know, I've to stay lower in dosage. but everyone is different, so don't take that as reference.
15 weeks is too much IMO, I'd stay at 8 weeks, and adjust dosage, and If you have some gear left, you can extend to 10 weeks, but, for a steroid like tren, its very much, take in mind tren shuts down hard, and all what you switch off, you have to switch on again...

Andrea the only reason I am not going with short esters like Tren A and Test P is because of the price. It is much more expensive since they are half the Mg per ml. I am going to put my big boy pants on and if the sides get tough. Well I got a couple weeks to deal with them. I am not going into it looking at it like that though. I plan to have a good ride.

[Capebuffalo]

I ran 300/wk tren e my 1st time. Had night sweats and was getting out of breath easily by the 6th week so I cut it short and dropped the tren. As I read more about it, I saw that the breathlessness is a normal side with tren. I had gotten bloods done pre and at 6 weeks. My lipids were jacked: HDL was 5 and LDL over 200. Yikes. Also normal for tren though. They normalized after another 8 weeks (after dropping tren and after pct). Tren is harder than other injectable on liver enzymes so be careful when running orals concurrently with it. Prostate and kidneys need to be monitored, too. 4 weeks at the start with drol is the most i'd do with tren.

I'm just finishing a 12 week run of 1.6g test with 700 tren e and 300 deca weekly, kicked off with 4 weeks dbol and preloaded with 3g test weeks 1 and 2. This was my 11th cycle. This is not a newbie cycle for any newbies reading this... don't try this at home! Anyways, LFTP IMO your doses are fine. As you get more cycle experience you'll have plenty of opportunities to adjust doses to whatever your body tells you works best for you. Its a learning process. Keep logs of your doses and results. eventually you find your personal sweet spot. I'm going to try cycling adrol and dbol 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off throughout my next bulk cycle next year and see how that goes. Thanks marcus300 for that idea. Starting slow and low is the safest and smartest approach. GL.

9 weeks of tren A at 900 mg per week had my bp at 200/160 and an over night stay in the hospital followed the next morning by failing a stress test.

Tren is not to be taken lightly.

On bp med for a while now because of it.

[Cuz]

9 weeks of tren A at 900 mg per week had my bp at 200/160 and an over night stay in the hospital followed the next morning by failing a stress test.

Tren is not to be taken lightly.

On bp med for a while now because of it.

wow, that's scary man. See that's why im scared to mess with that stuff, too many horror stories.

[Xaxist]

I don't understand folks doing tren on a 3rd cycle but, hey, I am just a cautious guy. I also don't understand doing a long chain ester the first time with tren. Tren is a beast, and almost everyone I know who has done it has commented on significant sides. Do yourself a favor and either #1: don't run it yet or #2: use tren acetate.

I ran a tren cycle with tren ace a few years back at 75mg ed along with test and had unreal gains but the sides were very uncomfortable. While I didn't get the dreaded tren cough or tren dick, I did have insomnia, dark urine even with gallons of water, and night sweats. This stuff takes a toll on the body, so be careful.

[Live for the PUMP]

I don't understand folks doing tren on a 3rd cycle but, hey, I am just a cautious guy. I also don't understand doing a long chain ester the first time with tren. Tren is a beast, and almost everyone I know who has done it has commented on significant sides. Do yourself a favor and either #1: don't run it yet or #2: use tren acetate.

I ran a tren cycle with tren ace a few years back at 75mg ed along with test and had unreal gains but the sides were very uncomfortable. While I didn't get the dreaded tren cough or tren dick, I did have insomnia, dark urine even with gallons of water, and night sweats. This stuff takes a toll on the body, so be careful.

I know what you mean, but there is no other compound that really has what I am looking for. Mast and Primo, "from what I have heard" are useless unless you are single digit BF. I don't really want to cut through the holidays. I am looking to just gain a bit of muscle and lose a bit of BF. That is why I think Tren will be perfect. Would I be better off doing 800mg of test E a week and an oral like VAR? Even so does that help prepare me more for Tren? I would think that starting Tren at 300mg/weekly is on the cautious/conservative side..