Getting sides, but no results?

[diabolicsoul]

Do I just react very badly to AAS? lol.

History: 24 years old. Currently on my second cycle. Training semi consistently since I was 15, asides from injuries and vacation time.

First cycle was test E 500mg/week. Didn't really gain much, It was severely underdosed.


Current cycle:

Test P 150mg/week
Tren A 300mg/week <--- I upped the dose to 400 mg/week for one week, then lowered it back down to 300mg/week

Currently on day 28. Is it too soon to tell? I know some people claim it fully kicks in at the end of week 1. Others say around 3-4 weeks.



Sides: Sleep quality has gone down. Some extra pimples. Seems like my body hair is growing more. I get annoyed very easily now. Balls shrunk.

I know the tren is legit because my nips started to lactate. I was taking 3-600mg of b6 a day, hoping that it would be good enough. around week two my nips got really sensitive and leaked if I squeezed them. I had prami on hand and have been taking that ever since. Everything is back to normal.


Results: A little extra strength in the gym, but nothing crazy like the logs I've read. I'm a little leaner, while staying the same weight. Pumps are better, more veins.


Is 28 days too soon to tell if the tren A is underdosed? I know the gear is legit, because I know the guy who brews it, but bad batches can happen.


Edit: Further info. I'm pinning ED. PIP was bad at first, but basically non existent now. I have proper PCT all lined up, in case you are wondering.

[woot]

Just get blood work done to verify the potency of your gear. From what I've heard from others on here, one month into your cycle is great timing to check.

[jcrutche]

I would definetly run more than 150mg/week of prop.. Just me though.

[diabolicsoul]

I would definetly run more than 150mg/week of prop.. Just me though.

I decided a TRT dose of test is my best bet for my first time running tren. From the logs that I've followed and experience from people; trt test = lesser sides from tren. Also, I wouldn't have to worry too much about controlling my estrogen.

+ After this cycle, I will have just enough test P left over for another cycle

[Capebuffalo]

Mind listing all your stats?

And list everything you ate yesterday. ??

[crazy mike]

Mind listing all your stats?

And list everything you ate yesterday. ??

You didn't mention anything about night sweats. That hits me in the second week. It is the side I see more than anything and also the one everyone talks about. I don't reach much until 25-35 days for me but I also run high Test doses. Seems to me your sides would be stronger than what you describe. WHY did you lower the dose? ...crazy mike

[diabolicsoul]

Mind listing all your stats?

And list everything you ate yesterday. ??

For sure, I knew I missed something lol.
5'8. 180 pounds. 11-12% BF.

Routine is fairly basic.
Day 1: chest/tris
Day2: back/bis
day 3: rest.
Day 4: legs
Day 5: shoulder/arms
Day 6: core
day 7: rest.
Repeat.

I change things up here and there, it's not set in stone. After this weekend I'm going to switch to the phat routine, and see how that goes.

Diet is usually pretty good. No problem putting on weight or losing weight.

A typical day would be:

Meal 1: eggs + toast + protein shake + milk (or oatmeal instead of eggs)
Meal 2: yogurt + some other snack.
Meal 3: 1-2 pbj sandwiches + milk.
Meal 4: Dinner - always meat and I eat a lot.
Meal 5: protein shake + millk.

Throw in some noodles/tuna/cereal, etc in between meals.

Physical activities for work differ each day. So if I'm moving I'll have a bag of nuts and munch on those all day. And eat more. And I eat less on days where I'm not very active. Days when I'm rushing and feel like I haven't ate enough, I'll grab a burger or a sub from some fast food place. Every day is always different. I used to be super strict about counting cals at one point, so I have a fairly good idea on how much I'm consuming.

3-6 litres of water a day.

Though, I will admit that the past week, my diet has gone to shit. Family was down visiting. Very long days and getting little sleep really burns you out. + I got food poisoning a couple days ago lol. Tomorrow things should be back to normal.

You didn't mention anything about night sweats. That hits me in the second week. It is the side I see more than anything and also the one everyone talks about. I don't reach much until 25-35 days for me but I also run high Test doses. Seems to me your sides would be stronger than what you describe. WHY did you lower the dose? ...crazy mike

No night sweats, and it seems like everyone gets night sweats lol. I'm getting the insomnia. But, I also sleep with the window open and a fan going at night. So when I wake up i'm freezing.

This is my first time running tren and I think 300mg/week is a good starting point. I upped it to 450 mg/week because I was impatient. I was a little worried about the tren coming around and kicking my ass lol, so I figured it would be wise to lower it back down to 300mg/week.

Maybe, I haven't given it enough time? Today is day 30.

[Capebuffalo]

For sure, I knew I missed something lol.
5'8. 180 pounds. 11-12% BF.

Routine is fairly basic.
Day 1: chest/tris
Day2: back/bis
day 3: rest.
Day 4: legs
Day 5: shoulder/arms
Day 6: core
day 7: rest.
Repeat.

I change things up here and there, it's not set in stone. After this weekend I'm going to switch to the phat routine, and see how that goes.

Diet is usually pretty good. No problem putting on weight or losing weight.

A typical day would be:

Meal 1: eggs + toast + protein shake + milk (or oatmeal instead of eggs)
Meal 2: yogurt + some other snack.
Meal 3: 1-2 pbj sandwiches + milk.
Meal 4: Dinner - always meat and I eat a lot.
Meal 5: protein shake + millk.

Throw in some noodles/tuna/cereal, etc in between meals.

Physical activities for work differ each day. So if I'm moving I'll have a bag of nuts and munch on those all day. And eat more. And I eat less on days where I'm not very active. Days when I'm rushing and feel like I haven't ate enough, I'll grab a burger or a sub from some fast food place. Every day is always different. I used to be super strict about counting cals at one point, so I have a fairly good idea on how much I'm consuming.

3-6 litres of water a day.

Though, I will admit that the past week, my diet has gone to shit. Family was down visiting. Very long days and getting little sleep really burns you out. + I got food poisoning a couple days ago lol. Tomorrow things should be back to normal.


No night sweats, and it seems like everyone gets night sweats lol. I'm getting the insomnia. But, I also sleep with the window open and a fan going at night. So when I wake up i'm freezing.

This is my first time running tren and I think 300mg/week is a good starting point. I upped it to 450 mg/week because I was impatient. I was a little worried about the tren coming around and kicking my ass lol, so I figured it would be wise to lower it back down to 300mg/week.

Maybe, I haven't given it enough time? Today is day 30.

Man your diet is the problem. You are not eating enough. I have more caloriws than your whole day in my frist 2 meals. Do you know your tdee? What's the macro break down of the food you listed?

You need to head to the nutrition section.

[boxer08]

The dose of test p is to low per week, 100mg EOD would be better and the tren 75mg Eod. The diet needs lots of working on, i aint more than that during a big cut

[Capebuffalo]

The dose of test p is to low per week, 100mg EOD would be better and the tren 75mg Eod. The diet needs lots of working on, i aint more than that during a big cut

I like to run tren higher than test but you're right that is low.
I would up it as well like boxer recommends.

Diet diet diet.

[kawasaki]

I eat 7 times a day . 2 lbs is just fish and chicken . You have to eat to get big I'm 6'2" 255 lbs off cycle now 15% BF .

[Zero Mango]

With regards to your first cycle and not seeing much results, I did a 600mg test e cycle very recently (my first). I only saw a permanent weight gain of 10lbs but it was all muscle. I didn't gain an ounce of fat either but my diet was very lean and high in protein. I was going to muscle and strength I don't was to get huge. I weight 200 right now and I am happy at that weight but I do want to be ripped and strong as **** at 200. Anyways, what I did see was a big increase in strength and shape from that cycle. Also bare in mind that if you are not in top shape when you start a cycle you will be wasting that much more time to get into your top shape. I did a bit of that too but I was not patient enough to spend 2 years to get there. Juice got me there in 3 months. Let the flaming begin....

[JinNtonic]

Your running short ester and you cant feel it 28 days in? Not good.

[base4291ball]

For sure, I knew I missed something lol.
5'8. 180 pounds. 11-12% BF.

Routine is fairly basic.
Day 1: chest/tris
Day2: back/bis
day 3: rest.
Day 4: legs
Day 5: shoulder/arms
Day 6: core
day 7: rest.
Repeat.

I change things up here and there, it's not set in stone. After this weekend I'm going to switch to the phat routine, and see how that goes.

Diet is usually pretty good. No problem putting on weight or losing weight.

A typical day would be:

Meal 1: eggs + toast + protein shake + milk (or oatmeal instead of eggs)
Meal 2: yogurt + some other snack.
Meal 3: 1-2 pbj sandwiches + milk.
Meal 4: Dinner - always meat and I eat a lot.
Meal 5: protein shake + millk.

Throw in some noodles/tuna/cereal, etc in between meals.

Physical activities for work differ each day. So if I'm moving I'll have a bag of nuts and munch on those all day. And eat more. And I eat less on days where I'm not very active. Days when I'm rushing and feel like I haven't ate enough, I'll grab a burger or a sub from some fast food place. Every day is always different. I used to be super strict about counting cals at one point, so I have a fairly good idea on how much I'm consuming.

3-6 litres of water a day.

Though, I will admit that the past week, my diet has gone to shit. Family was down visiting. Very long days and getting little sleep really burns you out. + I got food poisoning a couple days ago lol. Tomorrow things should be back to normal.

No night sweats, and it seems like everyone gets night sweats lol. I'm getting the insomnia. But, I also sleep with the window open and a fan going at night. So when I wake up i'm freezing.

This is my first time running tren and I think 300mg/week is a good starting point. I upped it to 450 mg/week because I was impatient. I was a little worried about the tren coming around and kicking my ass lol, so I figured it would be wise to lower it back down to 300mg/week.

Maybe, I haven't given it enough time? Today is day 30.

Yeah what cape said. Your diet is the problem. I eat more calories and same protein intake you do for the whole day in my breakfast and mid-morning "snack". Definitely your diet. You get your diet right and there's nothing else your body can do but add on lbs. If you need anything or have any other questions maybe we didn't cover or maybe you're still concerned about these fine people here will help you out. Good luck!

[diabolicsoul]

Okay, I upped my calories, like most people here suggested. Roughly 1k more. And will adjust as needed. My diet that I posted allowed me to maintain 180 pounds, while getting a little leaner. Now I should be gaining around 1-2 pounds a week. My goal is to make lean gains, and keep the bodyfat to a minimal. I'll be a little more forgiving on the bodyfat during PCT though.

I came to the conclusion that the tren is legit, but very severly underdosed. So I upped my test prop from 150mg/week up to 500mg/week. I'm on day 5 of that, so it's still a little too soon to tell, but all I heard was good things about the test from my lab and 50/50 for the tren.

I upped my tren to 500mg/week. So maybe I can get a little from it, and keep off some of the bloat I might get from the test?


A question: How poorly could a person react to steroids? Comparing two people with the same stats, what could be the difference if one person has reacts to gear very well and the other very poorly? Too vague of a question?

[kawasaki]

Did you order some much needed Stane ? And 500 mgs of test a week is good better if you make 2 shots a week of it 250-250 .

[ironbeck]

You should feel something by now!

[crazy mike]

As said. Not enough calories no matter what you're eating. Your dose of Test was too low and you have upped it, Good. However I do better using the Test p in the early stages with the Test E as a better more stable base. Your Tren might well be underdoes. Hang in there and get that BW.

AS I say the Tren is what it is, but you would have been doing much, much better w/more Test ...crazy mike

[diabolicsoul]

So after upping the test prop to 500mg/week. I'm starting to see results now. Weight I haven't lifted before is surprisingly light. Pumps are great, getting them from doing everyday chores.

The tren is surprisingly underdosed. Very severely underdosed. It's legit, but 400mg/weekly it and I'm not really seeing anything. But it is what it is.

Thanks for the advice guys, much appreciated.

[marcus300]

Your not eating enough food and probably not training correctly and overloading your muscle to stimulate growth.

[kawasaki]

Want to get big eat more. What happen to my pic I posted

[kawasaki]

You have to eat a lot of clean food I'm 6'1" 255 lbs as you can see from my neck I'm lean to

[Deltaviking]

If the tren was dosed accurately, you would know it at 400mg. I think that's a little high for a first timer on tren. Sounds like you need a new source to be honest