25 years old, been self-medicating for two years

[Charlie6]

I started doing cycles of test and deca around age 20 and two years ago started self-medicating with TRT. I just got bloodwork done this morning and I will post the results when I get them in a few days. This is the first time I've gotten bloodwork done. I haven't gone to see an endo about this because I've always been paranoid about what it will do to my insurance premiums (plus I've been under my parents insurance and don't want them to open my mail and see something about this). Since the Affordable Care Act has come into effect, I feel better about bringing this to the forefront. I guess my question is, how do you think this will play out? Would an endo try to run PCT for several months first? Should I see my primary care doc about this first? Will he sit there and rip me a new one for what I've been doing? I'm not looking for a lecture from them, as you can imagine. What I'd like to do is simply be prescribed test and HCG and continue on with my life. What are my odds of this? Also, what are the odds of my HPTA going back to normal in the first place? Most of the last year was a cruise around 250mg/wk test e and lately I've lowered that number. Today I started injecting 50mg 2x/week of test e sub q, and will see how this goes until I can see a doc. Thanks for your time.

[Charlie6]

Follow up questions: 1) why is it that when I hit Enter on my keyboard while writing these posts, the curser doesn't tab down to a new paragraph? 2) How long does it take for sub q to catch up to proper levels? Should I continue to combine IM and SQ for four weeks to allow this? 3) When will people start to try injecting other hormones like deca or tren via Sub Q route? Sounds like an interesting concept..

[NWIron]

I'm in a similar situation. 27, been on doc prescribed TRT for 3yrs. Word to the wise, 250/wk is not sustainable IMO. Sounds like you found that out though. Endo will likely give you a script for test. NO doubt you are now suffering from hypogonadism. HCG….eh….it took me a few months to get my endo to consider that. And it's pretty expensive even w/ insurance. Right now I am trying a restart….no test. Using 200iu HCG daily, 25mg Clomid, and .25 Adex daily. I will get BW done in a month or so. Crossing my fingers. I was scared to come off for a long time, but it hasn't been that bad dude. Do you plan on having kids?

NW

[Charlie6]

Thanks for your reply, NWIron, keep me posted on how your recovery goes. I'd say I plan on having kids but not for a while. You really think an endo will be that quick to prescribe test? You don't think they'll try an aggressive PCT for me first? I'm nervous to come off and try PCT because I don't want to feel like shit for several months with no sex drive etc etc. I should be honest about my steroid use, right? I just got bloodwork done but ordered the wrong estradiol test (I didn't do the sensitive array) so I'll see how free and total test turn out.

[powerlifterty16]

y advice..stop ****ing around, get on some hcg, and clomid, and i think you will be restarted. 25 is too young to be ****ing with your endocrine system cruising on 250mg

[Charlie6]

y advice..stop ****ing around, get on some hcg, and clomid, and i think you will be restarted. 25 is too young to be ****ing with your endocrine system cruising on 250mg

I know this is the proper advice to take, and I'd like to take this advice, especially as I'll be returning to school soon and will have to do an internship and don't want to sneak around with test. I think it'd be best to do it under a doctor's supervision. I was just sort of asking how this sort of thing would typically play out, seeing as how I'd have to walk in there and admit to heavy steroid use and go from there. I assume that I can't do lowtestosterone.com since I'm under 30?

[powerlifterty16]

I know this is the proper advice to take, and I'd like to take this advice, especially as I'll be returning to school soon and will have to do an internship and don't want to sneak around with test. I think it'd be best to do it under a doctor's supervision. I was just sort of asking how this sort of thing would typically play out, seeing as how I'd have to walk in there and admit to heavy steroid use and go from there. I assume that I can't do lowtestosterone.com since I'm under 30?

lowt accepts patients in their 20s, but you need a medical cause. your cause is from taking steroids and shutting yourself down. ehy dont you try to get a dr to aggressivly pct you, and not be on trt forever? i have low t without ever doing steroids and im still not doing trt..ive had low t since 18 and im turning 24 soon.

[Charlie6]

What are you doing to combat your low t?

[powerlifterty16]

What are you doing to combat your low t?

right now im on hcg 400 iu 3x per week...but the doc im seeing is very bad, and doesnt want to give it long term, so i may have to see someone else. I's beena struggle trying to find a good dr in my insurance plan, even when i had better insurance, it was hard.

[Charlie6]

so you're trying to find a doc who will prescribe an intensive PCT for you? Or you're looking for trt?

[powerlifterty16]

so you're trying to find a doc who will prescribe an intensive PCT for you? Or you're looking for trt?

just want to stay on hcg mono right now

[dreadnok89]

Is hcg and chlomid at same time OK?

[Charlie6]

for pct? I think usually people stop HCG once pct starts since hcg will further suppress LH production.

[dreadnok89]

So what good is hcg mono therapy then? Or does your lh come back easily

[Charlie6]

That's a good question. Honestly, we'll have to see if someone more knowledgeable chimes in

[jomamma007]

So what good is hcg mono therapy then? Or does your lh come back easily

HCG stimulates your LH. It will boost most peoples testosterone levels a few hundered points if secondary. But for pct use it kick starts your boys so when you take clomid or nolva after they can receive the signals and do their thing more efficiently./

[NWIron]

Well I am currently on 200iu HCG/.25 adex/25mg clomid ED and not feeling great. I have been off test officially for only two weeks. I took about 75mgs two weeks ago (long story). Before that I had been off for about 5wks with no meds at all. My erection quality is low, mood is low, and just dull feeling. Not to mention I have a few high maintenance girls I am trying to wrap my mind around. It IS manageable though and def worth a shot. I will be getting BW in a few weeks to see where Im at. Peptides did seem to help with mood however, specifically cjc No dac and ipam, great well being booster.

NW

[powerlifterty16]

dread, i was on hcg for 6 weeks and 15 weeks after i came off my lh waa 6.8....lowtmike also told me that hcg could boost not suppress it...im on hcg mono now and feel no different, but atleast i know i have good t levels..or i will once i get blood checked in 4-8 weeks

[dreadnok89]

HCG stimulates your LH. It will boost most peoples testosterone levels a few hundered points if secondary. But for pct use it kick starts your boys so when you take clomid or nolva after they can receive the signals and do their thing more efficiently./

So stop hcg while your on chlomid then when your running you can supplement with hcg?

[Charlie6]

Test Name Result Flag Reference Range Lab
CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 8.4 3.4-10.8 x10E3/uL RN
RBC 6.25 HIGH 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL RN
Hemoglobin 19.6 HIGH 12.6-17.7 g/dL RN
Hematocrit 57.7 HIGH 37.5-51.0 % RN
MCV 92 79-97 fL RN
MCH 31.4 26.6-33.0 pg RN
MCHC 34.0 31.5-35.7 g/dL RN
RDW 13.5 12.3-15.4 % RN
Platelets 172 155-379 x10E3/uL RN
Neutrophils 69 40-74 % RN
Lymphs 19 14-46 % RN
Monocytes 10 4-12 % RN
Eos 1 0-5 % RN
Basos 1 0-3 % RN
Neutrophils (Absolute) 5.8 1.4-7.0 x10E3/uL RN
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.6 0.7-3.1 x10E3/uL RN
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.8 0.1-0.9 x10E3/uL RN
Eos (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL RN
Baso (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL RN
Immature Granulocytes 0 0-2 % RN
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL RN
Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose, Serum 94 65-99 mg/dL RN
BUN 13 6-20 mg/dL RN
Creatinine, Serum 1.23 0.76-1.27 mg/dL RN
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 81 >59 mL/min/1.73 RN
eGFR If Africn Am 94 >59 mL/min/1.73 RN
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 11 8-19 RN
Sodium, Serum 137 134-144 mmol/L RN
Potassium, Serum 4.0 3.5-5.2 mmol/L RN
Chloride, Serum 99 97-108 mmol/L RN
Carbon Dioxide, Total 20 19-28 mmol/L RN
Calcium, Serum 9.4 8.7-10.2 mg/dL RN
Protein, Total, Serum 7.3 6.0-8.5 g/dL RN
Albumin, Serum 4.6 3.5-5.5 g/dL RN
Globulin, Total 2.7 1.5-4.5 g/dL RN
A/G Ratio 1.7 1.1-2.5 RN
Bilirubin, Total 0.6 0.0-1.2 mg/dL RN
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 69 44-102 IU/L RN
AST (SGOT) 30 0-40 IU/L RN
ALT (SGPT) 48 HIGH 0-44 IU/L RN
Lipid Panel
Cholesterol, Total 192 100-199 mg/dL RN
Triglycerides 110 0-149 mg/dL RN
HDL Cholesterol 43 >39 mg/dL RN
According to ATP-III Guidelines, HDL-C >59 mg/dL is considered a
negative risk factor for CHD.
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 22 5-40 mg/dL RN
LDL Cholesterol Calc 127 HIGH 0-99 mg/dL RN
Thyroid Panel With TSH
1 of 2
TSH 2.590 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL RN
Thyroxine (T4) 5.7 4.5-12.0 ug/dL RN
T3 Uptake 35 24-39 % RN
Free Thyroxine Index 2.0 1.2-4.9 RN
Testosterone, Free+Total LC/MS
Testosterone, Total, LC/MS 1157.1 348.0-1197.0 ng/dL BN
Free Testosterone(Direct) 48.8 HIGH 9.3-26.5 pg/mL RN
Estradiol
Estradiol 59.0 HIGH 7.6-42.6 pg/mL RN
Roche ECLIA methodology
IGF-1
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I 306 83-344 ng/mL BN
Performing Laboratory Information:
RN: LabCorp Raritan, 69 First Avenue, Raritan NJ, phone: 800-631-5250
Medical Director: MD Araceli B Reyes
BN: LabCorp Burlington, 1447 York Court, Burlington NC, phone: 800-762-4344
Medical Director:

[Charlie6]

There are my labs, finally. PLease note that estradiol test was the wrong one...this was not the sensitive assay. Please offer any advice. Thanks