For those who train in the morning before eating..

[dumbelle]

Do you have a bigger meal before bed? Would some fruit and a blend of whey/casein be beneficial? I mean for those who lift in the mornings, not fasted cardio.
Thanks!

[bass]

no, just your regular meal based on your diet. I don't know many people who lift in the morning, most lift afternoon and evening. this allows the body to loosen up and have enough nutrients to support the muscles.

[Back In Black]

I lift at 8am.

I eat 40g protein and 10g fat at 6.45am

My final meal the day/night before is carb heavy. In fact, I eat all my carbs post meridian.

Works well for me, no strength or energy drop off occurred when I stopped taking pre workout carbs.

[bass]

I lift at 8am.

I eat 40g protein and 10g fat at 6.45am

My final meal the day/night before is carb heavy. In fact, I eat all my carbs post meridian.

Works well for me, no strength or energy drop off occurred when I stopped taking pre workout carbs.

that's cool! I heard most people complain about being stiff in the morning and it takes a while to loosen up. maybe this is more for old fogies like me. how do you compare it to evening workouts?

[Back In Black]

that's cool! I heard most people complain about being stiff in the morning and it takes a while to loosen up. maybe this is more for old fogies like me. how do you compare it to evening workouts?

I'm more stiff in winter that's for sure, I'm not as old as you but still in my 40's so no young pup

I always used to train early afternoon because it was when I felt strongest as much as it fitting in with my life. When I made the change I never noticed a difference. Actually I did, but that was because I was trying to cram carbs into my pre workout meal and i never left enough time for it to settle. Once I'd dropped the carbs it was a breeze.

Now then, I do train at 8am it's true but I am out of bed 90 minutes before.

Added bonus, the gym is soooooo much quieter at that time of day

[Bodacious]

Eat half sweet potato around 11 with protein shake. Get to bed around one AM. Try to b up at 9 and at the gym by 10 don't eat before going to gym. I do good with it.

[gbrice75]

I train at 6:30am and have been doing so in a fasted state for the past few months. My last meal (which is carbless) is around 5pm the night prior. No strength or muscle loss. Epinephrine can work wonders!

[bass]

6:30am! damn that's early to even walk to the bathroom! LOL

[theRZA]

There are actually some benefits to training fasted. I don't remember the exact laundry list, but one of them is increased growth hormone excretion. My opinion would be to eat normally at night, and just take some BCAA's 10-15 minutes before you hit the weights. I did this while on an intermittent fasting protocol and broke most of my PR's. After the first few workouts I actually grew to prefer working out fasted. Just carb up PWO.

[kelkel]

I train at 6:30am and have been doing so in a fasted state for the past few months. My last meal (which is carbless) is around 5pm the night prior. No strength or muscle loss. Epinephrine can work wonders!

GB see your doctor. You need help brother.

[Giggle]

This is a great question!
I've been trying to train in the early morning for the last month, but I still haven't figured out the pre-and post-nutrition part.
For Pre - What do you all think about starting with an Amino tab and a shake with 20 gm protein and 30 gm carb?
And then for Post - I've been doing an omelet with 2 slices of Ezekiel bread.

Any thoughts?

[tarmyg]

There are actually some benefits to training fasted. I don't remember the exact laundry list, but one of them is increased growth hormone excretion. —> SNIPP

Claming ANY benefits to fasted workout is simply not true. However, if that works for you keep doing it but claming any benefits that would have scientific backing is wrong!

Thanks
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[JinNtonic]

This is a great question!
I've been trying to train in the early morning for the last month, but I still haven't figured out the pre-and post-nutrition part.
For Pre - What do you all think about starting with an Amino tab and a shake with 20 gm protein and 30 gm carb?
And then for Post - I've been doing an omelet with 2 slices of Ezekiel bread.

Any thoughts?

I don't train in the morning. But if I did this is how I would do it. Shake pre, and meal post.

[kronik420]

i have to eat before i train, otherwise i feel sick...

[gbrice75]

GB see your doctor. You need help brother.

lol, thank you sir. Honestly, I very much prefer to train in the late afternoon/evening, but my schedule just doesn't allow for it. Unfortunately, first thing in the morning is the only opportunity I have, and I've been training at that time for 5 years straight now. I partly attribute my (self described) lack of progress to this, because on the rare occasions I have been able to train later in the day, intensity was through the roof as compared to my usual mornings.

This is a great question!
I've been trying to train in the early morning for the last month, but I still haven't figured out the pre-and post-nutrition part.
For Pre - What do you all think about starting with an Amino tab and a shake with 20 gm protein and 30 gm carb?
And then for Post - I've been doing an omelet with 2 slices of Ezekiel bread.

Any thoughts?

It really depends on why you're eating (or not) preworkout. I choose to train fasted simply because of the time of day (6:30am) I train. Eating a meal at 6am isn't going to do me any good with regard to energy, intensity, etc. because there just isn't enough time for the digestion process to run it's course. I'm not going to wake up 1.5-2 hours early just to eat... so I train fasted.

If you are in a position to allow enough time between a preworkout meal and your training session (ideally, 1.5-2 hours), I like training in the fed state. Otherwise, I like to train in a complete fasted state and take advantage of the hormonal response to fasting (i.e. epinephrine/norepinephrine rising, providing energy, focus, etc.)

Claming ANY benefits to fasted workout is simply not true. However, if that works for you keep doing it but claming any benefits that would have scientific backing is wrong!

Says who? What are you basing this on?

If you know me at all, you know I hate blanket statements and absolutes.

[kelkel]

I hear you GB! I had to do it for a period of time as well. Heavy squats at 0730 is not fun. Not in the least bit.

[gbrice75]

I hear you GB! I had to do it for a period of time as well. Heavy squats at 0730 is not fun. Not in the least bit.

lol! I got a 'compliment' (depending on how you look at it) last week... I was in the squat rack with 315lbs on my back for my last warmup set. A guy I've chatted with a bit here and there said "people are gonna start whispering... only the juice monkeys squat 315lbs at 6:30am on a Monday morning!!" I told him that if they're whispering about my warmup set, my working sets will have them screaming!!

[Giggle]

Thanks, Jin. Appreciate the input.

I don't train in the morning. But if I did this is how I would do it. Shake pre, and meal post.

[Giggle]

Honestly, I very much prefer to train in the late afternoon/evening, but my schedule just doesn't allow for it. Unfortunately, first thing in the morning is the only opportunity I have.
really depends on why you're eating (or not) preworkout. I choose to train fasted simply because of the time of day (6:30am) I train. Eating a meal at 6am isn't going to do me any good with regard to energy, intensity, etc. because there just isn't enough time for the digestion process to run it's course. I'm not going to wake up 1.5-2 hours early just to eat... so I train fasted.

If you are in a position to allow enough time between a preworkout meal and your training session (ideally, 1.5-2 hours), I like training in the fed state. Otherwise, I like to train in a complete fasted state and take advantage of the hormonal response to fasting (i.e. epinephrine/norepinephrine rising, providing energy, focus, etc.)

Thanks for that. I leave for work pretty early so I'm never going to be able to eat and digest before I train. I'll see how it goes, and try it fasted too to compare.

[kelkel]

lol! I got a 'compliment' (depending on how you look at it) last week... I was in the squat rack with 315lbs on my back for my last warmup set. A guy I've chatted with a bit here and there said "people are gonna start whispering... only the juice monkeys squat 315lbs at 6:30am on a Monday morning!!" I told him that if they're whispering about my warmup set, my working sets will have them screaming!!

Nice!

[gbrice75]

Thanks for that. I leave for work pretty early so I'm never going to be able to eat and digest before I train. I'll see how it goes, and try it fasted too to compare.

Trust me, I understand, lol. When I started training fasted, I expected to feel lethargic, sluggish, weak, etc. I was surprised that it was quite the opposite - I actually had some of the most intense workouts of my life. I had energy, focus, intensity, etc. Proof of the hormonal response to fasting.

Keep me posted if you don't mind!

[dumbelle]

I usually train around 530am, I haven't had any problems yet but my workouts are fairly short (35 minutes or so). My boyfriend lives in a different city so when we get together we usually workout in the evenings, but I'm so OCD with my meal planning structure that I wanted to see if it would be beneficial to have the same shake morning and evening. Not sure if that makes sense haha but for some reason it would ease my mind rather than alternating meals depending on if I'm seeing him or not. Thank you for your opinions everyone

[Juced_porkchop]

Do you have a bigger meal before bed? Would some fruit and a blend of whey/casein be beneficial? I mean for those who lift in the mornings, not fasted cardio.
Thanks!

I can never lift without eating something, even just a banana and small protein drink. if i eat too much then i get lazy. i eat normal pre-bed. but do tend to eat pretty late, but 2hrs before bed i keep meals/snacks small to i dont end up puking like has happened from eating too much then laying down and my body saying !!WTF!!!.

[tarmyg]

Says who? What are you basing this on?

If you know me at all, you know I hate blanket statements and absolutes.

Must admit I do not know you that well but I have never seen you make a blanket statement and everything seems well considered before you comment.

As I know you do not know me that well either I can assure you I would never make a statement on something that I had not read extensively about and, in my opinion, had some sort of scientific backing.

Here is my post regarding Fasted Cardio: http://forums.steroid.com/lifting-te...-fat-loss.html I have never seen a more detailed examnination on the subject ever but I am always open for new ideas if there is something to back it up. All this to the side, if someone like doing fasted cardio because it makes them feel good then keep doing it. Each to his own!


Thanks
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[theRZA]

Must admit I do not know you that well but I have never seen you make a blanket statement and everything seems well considered before you comment.

As I know you do not know me that well either I can assure you I would never make a statement on something that I had not read extensively about and, in my opinion, had some sort of scientific backing.

Here is my post regarding Fasted Cardio: http://forums.steroid.com/lifting-te...-fat-loss.html I have never seen a more detailed examnination on the subject ever but I am always open for new ideas if there is something to back it up. All this to the side, if someone like doing fasted cardio because it makes them feel good then keep doing it. Each to his own!


Thanks
~T

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I wasn't making any explicit claims. All I said was I read studies in the past that showed benefits. Not sure why you felt the need to blatantly refute my claims instead of asking me to find what I've read...

Take a look.

Exercise in the fasted state facilitates fibre type-specific intramyocellular lipid breakdown and stimulates glycogen resynthesis in humans

[gbrice75]

Must admit I do not know you that well but I have never seen you make a blanket statement and everything seems well considered before you comment.

As I know you do not know me that well either I can assure you I would never make a statement on something that I had not read extensively about and, in my opinion, had some sort of scientific backing.

Here is my post regarding Fasted Cardio: http://forums.steroid.com/lifting-te...-fat-loss.html I have never seen a more detailed examnination on the subject ever but I am always open for new ideas if there is something to back it up. All this to the side, if someone like doing fasted cardio because it makes them feel good then keep doing it. Each to his own!


Thanks
~T

First, are you talking about fasted cardio, or fasted weight training? I was referring to the latter (although I personally do still find benefit in doing fasted cardio, but to each his own).

See, that's the problem with studies. For every one, there are 5 more 'proving' the exact opposite claims.

[theRZA]

First, are you talking about fasted cardio, or fasted weight training? I was referring to the latter (although I personally do still find benefit in doing fasted cardio, but to each his own).

See, that's the problem with studies. For every one, there are 5 more 'proving' the exact opposite claims.

Well this study incorporates a "crossfit" style of exercise. While not quite weight training, it is still high intensity which can be related to weight training. Unfortunately there are never any studies that "prove" anything, only evidence towards a claim..and most of the time the methods used are so specific that they can't exactly be generalized. This study isn't directly applicable, but it would be naive to think that a similar effect is not found during fasted weight training given it's similarities.

If only more people would do studies on high intensity weight training instead of using inso-facto type claims, that usually tend to be a stretch.

Moral of the story: question everything.

[gbrice75]

Moral of the story: question everything.

Well said my friend, well said. This has been my motto forever now.

[basketballfan22]

Because I need to eat so much in a day, I definitely can't afford going to the gym on an empty stomach. For the 5 going on 6 years that I have been working out, I have always went to the gym in the afternoon and evening. Now with my new job though, I find that I just don't have the energy to go to the gym in the evening to lift (this is pathetic considering I am on a keyboard all day); consequently I wake up at 4:30 AM (probably don't actually get up until almost 5) and make my standard breakfast (≈850 Calories). I am usually at the gym by 6, and I am done with my workout by about 7:15. The thought of lifting on an empty stomach scares me though, lol. I guess I just assumed our bodies would be able to maximize a workout more with food (and consequently energy) in it than without it.

[theRZA]

try it once, see how you like it then you can make a better judgement based on your body. if you do try it dont forget to take some bcaa's!

[Giggle]

Thank you Brice - I will. I love reading your posts/threads, and I've learned so much from you.

Trust me, I understand, lol. When I started training fasted, I expected to feel lethargic, sluggish, weak, etc. I was surprised that it was quite the opposite - I actually had some of the most intense workouts of my life. I had energy, focus, intensity, etc. Proof of the hormonal response to fasting.

Keep me posted if you don't mind!

[tarmyg]

I wasn't making any explicit claims. All I said was I read studies in the past that showed benefits. Not sure why you felt the need to blatantly refute my claims instead of asking me to find what I've read...

Take a look.

Exercise in the fasted state facilitates fibre type-specific intramyocellular lipid breakdown and stimulates glycogen resynthesis in humans

Very interesting, had not seen this one. So if I want to reduce Intramuscular fat I will need to do >2h of cardio where I have not consumed carbs beforehand.

Thanks
~T

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[tarmyg]

First, are you talking about fasted cardio, or fasted weight training? I was referring to the latter (although I personally do still find benefit in doing fasted cardio, but to each his own).

See, that's the problem with studies. For every one, there are 5 more 'proving' the exact opposite claims.

I should have been more specific. My apologies!

Thanks
~T

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[gbrice75]

Thank you Brice - I will. I love reading your posts/threads, and I've learned so much from you.

Thanks G!!

[mockery]

since learning about training fasted first thing in the morning i could never go back to training in the evening or through out the day. Stronger, feel better and it helps makes my day better.

[jfiftyone]

I wake up at 545 take half of scoop of protien with 1/4 cup of oats shake and drink. Start to work out at 630, finish at pwo meal at 9. On non carb days I just drink protein for pre wo. Works for me

[Beethoven]

Man I'm just not a morning person. I've done so in the past out of necessity, and have only felt the fasted state on leg day. I used to have a pre workout shake but I read somewhere that if you were digesting and working out, your stomach and muscles being worked would be competing for blood flow. Would that be the case?

[gbrice75]

I read somewhere that if you were digesting and working out, your stomach and muscles being worked would be competing for blood flow. Would that be the case?

Definitely, although I don't know that it would be to a degree that would negatively impact either, at least that you'd notice. Ideally, we'd eat 1.5 - 2 hours prior to training.

[Beethoven]

Got it. Thanks GB.

[Ctits23]

i never train(lifting weights) on empty stomach. to weak to make make gains and potential for injury. now cardio on empty stomach is different story which i do quite often. but even then i will take in amino acids and/or protein shake. no one should not eat before training with weights