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    Vaser Liposuccion and steroids

    Hello,
    I recently saw a new aesthetics method.
    Its called Vaser Lipo, maybe you know what its all about.
    I was wondering if its the real deal for a bodybuilder, especially for whom has very localized fat retention.
    From what I understood, they will quit fat cells in certain areas, and put them strategically in others, so even if it sounds crazy, the more fat you get, the more you’ll get aesthetic, the abbs will grow and obliques too, biceps, pecs, legs, but love handles and lower belly will remain like 0% BF.
    It sounds great, even there will be some kind of limit, maybe 16-17% BF, then It will look too artificial I assume.
    It would be great for offseason, where you are natural, but want still look good year round.
    Because in my case, I still have some love handles at <8%BF, and it really sucks, I hate that.
    And it would be great too for bulking without worrying to get unaesthetic.
    Do someone knows something closer about it???
    BTW, it would be maybe cheaper and healthier, tan run year-round HGH for fat loss

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    Have you considering cardio and eating less?
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Have you considering cardio and eating less?
    Aust ! Jw whats the plaster for on your mom's abs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiid13 View Post
    Aust ! Jw whats the plaster for on your mom's abs
    Hernia. Surgery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XxAndreaxX View Post
    Hello,
    I recently saw a new aesthetics method.
    Its called Vaser Lipo, maybe you know what its all about.
    Dude this is just not cool , if your a bodybuilder , athlete competetor or just a health freak then I dont see why you'd even consider this crap , spend those thousands on whole proper food , maybe some naughty supplements and a gym membership.

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    Hernia. Surgery.
    Ahh , shes a trooper bet it didnt even effect her in gym : p

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    It's not great for anytime of the year. If someone is this lazy and considering this as an option, than you do not belong on this board. Commit to nutrition and training and stop looking for half assed easy answers to everything. This is as ridiculous as a young Korean kid who once told he was considering cosmetic surgery to have artificial abs implanted!!!

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    Hi, its not for me, Its a general question, if it could be good for a bodybuilder who wants to stay aesthetic year round.
    I saw some videos on the net, and its interesting, looking at that people who never touched a weight and look like a Pro.
    Ok its a joke, they don’t look like a Pro, but better than many people even using and abusing steroids.
    Austinite, that’s a stupid answer IMO, its logical, you can eat less and do some cutting diet. But explain that to Bostin Loyd. If you’re bulking, you retain some fat, and you get a round belly, even if you stay within 15% BF. If you’re Bulking, you won’t eat less!
    Don’t know, was just curious. Get rid from that bothering localized fat, having a better shape with 10%BF instead of 6% maybe

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    I agree at some point with OP

    Even if my BF is not that high I have some atubborn area who really piss me off.
    I dont mind being 15% as long as my fat is well placed.

    Of course I will first get under 10% and see from there.
    but even at low Bf some area can be fatter than others.
    In that circumstance I do believe that liposuction is a valid option as a gyno removal surgery is.

    he could simply get to 4% year round if he want to get rid of gyno why get an operation!!
    Its a stupid way to think it for gyno so why would it be different for other stubborn area??

    I do not respect those who use that method to look fit without doing any effort. But you have to remember that we cant fix everything by dieting.

    Its very small minded to automaticly attack a method when their is a valid reason to do so, if the circumstance are appropriate.

    And austinite you said yourself that we cant lose fat in a specific area more than others. So the only way to lose it would be by surgery.

    just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Hernia. Surgery.
    I would have done that surgery for your mom "hands" free!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPTUK View Post
    doesn't work I tried it! Yeah you might get down to 10% but for a natty (especially with not great genetics) u will just end up with no muscle and look either anorexic or at best light a bantamweight boxer.
    Fat doesn't build up overnight and it won't go away overnight. It takes time, patience and discipline. Not throwing in the towel that quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qscgugcsq
    I agree at some point with OP

    Even if my BF is not that high I have some atubborn area who really piss me off.
    I dont mind being 15% as long as my fat is well placed.

    Of course I will first get under 10% and see from there.
    but even at low Bf some area can be fatter than others.
    In that circumstance I do believe that liposuction is a valid option as a gyno removal surgery is.

    he could simply get to 4% year round if he want to get rid of gyno why get an operation!!
    Its a stupid way to think it for gyno so why would it be different for other stubborn area??

    I do not respect those who use that method to look fit without doing any effort. But you have to remember that we cant fix everything by dieting.

    Its very small minded to automaticly attack a method when their is a valid reason to do so, if the circumstance are appropriate.

    And austinite you said yourself that we cant lose fat in a specific area more than others. So the only way to lose it would be by surgery.

    just my opinion
    Small minded are those that believe dieting can't get you there. BS. You're weak and gutless and don't have the discipline to do it. Don't use the excuse that "I can't". That's just being a pessimist and giving up without trying.

    I'm not buying into the lipo crap no matter how you package ad sell it. Put a pretty bow on it if it pleases you and try to convince me my mind is narrow (good luck with that endeavor). The only time I would endorse such a procedure was if it was life saving in nature for someone clearly morbidly obese and even then the risks of such a procedure for someone in that category would have to be carefully weighed against the benefits.

    Is getting below 10% bf easy? Of course not. If it was, most people would be below 10%. It takes absolute commitment and determination and many people lack it. I have far more respect and admiration for someone who disciplines themselves to a lifestyle that results in less than 10% bf than someone who whines that its "too hard" and wants someone to suck the fat out of them. We make ourselves fat by our lifestyle choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPTUK View Post
    doesn't work I tried it! Yeah you might get down to 10% but for a natty (especially with not great genetics) u will just end up with no muscle and look either anorexic or at best light a bantamweight boxer.
    Now Austinite and Markus will answer you, Because you diet wrong. Learn dieting and you see you don’t even need roids, because you can get Lazar Angelov’s body EASILY natural, EVERYONE with a good diet and work out right, hahahaha.
    Now seriously, everyone is different. If you markus and Austinite, are so godblessed, that you can get like lazar naturally, wow, good for you.
    I can get a real low BF, and have the most extreme abs here in my town. But when my friends ask me how to get them, I don’t say, you have to sex everyday, and diet, because I know my abs are not like that due my workout and diet, that’s all about genetics.
    I can stay at 15% BF, and my abs are still there, I don’t store fat on my abs, but at 15% you take a photo of me against sunlight, and you may think I’m a woman, because I store all the fat, people normally store on their abs, or between the muscles and intestines, on my love handles. And its freakin frustrating, My hips at >12% are larger than my shoulders.
    I should stay year-round below 10% to have a “man’s shape”, the famous V shape.

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    I think vaser lip is an awesome....

    Also the can take fat from your hips and shit and stick it in like your upper and lower peck apparently making your chest look awesome.
    Awesome? Compared to what?

    Sounds like a cheap boob job... Whatever floats yer boat, but no thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPTUK View Post
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    Kelkel,

    Look at me in this picture (totally natty).

    I was 167lb in this picture, I don't know what body fat % you think I am here but I am guessing 11ish maybe, possibly more.

    My waist in that pic is 31 inches, my hips 32.5, my arms when from 16 down to 15.3 in that pic.

    Still notice the fat around the hips and lower abs and no clear ab definition!

    This pic was done after 2-3 month of doing severe keto + tons and tons of cardio, still not jacked.


    It would have been impossible for me to lose anymore fat there because I would have ended up looking anorexic and skin an bones.

    This is the truth.

    As a natty for every lb of fat you lose, you gonna lose at least 3lb of muscle no matter what.

    so maybe I could have lost more fat but for sure i would have lost more muscle and looked like total garbage.

    People who juice should stop talking nonsense about how its just about cardio and diet, its not after a certain point for a natty.
    Well, I can't comment on cardio as I know nothing about it. And AAS is not a miracle drug for progress. If it were, everyone would look like Arnold. Maybe the guys in the Nutrition forum can look over your diet plan and tweak it to where it's more effective for you. Sometimes it's just one little element that's missing that will make a big difference for people.

    Whether you "juice" or not, it's still discipline, time and patience coupled with on point nutrition and exercise that make the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPTUK View Post
    Lets assume that you could get down to 10% BF natty (and I am not talking about naturally lean ecotomorph types or the genetically gifted here either), how realistic is it do u think to maintain that BF percentage as a natty???? Easy for some, not all.

    I will tell you its damn impossible to maintain, because your hormones will be so f-ucked, you will constantly feel like sh-t, you will have ZERO libido, hairloss and a ton of psychological issues. Not even close to medically true.

    It's actually very dangerous for natty's to try and do that. Show us a study that backs that up.

    Only reason you guys are lean is not JUST because of your supposed awesome diets, discpline, dedication etc, it because of the GH, the Test, the Masteron, the T4, the Clen, the Ephedrine and everything else that you are running not to mention the cost of all that over the period of year. Not everyone here runs insane amounts of meds year round like you think. Some only very seldom.

    Yet you have got the audacity to criticize and call lazy a natural athlete considering vaser lipo. Well yes he does. Doctors can have strong opinions based on medical training and "discipline."

    C'mon man give me break, lets keep it real here and get some prescriptive.

    Look man I am all for pro enhancement and juice for reasonable use, but I hate double standards and hypocrisy.

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    and BTW, what is a good diet?? eating 40gr of protein x meal 6x a day??
    eating always the same because of the macronutrients??
    Everyday Wheyprotein and multivitamins for decades??
    Go to any nutritionist or medic, and he will say your fckin your health up.
    And I'm not against dieting, I try to have my diet in check most part of the year, a healthy diet, and a hevy protein diet when cycling in the summer.
    But I'm searching for an alternative to that crazy diets and roids, to stay good shaped year round. and I asume, with such a surgery, If you eat right and train right, you can hold a good comp for a long time, without hammering your body with meds and harsh diets.

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    yeah, but don't get me wrong, I won't change anything in my Schedule, I'll go on working out everyday, dieting almost year round, and do my steroid cycle in the summer.
    The only goal is to stay ripped, even if I'm off several months, and stay healthy.
    How many people are in here on TRT because they can't just accept them naturally??
    And in my case, with quitting the love handles, I'd have a good look even at higher BF, and the most important point, I could bulk, without freakin out everytime I look at my waist.
    2000$ for a bodypart?? what does it mean, for the whole abdominal área inclusive love handles??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPTUK

    As a natty for every lb of fat you lose, you gonna lose at least 3lb of muscle no matter what.
    Where the hell did you get this? I've never once heard a person with a clue when it comes to cutting say this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitchindude View Post
    Where the hell did you get this? I've never once heard a person with a clue when it comes to cutting say this.
    You mean when you try and lose 10lb of fat you don't lose 40lb overall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPTUK View Post
    Ask Lyle Mcdonald, read atricles on bodyrecompostion or read ultimate diet 2. Talks about all the problems naturals will face getting into single digit from a hormonal prescpetive
    There may be some shred of truth to this when your dealing with already low BF. It's not going to be the same for most trying to get from 20 and 30% down to 12-15%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    You mean when you try and lose 10lb of fat you don't lose 40lb overall?

    Wait......what? Searching for a calculator.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPTUK View Post
    All professional bodybuilders (and most athletes) use drugs. Anyone who says differently is lying or trying to sell you something. Again, this isn't a grouse or whine, but rather a statement of fact. When you introduce the myriad anabolic drugs into the equation, it becomes possible to not only side-step but almost ignore "normal" human physiology. Couple better than average genetics with enough drugs and you get professional bodybuilders. You are not one of them, you will not be one of them. No amount of wishful thinking can change that. Even if you had access to all of their drugs, there's no guarantee you'd get as big; it's likely that one of the genetic advantages that professional bodybuilders have is a high sensitivity to the drugs that they do take.
    Anyone who tells you that the various bodybuilding drugs (anabolic steroids, insulin, clenbuterol, etc.) don't work, or aren't necessary to reach a monstrous level of development, is bullshitting you. Usually they have an all-natural supplement or steroid replacement to sell you in the first place (I just have a book). I'd be lying if I told you that anything you'll read in this book could take you to the development level of even the worst pro. It can't. Without both their genetics and their drugs, it simply can't be done. At best proper/meticulous/crafty nutrition and training will let your maximize your own potential and move beyond ordinary. To go above your genetic potential requires drugs. The sooner you come to terms with this, the better off you'll be.
    The fact is that drugs, even the relatively simple testosterone, can take you to a level of development otherwise unachievable by any natural training, diet and supplement methods. At even moderate doses, testosterone allows you to sidestep your normal physiology and reach a higher level of development. It raises the "setpoint" of how much muscle you can carry; it reduces your fat mass at the same time. Once you introduce all the other drugs endemic to pro-bodybuilding, you get a physiology that is unattainable in non-drug using individuals.
    Still not convinced? A single example should help to make my point. In natural (read: non drug using) individuals who have dieted down to extremely low body fat levels, say 5%, you see a common hormonal pattern. Testosterone levels are typically bottomed out (some studies even find castrate levels, which is why a lot of natural contest bodybuilders can't get their dick hard, not that they have a sex drive in the first place), thyroid levels are bottomed out, IGF-1 levels are bottomed out, sympathetic nervous system output is way down meaning decreased caloric and fat burning, appetite is through the roof, cortisol is through the roof, on and on it goes. This makes good evolutionary sense: at 5% body fat, you are starving to death. Your body is turning off every system (metabolic, reproductive, immune, etc.) that it can to keep you alive until you get some food.
    Contrast that to a dieting professional bodybuilder. With the choice of the right drugs, he can eliminate pretty much all of the above problems. Anabolic steroids replace natural testosterone, synthetic thyroid replaces what the body is no longer making, injectable insulin, GH, and IGF-1 fix the insulin, GH and IGF-1 problem, clenbuterol replaces sympathetic nervous system output, appetite suppressants can deal with appetite and anti- cortisol drugs deal with the cortisol problem. That's only a partial drug list, by the way.
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    The drug using bodybuilder has completely shut the door in the face of his normal physiology while the natural bodybuilder is basically ****ed (physiologically speaking). Again, my point in explaining this isn't so much to give you a metaphorical kick in the nuts before we get started; it's to explain the basic realities of the situation. One of the worst things that a natural athlete or bodybuilder can hope to do is to emulate the pros in terms of their training or diet. Pro athletes and bodybuilders have at least two major advantages that you don't have: genetic and drugs. Hoping that you can achieve what they achieve or, even worse, trying to use their approach to do it, almost guarantees failure.
    But all is not lost. One of the goals of the UD2 is to mimic some of the processes that occur normally in the genetic elite. We may not be able to do it 100%, but we can get in the ballpark and this will improve results. By using specific nutritional and training practices, the occasional supra-physiological level of supplements and even the occasional drug, we can duplicate some of what's going on.
    You have no clue about my competitive bodybuilding history so don't lump us all into the same category. Anyway, gotta run for a while but I'll read this whole thing when free. Spread it out in clear paragraphs please. It's a killer to read this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPTUK View Post
    You wanna argue with Lyle, be my guest!

    Same principles apply do anything sub 10% for natty's (especially endomorph types), just to a lesser degree, but still severe enough to cause lots and lots of problem. I know this cos I am living proof.
    When did you get to sub 10%, got any pics? What was your dietary approach at the time and how much exercise were you doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPTUK View Post
    <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=146884"/>

    Look at me in this picture (totally natty).

    I was 167lb in this picture, I don't know what body fat % you think I am here but I am guessing 11ish maybe, possibly more.

    Still notice the fat around the hips and lower abs and no clear ab definition

    This pic was done after 2-3 month of doing severe keto + tons and tons of cardio, still not jacked.
    Your on about , natty this and natty that , boo hoo im all natty and its hard for nattys .

    WTF is 'natty' about having surgery . Even if you have it your going to start a new thread and ask how to put on lean muscle , then cry when you have to ramp up the calories , and new fat cells develop.

    And it'll make you cry even more for wasteing all that money.

    Eat right ! Train hard !

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPTUK View Post

    Lets be clear, you aint special, you don't worker harder than me, you don't train harder than me, you don't have more dedication than me, .....you just take lots and lots of drugs, which is totally cool and fine, I aint got a problem with that cos I understand the realities involved......BUT don't you dare try and belittle my dedication or tell me I don't work as hard as you because you have better results or an easier time because of your drug use.
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    Passionate and all but very inaccurate . Take 30 seconds out of your life and have a look at my profile and you'll see that I have never touched AAS .

    Everyone has goals mate , wether they juice or not . If you achieve your goal in the way you wanted , your sucessfull.

    After having any sort of lipo/ lazer stuff , I guarantee you , you wont feel content.

    Its not just about getting there , its about how you got there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qscgugcsq View Post
    I agree at some point with OP Even if my BF is not that high I have some atubborn area who really piss me off. I dont mind being 15% as long as my fat is well placed. Of course I will first get under 10% and see from there. but even at low Bf some area can be fatter than others. In that circumstance I do believe that liposuction is a valid option as a gyno removal surgery is. he could simply get to 4% year round if he want to get rid of gyno why get an operation!! Its a stupid way to think it for gyno so why would it be different for other stubborn area?? I do not respect those who use that method to look fit without doing any effort. But you have to remember that we cant fix everything by dieting. Its very small minded to automaticly attack a method when their is a valid reason to do so, if the circumstance are appropriate. And austinite you said yourself that we cant lose fat in a specific area more than others. So the only way to lose it would be by surgery. just my opinion
    lol. I said you cannot target fat. Doesn't mean you can't lose it. Don't make up your own stories.

    Aren't you 18 years old? You have no experience and seem to love putting in your false 2 cents at all times.
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