I understand safety and the young and steroids that everyone always post when someone under the age of 25 comes in. My issue, someone could be 24 starting their first cycle asking for advice and people will come in screaming the young and steroids. Like magically at 25 everything will be okay. If Ronnie, Flex Wheeler, Shawn Ray, Dorian Yates along with tons of others hadnt started their cycles so young we would never had experienced those physiques. Bodybuilding wouldn't be where it is today. The 90s def saw an increase in the amount of gear used a long way from the golden era which is why the bodies changed. Even in the golden era the guys were young just not taking as much gear but still taking gear and still young. I understand people want to preach safety but what I notice a lot of times is young guys come in here with a questions and no one gives answers except for the young and steroid link. When someone does offer advice to the young people on a cycle they get blasted on.
Once again this sport would not be where its at today if all the greats waited until they were 25 or even 30s as some of you suggest. You never ask guys why they want to risk it. They might want to be the next Mr. O and starting at 30 typically wont get you there. I understand you guys want safety and I know some of these kids come out with crazy proposed cycles. At the end of the day I think suggestions should be made but these kids shouldnt be criticized. How many of the mods in here started under 25? Im sure a few. I just saw one kid get blasted on because he was under 25 but based off his profile picture he looked great and a lot better than some of these guys blasting on him. These guys from the 90s they are all retired now and only time will tell the lasting affects the gear they ran had on them. Some people we can already tell like Flex Wheeler and his issues. But some seem to be doing just fine. Some are dead, but we all make a decision in life and if some of these kids want to start young at least offer advice on how use stuff safely. At the end of the day these kids are going to do it anyway so its better to have a support group for them vs them not wanting to post here at all because people are telling them dont run gear. Arnold is old as hell as he is still ticking and having babies with housekeepers and stuff. He stared young, why cant these guys who are under 25 start young too.
I wanted to run steroids for years but I made the choice to wait without anyone telling me to wait. Point being that was my choice, other peoples choice might be to start young. I feel when people sign up under a certain age they should automatically get a couple warnings in their inbox and maybe a warning in their inbox every so often telling them the dangers on steroid use at an early age and thats it. I see so much negativity in these threads and multiple people posting that same damn link over and over with no help from anyone. Its just ridiculous. If any of you know about Bostin Loyd, his age and all the gear he runs and that his dad backs him up 100 percent because he also used gear when he competed then thats the type of thing we should discourage not only the young but noobs too. But a simple cycle, I just dont get it. Advise once, maybe twice and then call it a day.
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Regret is a hell of a thing to live with, especially when there are constant reminders of your actions, such as TRT, gyno, MBP ect. It is true you can run a cycle at a young age with no complications however, I think the tone here is not so much focused on the actual age of the people using, it is the mindset and lack of knowledge. We constantly see posts about youngsters wanting to juice, and their age is the least of their problems. They have poor diet, are too fat and don't train right. They also want to run crazy ass cycles. I understand that there are enhanced risks with cycling at younger ages, but it is the immaturity that I think is the biggest problem amongst them.
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Seriously though to the OP, the ones anymore who usually get blasted as you say are those that come here telling us they are 19 or so and that everything they have done and still do is spot on. Then when asked to explain in detail a little bit and we find his idea of a solid diet is eating 3 big macs a day and so on. But if a guy comes here with a true dedicated system that makes sense then most will caution him but there will be a few who will go ahead and give him a cycle advice if he really wants it. IMO I mean if one is gonna do it regardless it would be unsafe for any of us to not at least remind him of the possible things that could go wrong but then go ahead and help him with a cycle. Because if we don't give him what he wants and give him honest safer advice then he will go elsewhere and who knows what jack ball may tell him getting him hurt or worse. So things around here aren't as hostile as they used to be when younger ones showed up asking for cycle advice. A few years back yeah you would have been ripped for being too young asking for cycle advice but not so much anymore so stick around and ask your questions and someone here will tell you what you need to know I'm sure. But there are limits to truly how young some of us will give advice for. So if you are 15 or 16 or so and coming on here wanting a cycle tailored to your 130 pound frame, you aren't gonna get cycle help from anyone here I'm sure. but we will be willing to help you get your diet and exercise set up for what you are wanting to accomplish with your body.
