Back again, kelkel. And everyone.

[Roger11]

So since I made that thread when I was feeling good. I missed an injection last week. Ive split my injections up to 2x from 1x, and took my arimidex 0.5mgx 2 after the injection.

Anyways, the last few days ive been feeling horrible, not sure if its cos ive missed an injection last week, but I took my first shot of the week yesterday so trying to get back on track. Im not sure what my E2 is atm as im trying to guess, im trying to get to the docs to have bloods but im not sure if they will test for me as ive had bloods done a while ago.(****ing Australia) But ill try anyway. Ive been taking 0.5mg of armidix(liquid from source) x2 per week. Its supposed to be 1mg/ml but being not pharma grade it may be underdosed. Im trying to get a hold of pharma grade but from 1 source I know its 2x the price lol. Anyway as I said last few days ive been feeling average, so im not sure if my e2 is still to high or now to low. Im not sure if I should increase my arimidex to 1mgx 2 per week(as I said its liquid so could be well underdosed) or cut it back to 0.25mg x 2 per week or try eod. Really struggling here. As I said BW is the only option but I may not be able to get that for a little while yet.

Ive also for some reason lost motivation for the gym and to get big, and im really devastated, im pushing myself to go to the gym tho as I know its only my mind playing games with me but im shattered. I remember not to long ago I wanted to get bigger and bigger and eat more and eat, now im just like meh, whats the point. Im not going to give up though!. Im just lacking the drive and anger to do it! . Wanting to get back on a bulk but just making sure I feel 100% ready. I was going to start this week but delayed it again.

One real thing that drove me to be motivated for the gym was to get as big as I could so I could protect my missus from people. Now im lacking even that. I tell myself that but its not working. I tell myself to get big to protect my girlfriend and be a strong guy but its not working!

[Roger11]

altho im thinking the lack OF MOTIVATION is more mental TBH.

Because the last hour or so ive been feeling more motivated. But it can change suddenly.

[MuscleInk]

Are you currently cycling or just on HRT? What is your total weekly dose of HRT and your AI? I want to make sure I understand your protocol.

[Roger11]

Are you currently cycling or just on HRT? What is your total weekly dose of HRT and your AI? I want to make sure I understand your protocol.

Just HRT mate. Im on 250mg of test e10 days. Standard protocol here in Ausralia or if your really unlucky e3 weeks LOL. or test e every 14 days lol. Anyway my protocol is 250mg test e 10 days as stated but I split the shots up 2x now so 125mg every 5 days.

2 DAYS after injection test is 40nmol on a range of 8-32 and e2 is like 192nmol which im pretty sure in your US conversion is 55pgml. Symptoms are anxiety, feeling shit, mental stress sometimes . IF you go back onto my old threads you can read it there. ILL link it if you cant find it. Anyway I started on a ugl arimidex at 1mg for a week then 0.5mgx 2 per week. Felt good for a bit but the last few days feeling shit, I think that's because I missed my TRT shot for last week but started new week and took it yesterday. So in another 5 days ill take another 125mg. My doc isn't realy to helpful TBH and only gives me bloods every few months. So im trying to sort this out on my own and through bulk billing clinins.

[Roger11]

Im just trying to figure out a good AI dose, its really a guessing game without bloods but bloods are hard to get in Australia.

im thinking I might try 0.5mg eod.Im questioning this UGL arimidex, I use to use AR-Rs liquidex at 0.25mg for my test cycles most of which were at 500mg per week and I never felt the shit way I do now.

[probuild42]

Sounds like your E2 is too low. I have been to low before. Joints hurt, felt like crap and didn't want to move. I have also been to high. Felt bloated, puffy face, and felt a little emotional. Got blood work when I was high. I notice my E2 more when it is low then too high. I messed with my Adex dosage on my last cycle and found .25 mg EOD was not enough. So I upped to .5mg EOD and that made me to low. So then I skipped 2 doses and went to .35mg EOD and felt good.

Blood work is the only true way to tell.

[Roger11]

Sounds like your E2 is too low. I have been to low before. Joints hurt, felt like crap and didn't want to move. I have also been to high. Felt bloated, puffy face, and felt a little emotional. Got blood work when I was high. I notice my E2 more when it is low then too high. I messed with my Adex dosage on my last cycle and found .25 mg EOD was not enough. So I upped to .5mg EOD and that made me to low. So then I skipped 2 doses and went to .35mg EOD and felt good.

Blood work is the only true way to tell.

yeh im thinking maybe its to low, I mean I felt good for some time. I guess missing an injection and playing with my doses a bit fvked me up. .35mg eod? Ill try that. How do you dose that on a 3ml syringe?

Any other suggestions fellas? Should I try 0.25mg eod? or 3x per week. Its really a guessing game until I can get BW and even then, that may take a while..

[probuild42]

I use a 1ml oral syringe. From my personal trial and error. I found I can crash my E2 a lot quicker then the time it takes to start feeling the sides of high E2. Adex has a half life of about 48 hours. Hence EOD use to keep blood levels stable.

[Roger11]

I use a 1ml oral syringe. From my personal trial and error. I found I can crash my E2 a lot quicker then the time it takes to start feeling the sides of high E2. Adex has a half life of about 48 hours. Hence EOD use to keep blood levels stable.

The thing is, im hoping the liquid im using is actually 1mg/ml It might be underdosed who knows, hence why ill only use AR-Rs or pharma grade Ai,s from now on. Should I try 0.25mg eod? Or 0.25mgx2 per week? I guess I dosed it high coz I was getting impatient feeling like shit!.

[probuild42]

If your E2 is low. Quite taking the adex for a few days (4-7) and see if you feel any better as E2 increases. If symptoms decrease or go away then resume adex at .25 mg EOD. If you notice symptoms returning then decrease dose by .05mg for a week. If you start feeling bloated and puffy in the face slowy increase dose up by .05mg maybe a week at a time. Hope that helps. I would still urge blood work to be sure.

[Roger11]

If your E2 is low. Quite taking the adex for a few days (4-7) and see if you feel any better as E2 increases. If symptoms decrease or go away then resume adex at .25 mg EOD. If you notice symptoms returning then decrease dose by .05mg for a week. If you start feeling bloated and puffy in the face slowy increase dose up by .05mg maybe a week at a time. Hope that helps. I would still urge blood work to be sure.

OK thanks bro!

[Roger11]

Should I try taking 0.25mg liquidex ed? Or just go the usual EOD? Someone said this to me
ive said it many times. eod, e3d or 1-2x a week of ai is not consistant. needs to be used every day from day one. people dont realise just how much estro really shoots up there while on cycle. hence alot of cases its too late and get bad symptons.

He stated that reply to someone using 0.25mg eod of pharm grade armidex whose E2 came in at a whopping.717! (55-165) not sure if nmol or pmol. 100mg eod doesn't seem to far off a 250mg dose TBH. So I guess sorta similar situation to me. Ive tried 0.5mg x 2 per week. Now I was going to try 0.25mg eod, now im thinking 0.25mg ed after seeing those numbers and having that statement told to me!

thoughts?

[kelkel]

A cycle dosage is completely different from a TRT dosage so that statement doesn't really apply. Your every 5 day dosing protocol is fine. You need to pick a course of action and stick with it until you have BW done. Otherwise you will have no clue what is actually working or not. Constantly changing will not help Roger. The symptoms of high and low E can be very similar.

[2Sox]

Should I try taking 0.25mg liquidex ed? Or just go the usual EOD? Someone said this to me
ive said it many times. eod, e3d or 1-2x a week of ai is not consistant. needs to be used every day from day one. people dont realise just how much estro really shoots up there while on cycle. hence alot of cases its too late and get bad symptons.

He stated that reply to someone using 0.25mg eod of pharm grade armidex whose E2 came in at a whopping.717! (55-165) not sure if nmol or pmol. 100mg eod doesn't seem to far off a 250mg dose TBH. So I guess sorta similar situation to me. Ive tried 0.5mg x 2 per week. Now I was going to try 0.25mg eod, now im thinking 0.25mg ed after seeing those numbers and having that statement told to me!

thoughts?

For someone on TRT, the dose of testosterone you are taking is excessive - very excessive, in my view. You simply do not need that much - unless you are a hyper excreter/metabolizer, and from what I know, not many men are. I'd guess that this dose drove up your E2 to extremely high levels. Then you way over-treated with the AI and dropped your E2 extremely low.

It's extremely unwise to take a shotgun approach with the dosing of anything. Be consistent. From what I'm getting from the descriptions of what you are feeling, I think you E2 is still very low. Anastrozole is a VERY strong drug. I'd advise you do two things IMMEDIATELY: Stop your AI completely. Reduce your test dose to 100mg per week. Split this into two doses 3.5 days apart. Stay on this for at least 4 weeks. Get blood work to find out where you are. Then you can address E2 in an intelligent way instead of guessing at what's going on.

[Roger11]

For someone on TRT, the dose of testosterone you are taking is excessive - very excessive, in my view. You simply do not need that much - unless you are a hyper excreter/metabolizer, and from what I know, not many men are. I'd guess that this dose drove up your E2 to extremely high levels. Then you way over-treated with the AI and dropped your E2 extremely low.

It's extremely unwise to take a shotgun approach with the dosing of anything. Be consistent. From what I'm getting from the descriptions of what you are feeling, I think you E2 is still very low. Anastrozole is a VERY strong drug. I'd advise you do two things IMMEDIATELY: Stop your AI completely. Reduce your test dose to 100mg per week. Split this into two doses 3.5 days apart. Stay on this for at least 4 weeks. Get blood work to find out where you are. Then you can address E2 in an intelligent way instead of guessing at what's going on.

Thanks, and thanks kelkel.

Ive done that before I did 200mg per week for a cycle split 3.5days apart and e2 was in the 200s. do you think my best bet is just try 0.25mg 24hrs after each injection? try that for a few weeks and get BW?

[Roger11]

Guys im going to try this, so its at least consistenent, looks and sounds good I think.

So. 125mg x 2 injections. .25mg arimidex 24hrs or the day later after injection. Keep that going for a few weeks and get bloodwork. Is that ok? Whens the best time to pull bloods? Or it doesn't matter? 2 days after injection and 1 day after Ai dose has been consumed?

[kelkel]

Where does your total and free T normally run on this dosage Roger?
Whatever you choose run it consistently for about 4 weeks, then pull BW the morning of an injection day but before you inject.

[Roger11]

Where does your total and free T normally run on this dosage Roger?
Whatever you choose run it consistently for about 4 weeks, then pull BW the morning of an injection day but before you inject.

2days after injection of 125mg I'm at 40nmol.(8-32)so I believe in us conversion that's 1152 pgl or whatever

Not sure how much it drops by I've only had bloods done around 2days later at the peak and never at the end . But now that I'm splitting it 2x I doubt it will drop much I think it will stay around 1152.

Ok ill stick with arnidex 2x at 0.25mg

Feeling a bit better today tho and motivation. Is better.
Still not 100%.

What other hormones can interfere with my sense of well-being ? I haven't tested dhea or pregnenelone .

[Roger11]

2days after injection of 125mg I'm at 40nmol.(8-32)so I believe in us conversion that's 1152 pgl or whatever

Not sure how much it drops by I've only had bloods done around 2days later at the peak and never at the end . But now that I'm splitting it 2x I doubt it will drop much I think it will stay around 1152.

Ok ill stick with arnidex 2x at 0.25mg

Feeling a bit better today tho and motivation. Is better.
Still not 100%.

What other hormones can interfere with my sense of well-being ? I haven't tested dhea or pregnenelone .

bump. Been doing some research, seems a lot of people on 250mg test take armidex 0.5 or 0.25mg eod, I can just feel this dose crashing my e2 lol. I have a feeling 0.25mg x 2 would be a lot better in the long run tbh.

[kelkel]

If you're feeling "off" the first thing I would look at would be decreasing your dosage of T. Not everyone can sustain a higher level and feel good. Sometimes a titration down can help. And at that level you really won't feel a drop of a couple hundred points.

.25 EOD is what most guys take for a 500mg per week cycle.....that said, less is more with adex.

[Roger11]

If you're feeling "off" the first thing I would look at would be decreasing your dosage of T. Not everyone can sustain a higher level and feel good. Sometimes a titration down can help. And at that level you really won't feel a drop of a couple hundred points.

.25 EOD is what most guys take for a 500mg per week cycle.....that said, less is more with adex.

Alright, well before dropping it would you suggest just trying the 0.25mgx2 and see how I go? What would you suggest I drop it down to? Just gets harder to measure when it becomes under half a ml lol.

[kelkel]

Definitely dial in your E2 and go from there. We are all different here. Some may do great at the numbers you are at and others may feel like crap. Listen to the feedback your body gives you along the way, evaluate your BW (RBC's, etc) and don't get stuck with the thought that you need "that" particular amount to feel good. Many here will tell you they've felt better after dosing down. It's very common. It's very easy to over complicate TRT.

.25 one day after each injection.

[Roger11]

Definitely dial in your E2 and go from there. We are all different here. Some may do great at the numbers you are at and others may feel like crap. Listen to the feedback your body gives you along the way, evaluate your BW (RBC's, etc) and don't get stuck with the thought that you need "that" particular amount to feel good. Many here will tell you they've felt better after dosing down. It's very common. It's very easy to over complicate TRT.

.25 one day after each injection.

Thanks a lot mate. 250MG seems to hold onto my muscle mass really well to and im not really eating to much atm, Busy at work, as I work a physical job and have a pretty busy life atm, but im not losing any muscle being at the dose im on so im happy with that.

[Roger11]

Hey guys, ive talked to my TRT doc and im thinking of changing my protocol, Im thinking ill do 125mg of test per week and and will split it up 60mg every 3.5 days. Im not sure ill require an AI or not. Not sure. Would this be a better protocol?

[Roger11]

Im just feeling a tad uncomfortable at this dose still, ive been doing the .25mg since my last post, but on the dose of test im on atm I don't think its agreeing with me. a lot of the time im horny and think about sex a lot, im in a relationship with a girl im deeply in love with and plan on marrying, looking at getting engaged over in Europe next year if all goes to plan but the last few nights ive been having weird sexual dreams about a girl from work who I ONCE, fancied before my current relationship. Shes just a typical bimbo tho but is quite attractive, I am putting it down to the testosterone tho because I know from running my high doses of test that im quite super sensitive to test in regard to how it effects my libido and sex drive. When I was on 1gram of test my sex drive and libido was so damn annoying I did not enjoy the cycle one bit!

Anyways, thoughts?