Question about Sust/Mast/Tren/Test e

[mr.trenoob]

I have a bunch of Test and Tren E left over from my last cycle. Was thinking about adding Mast into the mix for my next cycle and was also considering using sust for the 1st 5 weeks to give the test e time to start working. Was wondering if there is any issues with mixing Mast/Sust and the Test/Tren enanthate esters in one syringe? I would assume no but figured I would ask. Also out of curiosity if I was using Mast and Sust in the same syringe with the test/tren would it make the liquid any thinner so I could use a 25 gauge needle? Been using 23's pretty much every cycle but last cycle I used a 25 gauge a few times because I ran out of 23's and it was less painful to inject but was like trying to push a huge turd out of a tight butthole.

Compounds:
Mast 200
Test 250
Tren 200
Sust 270

This is what I am debating for a cycle:
Weeks 1-5
Test .5 ML x 2 a week - 250MG a week
Sust .5 ML x 2 a week - 270MG a week
Tren 1 ML x 2 a week - 400MG a week
Mast 1 ML x 2 a week - 400MG a week

Weeks 6-14
Test 1 ML x 2 a week - 500 a week
Sust - 0
Tren 1 ML x 2 a week - 400MG a week
Mast 1 ML x 2 a week - 400MG a week

Week 15/16
Test 1ML x 2 a week - 500 a week

Thoughts/input?

[mod1-4]

That's a lot of tren, not sure I would go that high with a long acting ester. If you run into any issues you'll have to deal with them for atleast another 12 days

[mr.trenoob]

That's a lot of tren, not sure I would go that high with a long acting ester. If you run into any issues you'll have to deal with them for atleast another 12 days

400mg a week is a lot? I ran 400mg a week last cycle with no problems. Only side effect I had was night sweats which was certainly bearable.

[Matt007]

I always prefer short esters like tren a cause if u do run into any bad sides its out of your system within days not weeks, but whst are your goals bro and stats
I prefer 23g as well used 25g once and took forver to inject but I always do up to 2ml's per inject on a blast so find it a lot easier to inject with a 23g compared to a 25g
My last blast was lower test, higher tren
250mg test c/week, 150mg eod tren a, less sides great gains, have u tried that route before?

[mr.trenoob]

I didn't want to be a pin cushion and I am so busy it would be hard to do injections everyday so my first tren-e cycle I started really low and tapered up and had no sides other than night sweats and some irritability.

This will be my 5th cycle
Age: 31
Weight: 203
BF: 10%

Goal: 210-215 and 7% BF

[Matt007]

Might consider getting some caber or prami as well, whats your ai look like?

[ironbeck]

I didn't want to be a pin cushion and I am so busy it would be hard to do injections everyday so my first tren-e cycle I started really low and tapered up and had no sides other than night sweats and some irritability.

This will be my 5th cycle
Age: 31
Weight: 203
BF: 10%

Goal: 210-215 and 7% BF

? It takes about 3-5 min to inj, but your to busy to do this every other day ? I don't get it.

[ironbeck]

I didn't want to be a pin cushion and I am so busy it would be hard to do injections everyday so my first tren-e cycle I started really low and tapered up and had no sides other than night sweats and some irritability.

This will be my 5th cycle
Age: 31
Weight: 203
BF: 10%

Goal: 210-215 and 7% BF

How tall are you?

[mr.trenoob]

I agree whole heartedly with ghetto. As a matter of fact there is a pretty good sticky on here about why you should always run an ai. I think not running an ai is similar to the anti-vaccination movement, it just doesn't make sense to me.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...le-swifto.html

Okay good read.. I have also read from ton's of experienced guys that they don't run ai's unless the run into issues or use compounds that aromatize easily. So much information out there it's easy to argue for either side.

? It takes about 3-5 min to inj, but your to busy to do this every other day ? I don't get it.

I don't keep gear at my house so it's more like 25 minutes since I have to drive there and back and I run 2 businesses and have a part time job so yes I am extremely busy.

NO estrogen sides at all? then your gear is bunk lol. elevated estrogen can cause elevated cholesterol, bp, and many other things you can't see.. it a pro active choice for a healthy life style.

My gear has never been bunk. lol. As I mentioned, I monitor BP 4 times a week (my gf is a nurse) and whenever it has started getting close to high I start taking natural remedies which have always worked.

No offense but it seems like you have dived right into the deep end, without learning how to swim properly, your using all these compounds but asking basic questions like mixing them together and not understanding the importance of regulating your estrogen levels.

lol I have done a ton of reading, so much so that there is tons of mixed information. Some people say mixing compounds give you higher chances of developing an abscess, others say go for it. Same thing with ai's. Yes I understand regulating estrogen is important, however through countless threads I have also read that lots of bro's more experienced than me don't run them unless they run into issues. I've had one on hand and used it when running dbol. What I have always found funny on these forums how quickly everybody jumps down someones throat when they ask questions yet they don't even answer the persons question. I have never used sust or mast and I know they have different esters so my question asking if it will be any thinner is a pretty valid question.

How tall are you?

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[RangerDanger830]

Okay good read.. I have also read from ton's of experienced guys that they don't run ai's unless the run into issues or use compounds that aromatize easily. So much information out there it's easy to argue for either side.



I don't keep gear at my house so it's more like 25 minutes since I have to drive there and back and I run 2 businesses and have a part time job so yes I am extremely busy.



My gear has never been bunk. lol. As I mentioned, I monitor BP 4 times a week (my gf is a nurse) and whenever it has started getting close to high I start taking natural remedies which have always worked.



lol I have done a ton of reading, so much so that there is tons of mixed information. Some people say mixing compounds give you higher chances of developing an abscess, others say go for it. Same thing with ai's. Yes I understand regulating estrogen is important, however through countless threads I have also read that lots of bro's more experienced than me don't run them unless they run into issues. I've had one on hand and used it when running dbol. What I have always found funny on these forums how quickly everybody jumps down someones throat when they ask questions yet they don't even answer the persons question. I have never used sust or mast and I know they have different esters so my question asking if it will be any thinner is a pretty valid question.



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Well best of luck with your cycle, all I can do is give my opinion. However, yes you can mix all of the substances in one syringe. But no, it will not make it any thinner or easier to inject. The water based compounds are hydrophilic, meaning they are water soluble. The oil based substances like Tren and Test are hydrophobic or "water afraid" and do not mix with water. So what will happen is that there will be periods in the injection when the plunger goes fast and injects easily followed by the same slow pressure you feel when just injecting oils through the needle. The substances cannot and will not mix properly unless their chemical bonds are denatured through temperature or ph.

[Matt007]

Nice stats bro, I for one am the same, I love tren, dont suffer bad sies either, other then sweats, dreams and love the aggressiveness it gives me lol, 400mg of tren/ week isnt bad at all if u have already run tren before, cycle looks good bro, and loke I said u are gonna be a shreded mofo after this cycle if u get down to 7% bf, goodluck bro

[mr.trenoob]

I have Prami and adex on hand already although I haven't needed the prami and I used the adex last cycle just because I was running dbol. I doubt I'll have any issues with gyno or bloat on this cycle.

[ghettoboyd]

I have Prami and adex on hand already although I haven't needed the prami and I used the adex last cycle just because I was running dbol. I doubt I'll have any issues with gyno or bloat on this cycle.

bro you should run an a.I. regardless of weather or not you "feel" you need it cus a lot of the estrogen related sides, the ones that are far more dangerous than gyno or bloat you wont feel till its to late so if I where you I wouldn't be cheap and use your a.i. to be safe...just saying...

[mr.trenoob]

bro you should run an a.I. regardless of weather or not you "feel" you need it cus a lot of the estrogen related sides, the ones that are far more dangerous than gyno or bloat you wont feel till its to late so if I where you I wouldn't be cheap and use your a.i. to be safe...just saying...

It's pretty standard for most people I've seen to only run an ai if they run into issues or if they are gyno prone or running cycles with compounds that tend to aromatize easily . If you are referring to the prami, then that is not an ai and is not for estrogen anyway. I always monitor BP as well and take many natural remedies which seems to help whenever it starts to get high. Might run prami for some of this cycle since I will be running the tren for a while but not the whole thing I don't think.

[RangerDanger830]

bro you should run an a.I. regardless of weather or not you "feel" you need it cus a lot of the estrogen related sides, the ones that are far more dangerous than gyno or bloat you wont feel till its to late so if I where you I wouldn't be cheap and use your a.i. to be safe...just saying...

I agree whole heartedly with ghetto. As a matter of fact there is a pretty good sticky on here about why you should always run an ai. I think not running an ai is similar to the anti-vaccination movement, it just doesn't make sense to me.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...le-swifto.html

[ironbeck]

No offense but it seems like you have dived right into the deep end, without learning how to swim properly, your using all these compounds but asking basic questions like mixing them together and not understanding the importance of regulating your estrogen levels.

[ghettoboyd]

no I wasn't talking about the parami and its a dopamine agonist used to control prolactin but what I thought you didn't know was by controlling your E2 you control any prolactin issues that would arise from having your E2 out of whack...im not going into it but there are countless threads here about this...its worth looking into...

[mr.trenoob]

no I wasn't talking about the parami and its a dopamine agonist used to control prolactin but what I thought you didn't know was by controlling your E2 you control any prolactin issues that would arise from having your E2 out of whack...im not going into it but there are countless threads here about this...its worth looking into...

Yeah I have read into a bunch of stuff about e2/prolactic/estrogen but from what I have read from lots of experienced guys is running 500MG of test a week isn't a lot and if I'm not running dbol or any other compounds that aromatize easily than I shouldn't worry to much about an ai just to have one on hand just in case. Is this not accurate? I know Mast doesn't aromatize and actually works as a ai (not as good as an actual ai but it still helps) and Tren doesn't either so really it's just the test. So far out of all my cycles I haven't ran into any estrogen side effects. Do you still think I should run one anyway? Just seems like it wouldn't be needed with only 500MG a week of test as the only compound that may aromatize especially when I have yet to run into any issues. Not trying to argue I just haven't seen many people say you absolutely should always run an ai even with only 500mg of test.

[ironbeck]

Yeah I have read into a bunch of stuff about e2/prolactic/estrogen but from what I have read from lots of experienced guys is running 500MG of test a week isn't a lot and if I'm not running dbol or any other compounds that aromatize easily than I shouldn't worry to much about an ai just to have one on hand just in case. Is this not accurate? I know Mast doesn't aromatize and actually works as a ai (not as good as an actual ai but it still helps) and Tren doesn't either so really it's just the test. So far out of all my cycles I haven't ran into any estrogen side effects. Do you still think I should run one anyway? Just seems like it wouldn't be needed with only 500MG a week of test as the only compound that may aromatize especially when I have yet to run into any issues. Not trying to argue I just haven't seen many people say you absolutely should always run an ai even with only 500mg of test.

NO estrogen sides at all? then your gear is bunk lol. elevated estrogen can cause elevated cholesterol, bp, and many other things you can't see.. it a pro active choice for a healthy life style.

[ghettoboyd]

I do bro, but its your call...the problem with if you wait to have issues, a lot of times its to late for an a.i and then you need to block the estrogen with a serm like nolvadex but like I said its your call you make good points and you may get lucky...good luck...

[mr.trenoob]

I do bro, but its your call...the problem with if you wait to have issues, a lot of times its to late for an a.i and then you need to block the estrogen with a serm like nolvadex but like I said its your call you make good points and you may get lucky...good luck...

Thanks man. Any input on any of my questions about mixing the compounds?

[ghettoboyd]

Thanks man. Any input on any of my questions about mixing the compounds?

no issues bro your all set to load it all in one pin if you wish...

[Lunk1]