Next Cycle - Test / Deca

[DontTaseMeBro]

Its still months away; but I figured i'd post my next cycle and solicit feedback.

Week 1-14 Test E 400mg/wk (200mg every 3.5 days)
Week 1-12 Deca 600mg/wk (300mg every 3.5 days)
Week 1-6 Dbol 40mg/day (20mg every 12 hours)
Week 1-15 hcg 250 i.u. every 3.5 days)
Week 1-15 Examestane 30mg/day (15mg twice a day)
Week 4-15 Prami .25mg/day
PCT Clomid / Nolva 75/75/50/50/50 and 40/40/20/20/20

Any thoughts?

[derekkpapa1]

Perfect same cycle I ran numerous time but without Prami and usually keep deca around 500-600mg a week and once went to 750mg. I keep it on hand just in case.
Only thing I keep kick starter oral at 4 weeks by then test and deca is taking over.

[DontTaseMeBro]

Perfect same cycle I ran numerous time but without Prami and usually keep deca around 500-600mg a week and once went to 750mg. I keep it on hand just in case.
Only thing I keep kick starter oral at 4 weeks by then test and deca is taking over.

Thanks. That's the sort of comments I was hoping for. I'll cut the dbol back. I like orals, but worry about the liver issues. I know some really knowledgable guys that stay on a really low dose dbol taken 2 or 3 times a day for the whole cycle; but (1) I'm afraid of liver damage and (2) I can't cut the pills that small.

Wasn't too sure about Prami. I know I can keep my E2 down with the exemestane (which is more than half the battle), but I don't want progesterone to get too high. On the other hand, I don't want to take anything I don't need. I figure at 600mg/wk, its better to be safe than sorry.

[DontTaseMeBro]

stats:
6'0" , 205lbs , 18%bf (going to be cutting for 3 months to get below 15 prior to cycle), 44yrs old.

[Dillydil]

Question for you. I've looked at different cycles that include Deca and sometimes people run Deca lower than the test and sometimes higher like yours.

Why did you choose to run the deca higher?

[Slacker78]

Question for you. I've looked at different cycles that include Deca and sometimes people run Deca lower than the test and sometimes higher like yours.

Why did you choose to run the deca higher?

There's no a specific and reliable matter to use higher or lower Deca dosages respect to Test. The only strong evidence is given by the control of E2: more Test, more E2 increasing; less Test, less E2 increasing, better control over it. With Deca and a reasonable E2 level, you can modulate better progestins ( Deca is a progestin ) side effects. For "Deca Dick" stuff, it's enough to have minimum 250mg of Test and control E2 with AI while on Cycle. You should NEVER cycle without a minimum Test support. Yes, with more Test, you could have more gains but even more side effects but the ideal is having a good Androgen/Test support with a good Anabolic-less side effects support ( Deca ). Hope this help.

[derekkpapa1]

There's no a specific and reliable matter to use higher or lower Deca dosages respect to Test. The only strong evidence is given by the control of E2: more Test, more E2 increasing; less Test, less E2 increasing, better control over it. With Deca and a reasonable E2 level, you can modulate better progestins ( Deca is a progestin ) side effects. For "Deca Dick" stuff, it's enough to have minimum 250mg of Test and control E2 with AI while on Cycle. You should NEVER cycle without a minimum Test support. Yes, with more Test, you could have more gains but even more side effects but the ideal is having a good Androgen/Test support with a good Anabolic-less side effects support ( Deca ). Hope this help.

^^^ well said

[Dillydil]

Thanks for the reply Slacker. That helped a ton.

Much appreciated!

[Slacker78]

I'm happy it was useful. Thank you too and this wonderful Forum and its fantastic members

[DontTaseMeBro]

There's no a specific and reliable matter to use higher or lower Deca dosages respect to Test. The only strong evidence is given by the control of E2: more Test, more E2 increasing; less Test, less E2 increasing, better control over it. With Deca and a reasonable E2 level, you can modulate better progestins ( Deca is a progestin ) side effects. For "Deca Dick" stuff, it's enough to have minimum 250mg of Test and control E2 with AI while on Cycle. You should NEVER cycle without a minimum Test support. Yes, with more Test, you could have more gains but even more side effects but the ideal is having a good Androgen/Test support with a good Anabolic-less side effects support ( Deca ). Hope this help.

Couldn't have said it better, slacker. I want the Deca to do the "heavy lifting", but it totally shuts you down hard; and if my test gets too low (my natty test levelo is nothing to boast about), then then I have a host of other problems. I tolerate test well at 500 or more, and I can control E2 with Stane at 12.5 twice a day, so I dropped it back just a tad. I can alwyas adjust up or down after blood work; but i'm hoping 400mg is my "magic number" on test. I've never used Deca, so I'm anxious to see how it works for me. My last test-only cycle worked well, but was a little less than I was looking for. I've used the dbol before I had any idea what I was doing; and it worked well. Of course, like a dumb-ass 20 year old, it was dbol only and probably contributed to mu current sub-400 natty test. I'll log the cycle when I start it in hopes that it will prove beneficial to someone. Everybody have a great week, I'm headed t9o the beach with kids and step=kids.

[Slacker78]

Couldn't have said it better, slacker. I want the Deca to do the "heavy lifting", but it totally shuts you down hard; and if my test gets too low (my natty test levelo is nothing to boast about), then then I have a host of other problems. I tolerate test well at 500 or more, and I can control E2 with Stane at 12.5 twice a day, so I dropped it back just a tad. I can alwyas adjust up or down after blood work; but i'm hoping 400mg is my "magic number" on test. I've never used Deca, so I'm anxious to see how it works for me. My last test-only cycle worked well, but was a little less than I was looking for. I've used the dbol before I had any idea what I was doing; and it worked well. Of course, like a dumb-ass 20 year old, it was dbol only and probably contributed to mu current sub-400 natty test. I'll log the cycle when I start it in hopes that it will prove beneficial to someone. Everybody have a great week, I'm headed t9o the beach with kids and step=kids.

Every steroid which suppress HPTA axis will shuts you down. Under this point of view, there's no difference among Deca And Test. But, whatever little androgen hormone will shut you down more causing stronger unbalance hormones level; this is why you have to support it with Test that is the "King Androgen" in absolute. With Deca, you have to monitor prolactin too but its activity is still mediate by E2. However, there could be cases where a good estrogen balance is not enough to guarantee a good prolactin level ( high sensitivity to it ) and this is why you have to modulate it with a dopamine agonist ( cabergoline ). But adjusting the steroids test/deca dosages and using with a good wisdom an AI, i think it's possible to avoid other support drugs in a considerable number of cases (Less is better except you're going to become Mr. Olympia ! ).