When should I start roids?

[Stealthypickle9]

I'm 18 right now and I'm thinking about starting at 20/21 years old. Is that too young and has anyone started earlier and if so what was your experience

My stats are 6'1" 210 10% body fat
330 bench
530-550 parallel squat
On a side note my gains have really slowed down as of late

[Deequarius]

I'm 18.. Just a few months away from being 19 but I'm currently cycling.. If you want an idea of what could happen I have a log.. I'm only on week 4 so we can see how it goes.

[Deequarius]

It is definitely a controversial thing for someone our age to do. Before you think of doing anything make sure you're read. Knowledge is power.

[MuscleInk]

I'm 18 right now and I'm thinking about starting at 20/21 years old. Is that too young and has anyone started earlier and if so what was your experience

My stats are 6'1" 210 10% body fat
330 bench
530-550 parallel squat
On a side note my gains have really slowed down as of late

Certainly not something we advocate here. Cycling before 25 is I'll advised. Plenty of young guys are members here seeking help because they cycled too young and now have numerous problems.

At 18, nutrition and training will give you the results you seek.

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old. I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older. I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies. Marcus

[Deequarius]

good info Marcus

[Stealthypickle9]

thanks for the info guys, defenitly will wait till at least 21, but i am really curious about how things workout for you deequarius. i recently got my best friend into lifting and now he wants to get jacked really bad and is about to start cycling with just 3 months of lifting. i told him it was a bad idea but he wont listen but at least i convinced him to get bloodwork done first so i just hope he doesnt mess himself up.

[Stealthypickle9]

oh i am about to run peotides for 6 months
ghrp2 and mod grf

[Times Roman]

thanks for the info guys, defenitly will wait till at least 21, but i am really curious about how things workout for you deequarius. i recently got my best friend into lifting and now he wants to get jacked really bad and is about to start cycling with just 3 months of lifting. i told him it was a bad idea but he wont listen but at least i convinced him to get bloodwork done first so i just hope he doesnt mess himself up.

unfortunately, he can only log short term results on a muscular level. what he won't know until later is how taking hormones now will affect his hormonal development down the road. At best, he'll get lucky and he won't suffer any ill effects.

[Deequarius]

unfortunately, he can only log short term results on a muscular level. what he won't know until later is how taking hormones now will affect his hormonal development down the road. At best, he'll get lucky and he won't suffer any ill effects.

well I figure 6 months post cycle blood work would give me a pretty good idea on how successful my PCT was... What would you say?

[OdinsOtherSon]

unfortunately, he can only log short term results on a muscular level. what he won't know until later is how taking hormones now will affect his hormonal development down the road. At best, he'll get lucky and he won't suffer any ill effects.

What TR said....its not about "how my cycle went" at 18, 19, 20-25, its about what will come back to haunt that individual in the coming months/years and as TR said, they won't be here to tell you that chapter of the story.

[ppwc1985]

Agreed, we have so many members here who did choose to cycle before 25 and quite a few who did at 18. A few years later they had to go on trt, some things you won't know till later. It's pretty much playing Russian roulette, which is a stupid decision. But when your young that's what you do, that's why the older members say to wait because they have experienced it.

[MuscleInk]

What TR said....its not about "how my cycle went" at 18, 19, 20-25, its about what will come back to haunt that individual in the coming months/years and as TR said, they won't be here to tell you that chapter of the story.

Correct. Too many young guys assume absence of problems a few weeks to months post cycle is equivalent to never a problem later on.

[Stealthypickle9]

what do you guys think about bill roberts 2 on 4 off idea? supposedly the pituitary is never inhibited and is actually sensitized so you recover in days and your test actually goes above baseline around week 2 or so. would something
like this be more appropriate for those under 25?

[kgpl]

If you are 18 with those actual numbers and bf%, by no means at all do you need to cycle...

Then again, I'm a hypocrite because I'm in the same situation as Deequarius.

[Stealthypickle9]

those are my real stats, ive been lifting since 13, im thinking about taking around 20/21 to get a harder more defined look, and maybe get up to 220, but i am going to run peptides in the mean time and that may be enough anyway

[Stealthypickle9]

i still am curious about the 2 on 4off cuz thats what my friends doing, and i hope hes not doing anything hes ganna really regret

[kgpl]

That won't do anything. Takes longer than 2 weeks for compounds to actually give effects.

[Stealthypickle9]

anadrol test cyp and tren could do quite a bit in 2 weeks, so ive heard

[MuscleInk]

anadrol test cyp and tren could do quite a bit in 2 weeks, so ive heard

You're being misled. 4-6 weeks to achieve equilibrium levels for long esters. Don't believe everything you hear out of the gym. Many with opinions in the gym. Fewer with practical knowledge.

Nutrition above everything is the single greatest predictor of success.

[Stealthypickle9]

whats your opinion on peptides?

[Deequarius]

If you are 18 with those actual numbers and bf%, by no means at all do you need to cycle... Then again, I'm a hypocrite because I'm in the same situation as Deequarius.

those numbers are ridiculous.. If those numbers are legit he has to be nearing his genetic potential. Highest I ever for natty was 200 pounds even at 11% bf and I'm 6'2"

[middleeasternmuscle]

I'd wait until you seriously see no gains in the gym anymore....very hard to hit that plateau though. I was an impatient idiot and started at 21 and let me tell you I didn't ruin my sex drive / endocrine system and all that good stuff but at that young age our hormones are already crazy and messing with roids multiplies that. So i broke out with the worst acne of my life, destroyed my self esteem even though I always looked the best in all my uni classes, didnt wear tank tops or take my shirt off for 3 years even when having sex with girls id leave my shirt on.... still have the horrible nasty scars to this day... stuck on me forever. Also my hair got really thin. Only thing to mask it now is shaving my head. Not trying to scare you bro but prepare yourself for the sides if you think its all rainbows on the dark side.

[Stealthypickle9]

Yeah that's a big concern of mine. I'm on my second course of accurate and it's finally kicking in, I'm taking it for a year straight at a half dose and there are zero sides except for dry lips sometimes. It's amazing how we'll it heals scars, I used to have pretty bad scars and now there practically gone! Accutane is a phenomenal drug. I would ask ur derm middleeasternmuscle about taking it, even if u don't have much acne because it definitely helps scars to a degree, depends on how new they are too.

[Stealthypickle9]

Those are my stats though, I'm more like 208, 210 with clothes on, I've been doing powerlifting and football all high school and my coach was a fanatic about weights. After my freshman season I only squatted 225, and I got up too 500 raw end of junior year. My body was a mess after my senior football season so I couldn't really squat much which really set me back. I swear I'd be doing close to 600 if it weren't for the injury. But our coach knew his shit, we'd squat three times a week but he'd also go crazy making us do half squats with 650 which felt like death on ur back. I've really peaked hard thou, at 16 I was benching 300 and squatting 500 now almost two years later I only bench 30 pounds more and squat 30-50 so I wonder how close I am to my natural potential

[ironbeck]

When your ready....25th b-d

[Chicagotarsier]

Me personally.

It is an education thing.

If you need to know when is right you are not ready. What do you need to know to be ready?

Basics...How to use AI..How to PCT..How HPTA works...How to get safe products....diet...nutrition
What to do if there is an issue...Bloodwork...support group...etc.
Be confident enough in the above that when you put the needle to your glute with test, deca, and tren in it you do not flinch.

Then you are ready..because at that point you know that any bad results or issues is on YOU and you cannot cry to mommy about it.

I'm 18 right now and I'm thinking about starting at 20/21 years old. Is that too young and has anyone started earlier and if so what was your experience

My stats are 6'1" 210 10% body fat
330 bench
530-550 parallel squat
On a side note my gains have really slowed down as of late

at 6'1 you are fairly impressive in stature. It would not take much to be really impressive. That height and 225 is a very nice weight for 15% bf...not sure what you want to get out of roids since you are 10% 210.

[NACH3]

^^^^^ All valid points and what Marcus said(he broke it down) as did TR, Muscleink, and chicagotarsier... If you are asking when you would be ready your not their educationally(I'm still learning stuff ED) and I've been on AAS FOR A Few yrs now...

But back to what Marcus was talking about how some individuals aren't done growing.... We also have Epiphyseal Plates that tend to fuse at ages 23-25... Unless your Deequarius who has had his bone scan/CT-SCAN TO CHECK if his plates fused(which they did) he's the exception not the rule! Plus he's keeping a log to see if his endocrine system/HPTA is gonna take a hit( which we all don't want) later in life!!

Diet seems good... Your a strong 18 yr old already and with proper training and DIET why hinder yourself from growing a couple more inches wide and maybe another inch tall(maybe who knows) but I would advise against it until your 24 at least more like 25! Just my .02...

Good luck buddy!

[fit2bOld]

those numbers are ridiculous.. If those numbers are legit he has to be nearing his genetic potential. Highest I ever for natty was 200 pounds even at 11% bf and I'm 6'2"

Bull crap. As a young man I had no problem being 215 at 5'10" under 15% bf and never touched steroids.
This is the the bad info you continue to put out and further more to continue to encourage others your age to cycle is reckless.

[NACH3]

^^^ Well said Fit!!! Your absolutely right, they(the younger generation) are all about the quick fix... When they have no clue how hRd you busted your a-- to get to your very solid foundation ... Then did your thing later in life! They all think it's so Magical(referring to steroids)...

[Times Roman]

Bull crap. As a young man I had no problem being 215 at 5'10" under 15% bf and never touched steroids.
This is the the bad info you continue to put out and further more to continue to encourage others your age to cycle is reckless.

agreed. around 1998 I was up at around 250. True, I was using creatine....
....and this was a funky backyard gym I made.

The most likely scenario, for most, when hitting the wall and not seeing gains is a lack of dedication and knowledge in the kitchen.

[kelkel]

The op needs to post a current pic.

[Stealthypickle9]

[Stealthypickle9]

woops didnt mean to post two

[fit2bOld]

Your not at your genetic potential.
Keep at it.

[Cuz]

The op needs to post a current pic.

Second

[Cuz]

Oh wait he did. ..

[Times Roman]

the bright side is you STILL have a lot of room for natural growth without the use of steroids.

Next step, hit up the nutrition section and post up your diet, including macros per meal and macros per day and don't forget calories. Also post your TDEE.

ONce you do that, we can look under the hood and see what the problem is