cycle advice!!! diet, suggestions, comments, and expectations.

[professor0071625]

I am going to start my second cycle in October, I'm just trying to preplan and get all my ducks in order before the cycle. The first cycle I did was Test e and winny for 10 weeks, then my PCT. I will have taken 5 full months off after my PCT was done, and after a checkup all my levels are back to normal, as they were before cycle. I am 26 years old, 5'5" 142lbs and about 12% bf.

I am wondering what advice I can get from the experiences of you guys, who have been there done that seen and done. If you have any questions please ask I'll be more than happy to answer and I just want advice and suggestions. Like whether I should clean bulk on this cycle (caloric intake/macros/etc), how I should run everything, and if I am missing anything.

What I have for a 12 week cycle:
(I have enough for more than 12 weeks, I was planning next year to run another 12 weeks but I am going to list what all I have in total)

4 bottles of test e 250mg
4 packets of winstrol 4,000mg total
4 packets of proviron
2 packets of arimidex
2 pct of clomid


any and all suggestions and advice is much appreciated!!

[RangerDanger830]

I am sorry if this comes across the wrong way but can you post pictures? The average body weight for your size is no more than ~144lbs. You being inside the normal range worries me that you might not have enough proper training under your belt to cycle any more. I could be wrong because I am almost a foot taller than you so don't get offended if I am.

The amount you have doesn't help me much, it would be more beneficial if you posted what doses you intended to do and the frequency. I can say that I recommend adding HCG and Nolvadex.

[David LoPan]

What I have for a 12 week cycle:
(I have enough for more than 12 weeks, I was planning next year to run another 12 weeks but I am going to list what all I have in total)

4 bottles of test e 250mg Bottle size? 1ml to 30ml
4 packets of winstrol 4,000mg total pills and mg per pill
4 packets of proviron pills and mg per pill
2 packets of arimidex pills and mg per pill
2 pct of clomid pills and mg per pill

any and all suggestions and advice is much appreciated!!

Cycle history, Nova, HCG?

[professor0071625]

In bodybuilding and things of that, asking for pics is not wrong or weird, lol. And I will definitely post some tomorrow. Also, with my height I am totally ok with and normally make fun of myself, so definitely no offense! haha

I was thinking of running

500mg test e each wk
2000mg winny over wks 6-10
half the proviron
and the arimidex .5mg eod


sorry I am not sure at the moment of the exact amounts for winny and proviron, long day lol

[professor0071625]

test e - 10ml vial
winstrol - 100 tablets of 10mg each
proviron - 20 tablets of 25mg each
arimidex - 50 pills of 1mg each
clomid - 50 pills of 100mg each



cycle history I did 250mg of test e and winny 50mg/day for 10wks then clomid as PCT

[aussie made]

No offense bro, but I think you need to gain more naturally first before cycling. What's your diet look like? Calories?

[professor0071625]

No offense, that's why I'm asking. Right now, summer, I'm trying to stay leaner. I'm roughly 2,000-2,200 calories. I stay around 120g carbs/70g fat/200g protein daily.
I workout 6 days a wk
M- squats and quads
Tu- chest
Wed- back
Thurs - deadlifts and hammys
Fri - shoulders
Sat - arms
Sun - off

[professor0071625]

I mostly eat only, 3 egg whites to one whole egg, skinless boneless chicken breast, salmon, tuna, broccoli and really anything green, peas green beans peppers etc. Eat some other food occasionally. Also have protein shakes in there as well.

[lovbyts]

I have to agree with some of the others, keep doing what you are doing and put the cycle off. Even at 5' 5" 145 is pretty light. Yeah it sucks to wait but you can easily put on another 20 lbs of solid lean muscle without any cycles over the next year.

[professor0071625]

I have to agree with some of the others, keep doing what you are doing and put the cycle off. Even at 5' 5" 145 is pretty light. Yeah it sucks to weight but you can easily put on another 20 lbs of solid lean muscle without any cycles over the next year.

Really?! I thought by doing this cycle with proper diet and hard training I could get closer to my target weight of 165lbs. I have always been a hardgainer, and at 18 years old I only weighed 115lbs didn't get to 100lbs until I was 13years old. However, that is why I am asking and trying to get advice.

So, what do you guys think my plan should be, and what should I get to prior to the cycle?

[RangerDanger830]

When you look up hardgainer in the dictionary you should see a picture of me when I was a teenager and in my early 20s. My metabolism and genes made gaining any kind of weight, good or bad, very hard. My diet had to be very exact and my workouts had to be intense before I started showing worthwhile results.

Having said that, I know what you are going through and I know steroids will help you get to your goal weight faster, but I have to agree with lov and say it is not the best way. 165 probably seems nearly impossible to you right now without steroids but I promise you that if you eat a few hundred calories over your TDEE every single day without missing a beat and keep it nutritious then you could see 165 by next swimsuit season without AAS.

In case you care wondering exactly why we are telling you to hold off, I am speaking from personal experience here also, is so you do not injure yourself. A severe injury could set you back and make you worse off than you are now. The idea behind staying natural for as long as possible deals with a simple truth that muscles grow in strength faster than tendons or ligaments.

Tendons and ligaments grow in strength and even size similar muscles, just much slower. A strong achilles tendon can have a tensile strength of over a ton as a matter of fact. But since these tendons and ligaments grow much slower it is easy to lift outside your means. Just because your muscles can handle benching 200lbs during your workout does not mean your tendons and ligaments can.

To make this problem even worse you are throwing in rapid muscular strength and endurance gains in a short period of time. This makes it even harder for the tendons to keep up. At your body weight you are guaranteed to gain a good amount of size and strength on a good cycle, but that isn't a good thing.

I have been the guy who cycled too soon and ended up injuring myself. It has taken a very long time to catch my tendons and ligaments back up. The injuries I have had are a direct result of cycling too soon and gaining too fast. Not to mention that massive fast growth of muscles increases your risk for stretch marks too, which are never fun, I have some of those too.

Just wait, the steroids are not going anywhere and if you have them already they will keep for quite awhile.

[professor0071625]

I am sorry if this comes across the wrong way but can you post pictures? The average body weight for your size is no more than ~144lbs. You being inside the normal range worries me that you might not have enough proper training under your belt to cycle any more. I could be wrong because I am almost a foot taller than you so don't get offended if I am.

The amount you have doesn't help me much, it would be more beneficial if you posted what doses you intended to do and the frequency. I can say that I recommend adding HCG and Nolvadex.

pics you requested, sorry took so long lol

[professor0071625]

When you look up hardgainer in the dictionary you should see a picture of me when I was a teenager and in my early 20s. My metabolism and genes made gaining any kind of weight, good or bad, very hard. My diet had to be very exact and my workouts had to be intense before I started showing worthwhile results.

Having said that, I know what you are going through and I know steroids will help you get to your goal weight faster, but I have to agree with lov and say it is not the best way. 165 probably seems nearly impossible to you right now without steroids but I promise you that if you eat a few hundred calories over your TDEE every single day without missing a beat and keep it nutritious then you could see 165 by next swimsuit season without AAS.

In case you care wondering exactly why we are telling you to hold off, I am speaking from personal experience here also, is so you do not injure yourself. A severe injury could set you back and make you worse off than you are now. The idea behind staying natural for as long as possible deals with a simple truth that muscles grow in strength faster than tendons or ligaments.

Tendons and ligaments grow in strength and even size similar muscles, just much slower. A strong achilles tendon can have a tensile strength of over a ton as a matter of fact. But since these tendons and ligaments grow much slower it is easy to lift outside your means. Just because your muscles can handle benching 200lbs during your workout does not mean your tendons and ligaments can.

To make this problem even worse you are throwing in rapid muscular strength and endurance gains in a short period of time. This makes it even harder for the tendons to keep up. At your body weight you are guaranteed to gain a good amount of size and strength on a good cycle, but that isn't a good thing.

I have been the guy who cycled too soon and ended up injuring myself. It has taken a very long time to catch my tendons and ligaments back up. The injuries I have had are a direct result of cycling too soon and gaining too fast. Not to mention that massive fast growth of muscles increases your risk for stretch marks too, which are never fun, I have some of those too.

Just wait, the steroids are not going anywhere and if you have them already they will keep for quite awhile.

Firstly, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. Also, thank you for your advice. I do have them already, and as much as I want to do the cycle, I am only 26 years old, I realize I have a lot of time ahead of me to do it natural. You are right I just want to get to that weight faster. They will definitely last until next September, and I can definitely increase my intake and attempt to clean bulk this winter. You make very good points with tendons and ligaments. I have thought about that, and I was going to keep my weights under control with my strength gains, but I am thinking I will just hold off.


Does anyone have any advice on diet or does it and my training seem pretty on point?

[PBJtime]

Dude at your age and your build you are on the right path natty man . Don't start a cycle at your age You got a good physique now , embrace it and don't risk shutting yourself down this early . Good luck to you

[professor0071625]

Dude at your age and your build you are on the right path natty man . Don't start a cycle at your age You got a good physique now , embrace it and don't risk shutting yourself down this early . Good luck to you

Thanks man, appreciate it!

[fit2bOld]

That frame can easily hold another natural 20 to 30 lbs. hard work and killer nutrition.

[PBJtime]

Your 26 , shoot man i just now caught that part . Do a basic cycle of test for 10-12 wks . Stay on top of your AI and hcg throughout cycle and PCT !! Keep it simple for your first go so it makes you aware and can tolerate the sides .

[zempey]

Did you run a AI or nolvadex on your last cycle? Looks like you have some gyno going on, might just be the pic, but is there lumps behind your nips? If so, you need to deal with that before you cycle again.

[professor0071625]

Did you run a AI or nolvadex on your last cycle? Looks like you have some gyno going on, might just be the pic, but is there lumps behind your nips? If so, you need to deal with that before you cycle again.

I did run Nolvadex as pct, I had little at end of cycle, but it went away. However, my chest has always been oddly shaped. Always been self conscious about it. It's always been smaller and not fully round on lower outsides of chest. But I'm working hard on it.

[RangerDanger830]

I did run Nolvadex as pct, I had little at end of cycle, but it went away. However, my chest has always been oddly shaped. Always been self conscious about it. It's always been smaller and not fully round on lower outsides of chest. But I'm working hard on it.

Do more decline presses and that'll help some. I'm glad you decided to wait. It's one of those situations where you want something so bad you ignore your better judgment. Then when you injure your shoulder and you can't lift for a few months you'll hate yourself.

[professor0071625]

Do more decline presses and that'll help some. I'm glad you decided to wait. It's one of those situations where you want something so bad you ignore your better judgment. Then when you injure your shoulder and you can't lift for a few months you'll hate yourself.

That is something I cannot wait for is I'm moving and going to pay for a gym, because the gym I am at, which is is at my apartment complex doesn't have a decline bench or any hammer strength machines. That I feel like is holding me back, and why I really want to pay for a gym. Which I will be doing at end of Aug. Thanks again for the advice and I'll probably wait until next year to run the cycle at earliest. And with as much as I have I can do 2 full 12wk cycles, but I'll just get stronger before I do.

When do you think I'll know it's time to run?

[zempey]

I have a similar issue with my chest not being full and round on the lower outside with low nipple placement. I have been working very hard to bring my chest up, its coming, but slowly. I do a ton of dips, at least 300-400 per week, I need to purchase a belt so I can add weight to my dips. This and closing up my grip a bit have really helped me bring up my chest, the closer grip has allowed me to really feel the pec muscle contract and not the front delt.
As far as knowing when to run a cycle, when your gains stop naturally or you hit a big plateau is usually a good time to reassess your options. I personally find march/april is a good time to start, gets you in decent shape to start the nice weather and by mid summer you are at your peak.