Got to crash test 4 VA Dr. to get free Cypionate ? Questions please offer thoughts

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Pretty balanced right now ?
Stats last Fri about the 17th of Oct.

RBC mid range

WBC mid range

Estrogen 37 took 3 doses of . 25 (Astrosonole) generic pharmacy Adex in 14 days and that works for me to be around 28 E-2

Testosterone was 1131 high so I have been doing 80mg or 40mg every 3.5 days since BW.
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I was about to go back to 80mg every 3.5 days... 100mg every 3.5 days got me over 1000

I feel the best at 700 +

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So Dr. @ new VA clinic said stop any Cypionate for now - come back in 10 days and he would look at base line and he thought I should be in low range or even below 300 , he did not know I was over 1100 .

Civilian Dr. does but not that smart told him I pinned right before coming in and he said that explains the high reading ? ?

Is 10 days enough to be dry ? As in small amount of Testosterone in blood ?

If 10 days gets me low enough to be at bottom of normal est. 350 or below I will get free Cypionate ? Or is he just crashing telling me that 10 days will do it and 10 days not long enough to clear Test out of blood and doesn't know what he is talking about in a 10 day period ?

I have no shortage of Cypionate, HCG, Ai., only want Tren & Deca for Jan

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

any thoughts ?

[Low Testosterone]

It depends on the person. It would not be enough for someone that metabolizes the hormone slowly. You should be lower at that point but maybe not bottomed out. That said, the odds are in your favor but there is a chance it might not go your way.

[Baxter35]

As stated, it depends on the person. But for reference, the last time I had my trough tested for trt, I was 7 days out from a 100mg injection and total test was high 400's. If your doing 40mg twice a week, then there's a good chance 10 days out from a 40mg pin will be pretty low. Good luck. Too bad they're making you crash to get treatment. I don't get the point if that. They already know you're on trt, so all they're proving is that not taking your script will bottom out your test...do they really need blood work to know that??

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

[QUOTE=Baxter35;6952360]As stated, it depends on the person. But for reference, the last time I had my trough tested for trt, I was 7 days out from a 100mg injection and total test was high 400's. If your doing 40mg twice a week, then there's a good chance 10 days out from a 40mg pin will be pretty low. Good luck. Too bad they're making you crash to get treatment. I don't get the point if that. They already know you're on trt, so all they're proving is that not taking your script will bottom out your test...do they really need blood work to know that??[/QUOTE

THANKS !

lol , I dreaded the crash so I pinned 80mg this past Mon. @ 6:00 pm ! So I go next Thurs. at 11:00 am but I am eating super clean and metabolizing really good , lots of Cardio (1 hr a day and a heart rate of 150) & still training hard right now ! headed to gym now and hope to get another 2 good sessions in before I start dragging and hope I can still do cardio ( I have it in my mind I will and still do as much of a W/O as possible) I have a bum shoulder that I have never taken anytime off to let heal and just lowered weights Soooooo ? I will take from Sat to next Sat off and apply heat and just do strethcing and range of motion exercises ?

I have my fingers crossed that next Thurs. if I can drag my butt into the VA I will be around 350 or less ! I am giving blood Fri. to insure my red blood count is low and they don't even care about E-2, so if I can just get free Testosterone I know what to take and how to get my E-2 balanced with-in 2 weeks I have some Prop the get me started up a little faster and 20,000 iu's of HCG Plenty of Adex . I have no no mammory gland, I abused Gear at 20 when in the Marines ! Had full blown Gyno operation and it hurt ! ! ! ! So Ai for me is for sex drive and nips get a tiny bit tender when on Tren blast. I am still learning but have aquired quality info knowledge while (2yrs) on this forum !

I have learned a lot about nitrition and really burned some fat and packed on some (to me) amazing lean weight ! Check out my profile and see the progress from Oct of 12 to my current Avatar . This 55 year young Devil Dog is in better shape than when in the Marines but 37 yrs older 235 6 ft and a 33 in waist ? FIghting my last fst pouch in my abs and it has been a witch !

Also on cjc-1295- w/o DAC, GHRP-6, GHRP-2, Semorline, Improlin, 176- Frag, and PT-141, stopped my HCG so I expect to crash hard about Mon. ? So Endo is really Rocking ?

ANY AND ALL EXPERIENCED THOUGTS ARE WELCOME & THANK ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO OFFER YOUR EXPERIENCE

[Baxter35]

I checked out your profile, great progress and good to see another trt success story! Taking time off can be tough mentally, but giving your shoulder a break will pay off in the long run. My right shoulder has been a little wonky since my early 20's due to inexperienced lifting mistakes and not taking time off. I know how to lift now to avoid stressing it (have to use powerlifting form for bench press for example, wide grip bodybuilding form is guaranteed pain), but every now and then I take a week off from lifting altogether and it usually feels stronger after the rest.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I checked out your profile, great progress and good to see another trt success story! Taking time off can be tough mentally, but giving your shoulder a break will pay off in the long run. My right shoulder has been a little wonky since my early 20's due to inexperienced lifting mistakes and not taking time off. I know how to lift now to avoid stressing it (have to use powerlifting form for bench press for example, wide grip bodybuilding form is guaranteed pain), but every now and then I take a week off from lifting altogether and it usually feels stronger after the rest.

Thanks man ! I have not pinned since Mon. still doing OK but a little grumpy . . . lol . Headed to the gym in about an hour and may stay away until next Sat ?

[1979 Trans Am]

Great write up Buzzard! Your profile is impressive, keep up the great work.

BTW - how do you like the peptides while on TRT? Any personal favs or combos that you feel a difference on? I'm a TRT guy as well, so any intel is always appreciated.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Great write up Buzzard! Your profile is impressive, keep up the great work. BTW - how do you like the peptides while on TRT? Any personal favs or combos that you feel a difference on? I'm a TRT guy as well, so any intel is always appreciated.

IMO if you are serious about increasing your health and well being , peptides are required to improve all areas of your improvement journey ! I never go a day without a peptide ! They have many healthy used and make life much more manageable ! Great for anti aging and growth also !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I have not pinned since last Mon.at about 6:00 pm EST. ? Headed to the gym and feel OK a little tired but not as bad as I thought I would be feeling ?
Still alive and eating cleaner than ever ! May be 10% carbs. uped Ai & cut back to 1/2 gal. of water a day looking rather lean !
? ? ? ? not very vascular ? ? ? ? ? ?
Exactly 7 days sine last pin

Still on cialas & Deca 20MG EOD a nor 19 so not effecting Testosterone level ! No ED issues yet ? I would think I would be more vascular ? Maybe will not have any going to wait until Fri for BW ! Will have a pin in the vehicle for when I leave ! VA !

[ryobi1]

Bro I am assuming you are on cyp, your test levels are pretty high,it will take close to a month for the cyp to be out of your system,
then your htpa will suffer without a pct, so that would be the time to check blood levels, if you want to bear that.....
make out you are sick for a week or so, and delay getting bw done.....if you keep adding more test to your system, I doubt your
levels will reach the free cyp range....

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Bro I am assuming you are on cyp, your test levels are pretty high,it will take close to a month for the cyp to be out of your system, then your htpa will suffer without a pct, so that would be the time to check blood levels, if you want to bear that..... make out you are sick for a week or so, and delay getting bw done.....if you keep adding more test to your system, I doubt your levels will reach the free cyp range....

Deca, is a Nor 19 & doesn't effect Testosterone readings ? Other than that you may be right I really was lethargic today and going to the gym late to night been eating super clean , may be why I am dragging, target 0 carbs ? So probably @ 10% so that would be a reason to be low on energy ? Whole life of Cypionate is 7 days I am 8 days from last pin, my testosterone levels do not and never have been 0 ! As stated above only have to be under 400 to satisfy Dr. He had already seen why I started TRT with medical records from Civilian Dr.

[ryobi1]

yup...0 carbs you will be dragging your ass, are you trying a keto diet?.....
when you carb up, you are going to eat the donut shop, maybe throw some oats
or brown ricein your daily intake....did your fat intake increase as well?....
half life for cyp is 14 days.....then 7 more + 3.5 and so on.....then your levels will
drop, probably dramaticly, not sur eif youre on ai's or serms, hcg?....these will
help you get some of your natural production,(albeit how low it is ) at least
trying to stimulate production.....I think you will read high, if you get bw within a month

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

yup...0 carbs you will be dragging your ass, are you trying a keto diet?..... when you carb up, you are going to eat the donut shop, maybe throw some oats or brown ricein your daily intake....did your fat intake increase as well?.... half life for cyp is 14 days.....then 7 more + 3.5 and so on.....then your levels will drop, probably dramaticly, not sur eif youre on ai's or serms, hcg?....these will help you get some of your natural production,(albeit how low it is ) at least trying to stimulate production.....I think you will read high, if you get bw within a month

I am not cycling I am on TRT ? I take HCG all the time and have stopped that also ? Not to disagree ? But are you positive on the whole life of Cypionate being 15 days ? I think you are mistaken or why would TRT men pin every 3.5 days ? I guess I did understated my carb intake I add a cup of oats to every shake and have 5 a day, even a little raw honey ?

But I don't even mess with HGH I mix peptides that come close as I am doing now as stated in this thread ? Not doing PCT just going back to normal protocol after this Fri. ?

Are we discussing the same thing ? I blast from time to time . But normal for me is 140mg a week or 70mg every 3.5 days & HCG EOD & .5mg of Adex 1x a week ?

0 carbs is near impossible for a person live a normal life and not living to eat and train ? I am not sure you are clear on all you are offering as good info ? Try to google Cypionate and the whole life ?

[Baxter35]

Ryobi1, I don't think you fully understand what the OP is asking or trying to accomplish. He doesn't need his test levels to be bottomed out, just 400 or below. Based on the information provided, he'll be 10 days out from a 80mg pin when he gets his blood pulled. Everyone's a little different, but most likely he'll be under that 400 mark by then. You're correct that cyp can take a few weeks to be gone completely, but he doesn't need that to happen. Also, 14 day half life of cyp is commonly stated, but if you've ever been on trt you know levels can drop dramatically in the 7-10 day range. Try going 14 days btw pins at trt levels and then tell us how high levels stay in that time frame.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

.... half life for cyp is 14 days.....then 7 more + 3.5 and so on.....

You are wrong about the half-life.
Test cyp is around 8 days half-life. (That is what it says on the Perrigo test cyp leaflet that comes with every vial of my TRT meds. I believe that more than anything one reads on the internet.)

You don't understand how half-lives works.
The half-life stays constant. It does not go from 14 to 7 to 3.5 to 1.75 etc.
The amount of meds in your system gets cut in half every half-life. Thus after one half-life you have half the meds left. After another half life you have half of half left. (One quarter.) After another half-life you have half of a quarter left. (One-eighth.)

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

You are wrong about the half-life. Test cyp is around 8 days half-life. (That is what it says on the Perrigo test cyp leaflet that comes with every vial of my TRT meds. I believe that more than anything one reads on the internet.) You don't understand how half-lives works. The half-life stays constant. It does not go from 14 to 7 to 3.5 to 1.75 etc. The amount of meds in your system gets cut in half every half-life. Thus after one half-life you have half the meds left. After another half life you have half of half left. (One quarter.) After another half-life you have half of a quarter left. (One-eighth.)

So I pinned 80mg Mon. was a week ago ! A according to my BW the Testosterone level in my blood should have been about 950 so waiting now until Fri. to have BW around 12:00 pm that will be a little over 10 days . Today is Wed. and going to give blood to make sure RBC is inline ! So got my fingers crossed that Test. level will be below 400 ?

Oh , maybe in my mind but this is approximately 8+ days and my a$$ is dragging, been deep in TRT for 2yrs !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

So I pinned 80mg Mon. was a week ago ! A according to my BW the Testosterone level in my blood should have been about 950 so waiting now until Fri. to have BW around 12:00 pm that will be a little over 10 days . Today is Wed. and going to give blood to make sure RBC is inline ! So got my fingers crossed that Test. level will be below 400 ?

Oh , maybe in my mind but this is approximately 8+ days and my a$$ is dragging, been deep in TRT for 2yrs !

It has to be mental ? 10 days from last pin and I trained and did cardio on Thur. am like 1:00 am ! Gave a pint of blood today and I can barlely walk up steps ? I feel like total $hit ! I go get BW tomorrow Fri. the 14th about 11:00 am and will pin 200mg of Cypionate and HCG as soon as I get in my vehicle ! I will wait until Sat. to hit the gym and hope to have some drive again ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Leaving @ 8:30 for VA ? About an hour +, drive and I am Soooooo hungray ! ! ! !

[Baxter35]

Good luck man! Let us know how it goes when the results come back.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Good luck man! Let us know how it goes when the results come back.

Thanks man ! I went today and hope the blood draw will help ? I will have the results in my hands Wed. Thurs at the latest ! Oh pinned 200mg of Cyp at 2:00 today

[ryobi1]

I am not cycling I am on TRT ? I take HCG all the time and have stopped that also ? Not to disagree ? But are you positive on the whole life of Cypionate being 15 days ? I think you are mistaken or why would TRT men pin every 3.5 days ? I guess I did understated my carb intake I add a cup of oats to every shake and have 5 a day, even a little raw honey ?

But I don't even mess with HGH I mix peptides that come close as I am doing now as stated in this thread ? Not doing PCT just going back to normal protocol after this Fri. ?

Are we discussing the same thing ? I blast from time to time . But normal for me is 140mg a week or 70mg every 3.5 days & HCG EOD & .5mg of Adex 1x a week ?

0 carbs is near impossible for a person live a normal life and not living to eat and train ? I am not sure you are clear on all you are offering as good info ? Try to google Cypionate and the whole life ?

read the post again....half life is 14 days.....then 7...then 3.5....it takes a good month to get cyp out of your system...posably up to 2 months

[The Deadlifting Dog]

read the post again....half life is 14 days.....then 7...then 3.5....it takes a good month to get cyp out of your system...posably up to 2 months

You are wrong about the half-life. Test cyp is around 8 days half-life. (That is what it says on the Perrigo test cyp leaflet that comes with every vial of my TRT meds. I believe that more than anything one reads on the internet.)

You don't understand how half-lives works. The half-life stays constant. It does not go from 14 to 7 to 3.5 to 1.75 etc. The amount of meds in your system gets cut in half every half-life. Thus after one half-life you have half the meds left. After another half life you have half of half left. (One quarter.) After another half-life you have half of a quarter left. (One-eighth.)

[ryobi1]

thanks.....for the clarification....I am on cyp made by pfizer...you are right...I mis-understood how the half
life worked....but get it now....thanks again....I do believe it is 14 days thoough, from most people I talk to, and pharmekological
reports I read....but even at 8 days, it would take 40 days before you were extremely low on the dosed medication....
it is all about the math.....

I have only been on TRT for 3 months, so this forum is very informative for me, I do appreciated
being corrected if i pass on misinformation, I am just learning, and trying to find what works for me..
my doc has given me a pretty safe protocol, since I ddont think he quite understands trt....
150 mgs every 2 weeks...no hcg, or est control, so I am looking and reading everything I can...
I have everything on hand...but take very cautious doses .....

I will take a look at the info from the pharmacy when I get me next prescript, to confurm your claim..
ccheers bro

[Baxter35]

thanks.....for the clarification....I am on cyp made by pfizer...you are right...I mis-understood how the half
life worked....but get it now....thanks again....I do believe it is 14 days thoough, from most people I talk to, and pharmekological
reports I read....but even at 8 days, it would take 40 days before you were extremely low on the dosed medication....
it is all about the math.....

I have only been on TRT for 3 months, so this forum is very informative for me, I do appreciated
being corrected if i pass on misinformation, I am just learning, and trying to find what works for me..
my doc has given me a pretty safe protocol, since I ddont think he quite understands trt....
150 mgs every 2 weeks...no hcg, or est control, so I am looking and reading everything I can...
I have everything on hand...but take very cautious doses .....

I will take a look at the info from the pharmacy when I get me next prescript, to confurm your claim..
ccheers bro

I just checked the literature with my latest script, which is Sun Pharma, and it lists half life as 8 days as well. If you are doing 150mg every two weeks, make sure you get blood work pulled at the two week mark prior to taking your next injection. I think you'll be surprised how low you will be at that point. Every two weeks is outdated protocol based on apparently outdated understanding of half lives. At least once a week will be best to keep your hormones stable.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

You are wrong about the half-life. Test cyp is around 8 days half-life. (That is what it says on the Perrigo test cyp leaflet that comes with every vial of my TRT meds. I believe that more than anything one reads on the internet.)

You don't understand how half-lives works. The half-life stays constant. It does not go from 14 to 7 to 3.5 to 1.75 etc. The amount of meds in your system gets cut in half every half-life. Thus after one half-life you have half the meds left. After another half life you have half of half left. (One quarter.) After another half-life you have half of a quarter left. (One-eighth.)

I thank all of you gents for offering your knowledge and experience on my orginal question I agree I don't belie e all I read on the Internet and I don't even believe all I read in the pamplets that come with meds due to the language such as may, could , should and may have different effects is some pacients !

However I do trust the many senior members and mods on this forum that have been actually doing personal research and using a certain TRT proticol for, some as any as 6 years and kel kel is a very knowledgable member !

With this said his proticol is and many other the same . . . . . . 1) Inject Cypionate every 3.5 days to assist in keeping estrogen lower or in some case under control by lower doses more often ! 2) Inject HCG at 250iu's 3 day a week (I inject 100 iu's daily) 3) Take Ai as needed to keep E-2 as close to 26 - 30 for optiminal sex life ! I Have been on this proticol for a little over 2 years and I listen to my body + get BW every 4 mths and I am balanced not beause of my Dr. recommendations but through info gained on this forum !

I can even do a 2 to 3 month blast of Tren and finish off with Masteron and all I have to do is up my Ai and I am still balanced due to the Nor 19's not effecting your Test serum levels, they up your E-2, I have no Gyno issues due to complete removal of mamory glands at the age of 28 ! So I am 55 and 6ft bulking now only change diet and up to 238lbs & 6ft & still in a 33in waist pants ! On 140mg of Cypionate or 70mg every 3.5 days and will have an optiminial Test level from between 650 and 700 and E-2 will be in the 28 to 32 range pretty balanced to only have to .25mg of Adex a week . I give blood at the Red Cross EOM because it is healthy and to make sure I have no RBC issues at all ! This works for me ! All people are different !

I have done as told by the VA in hopes to get 10mL of free Cypionate every 3mths and if I was not low enough then I will carry on as do now and be happy ! THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN AND ASSISTANCE !

[RigPig]

BMP, arent you worried about someone from the VA stumbling across this and you end up screwing up your free treatment? You put allot of detail in your posts. Wouldn't be hard for them to figure it out.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

BMP, arent you worried about someone from the VA stumbling across this and you end up screwing up your free treatment? You put allot of detail in your posts. Wouldn't be hard for them to figure it out.

Are you refering to the VA in the USA ? They can't find their a$$ with both hands and the Dr. knew I was already on TRT , I did what he said and no I am not scared I have almost died 5 time ! Not much scares me I am a DA Marine with PTSD I look for death and have not met him yet ! But I do thank you for you consideration I was honest with the Navy Dr. told him I took 50mg of Deca a week for joint pain and HCG also ! His only question was where did I get it and I told him and he said leave it up to a crazy Marine to adapt & get what he wants

He is trying to over ride the Endo in Atlanta ? He wants to give me free Cypionate just needs labs to cover his a$$

[RigPig]

right on, guess you would know better than me. Just hate reading about our Vets getting f**ked over by the system after serving our countries. Seems like the ones that are supposed to help when you guys get back give you guys the hardest time.
- And thank you for your service BMP.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

right on, guess you would know better than me. Just hate reading about our Vets getting f**ked over by the system after serving our countries. Seems like the ones that are supposed to help when you guys get back give you guys the hardest time.
- And thank you for your service BMP.

Thanks ! I drove for 2.5 hours this morn for a 15 minute meeting that I had to wait 5hrs to get to see the right person and then she tells me it could have been handled on the phone ? WTF ? Got up at 4:00 am to beat the Atlanta traffic and got back home at 3:00 today ! Like my time is noting ! But miss a meeting and loose benifits !

[BigBen86]

Hey buzzard semper fi brother. I'm currently getting test cyp from the va wasn't too hard. My total test was 265. Problem is getting hcg the endo pretty much gave me the run down of "unless your trying to have children and want to stop trt then it's not really an option." I'm considering seeing a va urologist.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

hey buzzard semper fi brother. I'm currently getting test cyp from the va wasn't too hard. My total test was 265. Problem is getting hcg the endo pretty much gave me the run down of "unless your trying to have children and want to stop trt then it's not really an option." i'm considering seeing a va urologist.

keep trying different dr. Or get from good source !