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    is more gonna give more?

    I noticed that if I increase my test dossage slightly I seem to gain strength and a bit of weight . Is this common and if so where's the limits? I'm pining 1 mg twice a week now (m and T) of T 400. I increased it to 1.5 mg about 3 weeks ago for 14 days and gained 10 pounds and upped my bench by 25 pounds. I was told that 1000 mg a week was crazy and a bit dangerous so I reduced it back to 1 mg twice a week. But now I seem to be stuck . No recent gains in about 10 days. Is this normal?

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    By the way the pip at 1.5 mg was a MF#!!!!

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    Keeping test at the same amount will help maintain stable blood levels.
    Dialing in your ai and recovering properly is as important in not more important than cycle itself.
    Grow in to your cycles and avoid making dosage changes on the fly.

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    Is this your 1st cycle?

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    The way your body naturally grows is a series of gaining and plateauing. For me a cycle is always very similar. Gains will always, I repeat always be depicted by nutrition mainly. When things tend to slow, your body is most likely needing more calories to continue gaining. That and absolutely kill yourself in the gym, change your workouts up.

    Sometimes adding more compounds will affect gains of course. For example adding in anadrol or dianabol will put on weight. I wouldn't say increasing your test dose a couple hundred milligrams would do much. I would look at diet. Add In an extra meal before bed of possible......

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    Yeah kinda. I'm not cycling. I'm trt. I don't plan to every go completely off test.

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    Ok thanks. I only asked because I didn't change anything other than my dosage. Is 1000 mg a week to much for a "beginner"? If even for just a couple of months?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamcity View Post
    Yeah kinda. I'm not cycling. I'm trt. I don't plan to every go completely off test.
    Doesn't make sense? You said you are not cycling you are trt but in your first post you said you are injecting 1.5mg (did you mean ml?)
    What is what here ???

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    1000mg of trt??
    Can I have your trt doctors numbers

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    Sorry my phone is smarter than me. I text fast and I don't prof read

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    Doctor? Lol I'm self medicating..... a cycle indicates some sort of off time from the drug correct? So I'm never gonna complete stop , therefore it's a trt of sorts. Or am I not using the correct terminology?

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    1.5 ml @ 400 mg of test twice a week. But I only did this for about 5 injections. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamcity View Post
    1.5 ml @ 400 mg of test twice a week. But I only did this for about 5 injections. ...
    I am not trying to be ass but:
    The last piece of advice I going to give you is most important.
    Click on the lion arr on the top right of this page and order PCT and stop your trt or cycle or self medicating or whatever you call what your doing. Recovery get blood work and hope for best.
    Research but it shows you never did

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    Your body can only grow when a spurt of HgH is released. If you are not injecting HgH for months upon months as a suppliment then you are waiting on the body to do "its thing". There is no click that makes it exactly clockwork to know when you will get a spurt. As far as no gains that can be heavily dependant on your bf% and your diet. A recomp shows no gain but your mass % changed. If you do not eat enough you are not going to gain anything.

    As far as changing dose.,,,,set your cycle and follow it. The only reason to up the dose is to see where your sides kick in and you need to do weekly labs to verify this with an increase every 4 weeks or so. (This is test I am talking about).

    So you are on 1.2 grams a week. That is a lot of test. I think you need to stop what you are doing and read and learn form the stickies.

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    I respect your advise, but can you I'll a elaborate as to why ? What am I doing wrong other than the slight change in dossage for a small time ? I've maintained the injection the same prior and since. I'm takin my ai ( provi) , as well as I keep anastrozal for safe measures. So can you please explain why I should stop? I'm making great gains and have no sides! I don't understand. ..

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    did you get blood work done before this cycle/trt/self medicating thing

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    You are 10 times the trt dose, what you are doing is a cycle, but not coming off. You need to stop and hope to recover then do some research.

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    I respect your advise, but can you I'll a elaborate as to why ? What am I doing wrong other than the slight change in dossage for a small time ? I've maintained the injection the same prior and since. I'm takin my ai ( provi) , as well as I keep anastrozal for safe measures. So can you please explain why I should stop? I'm making great gains and have no sides! I don't understand. ..

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    I figured after 20 weeks of test at the current dossage I would taper back to around 100 mg a week to coast for about three month then repeat. Is this wrong or bad? I'm 40 years old! My natural test is half of what it was at 18. So this is my research provided I get some answers from the pros on this site. I really do appreciate your advise and I'm taking in everything. I just wish some more in depth info was provided instead of just saying stop and research. I obviously don't have twenty more years of hard core PT left in my old butt so I'm trying a last ditch effort to achieve a nice body for the few years I have left to get it. Again thanks guys for your valuable time to respond.

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    You don't have to stop. You're a grown man and you choose to do this cycle so.... You really do need to study and research as much as you can. At 800 mgs tes a week that's a pretty stout dose. Did you have bloods done prior? If so and you aren't having any sides then hit the gym and the food as hard as you can stand, get another blood test at 6 wks in, adjust your ai to control your estrogen, and party on dude. at about 12 wks cut back to a reasonable hrt dose. All the info you need to know on how to do all this is everywhere on the web so easy to find no reason you can't further your education and welcome to the dark side .

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    Thanks techtime. Yes I had blood work done. All is good . Enzymes are fine , blood pressure is great , and I'm in awesome over all health for an old fart. I will go back for another blood work check up in the next month to confirm things are still good. I appreciate your input and warm welcome brother. I will continue to research and lean .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamcity
    I respect your advise, but can you I'll a elaborate as to why ? What am I doing wrong other than the slight change in dossage for a small time ? I've maintained the injection the same prior and since. I'm takin my ai ( provi) , as well as I keep anastrozal for safe measures. So can you please explain why I should stop? I'm making great gains and have no sides! I don't understand. ..
    First, this being your first cycle you really don't need 800-1200mgs of test per week. 500mgs is plenty.
    Second, proviron is not an AI.
    You should be using your anastrozal not keeping it for safe measure.
    The reason you gained ten pounds when you bumped up your dose is probably from water weight. I would bet that your estrogen is sky high.

    You really should have done more research before starting this cycle.

    FYI... What you are attempting to do is called blasting and cruising.

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    So you don't think the proviron is having any Ani estrogen effects?
    From what I read and understand the anastrozal could lower the estrogen to dangerous lows and cause problems. I have zero sides as of yet. I repeat no sides. No gyno , no high blood pressure, no anything other than a bit of water weight. But the water is a given and not a bad thing as it helps lube things up. Correct? I appreciate the correct terminology on what it is I'm attempting to do. So in your opinion I should cut back to 500 mg a week ? For how long ? Techtime suggests 12 weeks. Do you agree? Then how should I tapper ? Against all advise is being digested and greatly appreciated.

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    Also , do you suggest I continue the provi, and add the anastrozal ? Or just drop the provi all together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamcity
    So you don't think the proviron is having any Ani estrogen effects? From what I read and understand the anastrozal could lower the estrogen to dangerous lows and cause problems. I have zero sides as of yet. I repeat no sides. No gyno , no high blood pressure, no anything other than a bit of water weight. But the water is a given and not a bad thing as it helps lube things up. Correct? I appreciate the correct terminology on what it is I'm attempting to do. So in your opinion I should cut back to 500 mg a week ? For how long ? Techtime suggests 12 weeks. Do you agree? Then how should I tapper ? Against all advise is being digested and greatly appreciated.
    500mgs/week 12-14 weeks max cycle time
    No tapering
    Drop the proviron
    Anastrozal at 25mgs (12.5mg x2 per day)
    Adjust AI if bloodwork warrants it.

    The proviron is having a very minor anti estrogen effect.

    What are you stats?
    How long have you been on this cycle?
    How much weight have you already put on?

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    Don't change anything till you do bloods or you won't learn anything from what you've done so far. When you get bloods done you will see your estrogen numbers and you will need to add your ai to adjust. How much ? Who knows forsure? It's going to be high but you said no sides so this will tell you something about how fast you convert. Start with a light dose of anastrozole stay with that dose and then in a couple of weeks pull bloods again. See where you are at and adjust ai dose if ness. By then it will be time to drop to your hrt dose and stay on it don't change around pull bloods in a month and see where you are. Boom ! It's a good start for you dude now Look all that shit up do you know it's right. Don't believe anything till you research it yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamcity View Post
    I noticed that if I increase my test dossage slightly I seem to gain strength and a bit of weight . Is this common and if so where's the limits? I'm pining 1 mg twice a week now (m and T) of T 400. I increased it to 1.5 mg about 3 weeks ago for 14 days and gained 10 pounds and upped my bench by 25 pounds. I was told that 1000 mg a week was crazy and a bit dangerous so I reduced it back to 1 mg twice a week. But now I seem to be stuck . No recent gains in about 10 days. Is this normal?
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    AAS does not correlate well between dosage increases and increases in muscular size and strength.

    The best way I can describe it is to say that there is a diminishing marginal return with the effectiveness of the dose. For example, going from 600mg to 900mg of test will NOT give you 50% more gains. You may increase your sides more than your gains.

    This is why we say to all the newbs they need to grow into their cycle. Taking massive amounts of AAS does not provide significant benefit above the normal dose of test. But as you progress and grow, you WILL need to increase your dose to break through all the plateaus. And as you do this, your sides will grow too.

    Now, let's you and I have a little chat about your doses.

    You are taking 2grams of test a week, and then you say "no gains in about 10 days'.

    if you are pinning a long burning esther like c or e, then it can take up to a month of this change to kick in

    what type esther are you taking with the test?

    and you probably need to drop your dose to 0.6 grams a week.

    how many years in the gym?

    what are your stats?
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    Thanks brother. The advise I needed. .....

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    As of Monday this will be my 11th week on this cycle.

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    look again. you replied while I edited my post

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    And 12 wks 14 wks doesn't matter if you are planning on staying on. Get all that info sorted out best you can before you drop to hrt dose. Write you protocol and doses on labs and next time you blast off your hrt do the same testing protocol every time. And dude you will be amazed at what you can learn about your body and the way this works best. Also find a doc to assist you in this path. They are out there.

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    Haha! You know it man !

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    Ok, so to be clear this is what I have done so far.
    Week one I pinned 1.5 mg of test 400 on Monday
    1 mg on Tuesday
    1 mg on Thursday
    Front load week one....

    From there
    1 mg every Monday and Thursday except 3 weeks ago I pinned
    1.5 mg every Monday and Thursday for 2 weeks.
    I was told that was a no no and so I reverted back to
    1 mg every Monday and Thursday up to present. ..

    In 39 years old
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    190 pounds
    15% bf
    This is my first cycle.
    I'm trying to gain up to 225 lean.
    I've never been above 175 pounds despite eating like a f***ing horse.
    Until the test. My body is ectomorph. I'm eating 5000 + calories a day, but the reason for the cycle is to look good before the window of opportunity closes. I'm sure I only have maybe 7 or 8 years of hard PT before gains will be next to impossible to get and or they just won't look as good. Most 50+ guys regardless of physical aptitudes just loose something aesthetically!

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    Hey now this is from the 50s+ group dude !
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    That's amazing! !! But I bet the start for this person was well before 40?!?.
    I would be happy with one quarter of that.

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    On the flip side I started at 150. I'm now 190 and contrary to what ppl want to say it's not all water weight. It might be 10 pounds maybe ?!?!?
    I'm very lean! Also I'm very pleased with the result. Many hard hours at the gym.

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    Any thoughts on a anadrol cycle in a month or so? Is this ok for me to do to get that extra poundage I'm looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamcity
    That's amazing! !! But I bet the start for this person was well before 40?!?. I would be happy with one quarter of that.


    Haha! Brother the start for that " person" haha was at 48 and is almost 53 right there. Or at least I will be in a couple of months. You should see the befores !

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    Looks great bro. Your an inspiration for guys like me. Keep it up

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    You shouldn't add any compounds in with the tes yet. When you drop to your hrt dose you wont start to lose any gains for a long long time. Ride you hrt dose and keep eating big and healthy. In about three months.... Then you can look at whether another tes only would be the ticket or you can look at adding.

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