Tren and t3.

[Najee786]

6ft 200lbs now 12.8-13% bodyfat callipers

Coming towards the end of my tren cycle on 400mg of ace and 200 test prop a week. Last 3 weeks of the above. I threw in some t3 2 weeks ago so I could taper up and down on the t3. I've pushed the t3 from 50 to 100mg in the past two weeks and my diet has gone to shit. Pizza ice cream donuts cookies ice cream everything and anything has literally destroyed my tongue my mind. Don't get me wrong still pushing 300-350g protein but my carbs have gone from 150g carbs to 700g. I literally can't stop eating my metabolism is going crazy. I'm pushing 6000+ calories minimum and have cravings for sugary foods every night before I go to bed otherwise I can't sleep. No seriously I lay in bed from 11pm till 4am with a content stomach but my tongue was salivating literally and my mind to won't let me sleep and craves it. Problem is the scales aren't changing but my body is recomping but in a much slower way. Shall I drop the t3 dose lower or completely? Does the actual t3 fat burning effects take a few weeks to kick in?

[austinite]

If that's what it's doing to you then just drop it. T3 goes to work moments after you take it.

[AussieMachine]

I'm assuming you mean 100mcg and not 100mg of T3?

I'm not a big fan of T3 unless I'm trying to go from 7%bf to be contest shredded. I feel you can get very lean without T3 and its not something you should mess with for long periods.

If I was you, I would drop the T3

[Najee786]

Yes my apologies mcg. Don’t get me wrong it has gotten me down after the few weeks I’ve used it but literally everyday I’m eating junk junk junk. I’m a strict dieter normally with a fast metabolism as an ecto-meso. I’m just scared that this tongue taster I have will last even when I drop the t3 meaning I’m going to keep bingeing when I come off the AAS cycle!

[tice1212]

Yes my apologies mcg. Don't get me wrong it has gotten me down after the few weeks I've used it but literally everyday I'm eating junk junk junk. I'm a strict dieter normally with a fast metabolism as an ecto-meso. I'm just scared that this tongue taster I have will last even when I drop the t3 meaning I'm going to keep bingeing when I come off the AAS cycle!

Its called "will power" brother. U may need to find some. Not trying to be a dick honestly.

[ScotchGuard02]

When I went to visit my endo he said that the half life of T3 was 8 hours. I read on the internet 1 day half life for T3. Your body makes about 25mcg/ed. 100mcg is a strong amount of T3. I would drop the dose to 50mcg/ed.

[tice1212]

When I went to visit my endo he said that the half life of T3 was 8 hours. I read on the internet 1 day half life for T3. Your body makes about 25mcg/ed. 100mcg is a strong amount of T3. I would drop the dose to 50mcg/ed.

Yeah I have read in a couple of places the half life is 24hr. 100mcg is a shit ton as well.

[Najee786]

Yeah I've dropped to 75mg and as a result the carb and calories have dropped but not substantially. I think on that basis I may need to put it to the sweet spot of 50.

To the brother above, I hear you about will power but what can you do when you spend two nights with no sleep dedicated to your tongue and your mind craving those sweet sugary carbs. By this 48 hour mark I couldn't even train properly. I'm a strict dieter and tried but I must concede 100 is too strong for me in this case and lowering the t3 dose is more beneficial for calorie and macros to be hit.

[XxAndreaxX]

I had the same side on T3. I was constantly searching for food. but not normal food. High caloric one. junk food. I thaught it was cool, more food, more gains, more T3, more lean out. I was wrong. I was looking flat, and was very lean for shure, but nothing compared to when I do the same on clen. I'd drop T3 bro, try clen. IMO its even better low cal diet rather then T3

[Roger11]

Didnt reeally notice an appetite increase on T3 and i run always 100mcg on a cut. But now that ive read this im currently bulking and thinking about adding in 25-50mcg ED, also no need to taper t3. Aust has an article explaining. Ive never and ive run it at least once per year since 2012 and my thyroid is fine when i come off. Tapering is old and outdated. No need.

[Najee786]

Thanks for replies guys I think I'm going to try this 50 for a few days and if no joy then scrap altogether.

I also had another question in regards to tren that my friend informed me about. He says coming off tren the usual way just wreaks havoc if going for a straight blast on pct. He told me instead taper off the tren and add two weeks of test only? Any logic or bro science certified?

[XxAndreaxX]

Didnt reeally notice an appetite increase on T3 and i run always 100mcg on a cut. But now that ive read this im currently bulking and thinking about adding in 25-50mcg ED, also no need to taper t3. Aust has an article explaining. Ive never and ive run it at least once per year since 2012 and my thyroid is fine when i come off. Tapering is old and outdated. No need.

I had some strong rebound without taper. I had to go on again, and then taper down. with taper down, I had only natural rebound.
Taper down doesn't harm, and IMO makes recovery much smoother.

[AussieMachine]

Thanks for replies guys I think I'm going to try this 50 for a few days and if no joy then scrap altogether.

I also had another question in regards to tren that my friend informed me about. He says coming off tren the usual way just wreaks havoc if going for a straight blast on pct. He told me instead taper off the tren and add two weeks of test only? Any logic or bro science certified?

It's interesting that you mention not ending a cycle on tren. I have ended a cycle on tren/test and found recovery a lot harder. However, if I ran a fast acting test or d-bol for 2-3 weeks after my last tren shot, recovery seemed a lot easier.

Maybe someone can chime in with more detail on this

[Roger11]

I had some strong rebound without taper. I had to go on again, and then taper down. with taper down, I had only natural rebound.
Taper down doesn't harm, and IMO makes recovery much smoother.

How do you know you had a rebound? Dont tell me you gained weight. Thats what everyone says that i have asked, then i ask there diet and there eating more calories than there maintenance hence the weight gain haha! .

What symptoms did you have mate?

[XxAndreaxX]

How do you know you had a rebound? Dont tell me you gained weight. Thats what everyone says that i have asked, then i ask there diet and there eating more calories than there maintenance hence the weight gain haha! .

What symptoms did you have mate?

yeah, you got the point. Maybe diet. take in mind, on T3 you could end up eating more, if you end T3 suddenly, you might go on eating like a pork. maybe that's the rebound, maybe its a mixture between low T3 and high caloric. don't really know.
your friend is right, I'm always on long ester, so I quit tren 1-2 weeks before test

[jimmyinkedup]

OP Let us know how it goes at 50mcg/day after you try that for several days.

[tice1212]

OP Let us know how it goes at 50mcg/day after you try that for several days.

Yeah please OP. Good luck brother!

[Najee786]

Quick update: dropped to 50. Good news was it was a non training day and dropped to 3200 cals which is significantly lower than my binge cals.

Yesterday was an intense leg and shoulder session. No word of a lie I was on 2200 calories by 10pm. Hit the deck and my tongue was salivating on the pillow with my mind fully alert. Waited out till 11pm had a banana and went back to bed. Still couldn't sleep and so at 12:30 the binge commenced and I ended up eating cookies cakes crisps and some more fruit. Hit 6000 calories by this point. No insomnia straight golden sleep on tren finally. Woke up. Took a wee. Lost more fat on my ab region. Seriously I'm happy that this is happening because naturally as an ecto i rampage through food: However, I'm scared of coming off the tren and t3 and rebounding this all on. I know many of you will criticise like previously it's all will power etc but there's nothing I can do - complex or simple carbs my body just wants to eat.

Anyway from these past two days I think I'm going to drop the t3 and taper off because I don't want a huge a rebound and especially if I come off tren then I'm screwed! Anyone have a safe protocol from here on out to jump off please?

50/50/25/25/25/12.5/12.5 perhaps?

[jimmyinkedup]

Tapering isnt gonna do anything for you man. It really wont. It not going to prevent any rebound etc. Just stop and maybe suplement with guggul extract and iodine to get thyroid working as quickly as possible. It bounces back quickly.