First cycle mistakes

[ViJ]

First Cycle….And yea I made mistakes. Shocker, I know.
So I thought I did a good amount of research before starting. Ironically, most of the information I got was from this website, just not in the forum. I really didn’t start looking at this forum until a couple weeks ago and the more I read the more realized I based my cycle off misinformation.
So I’m on week 9 right now. I’m 5’10’’ and I’ve jumped from 165 to 183 while maintaining 9% BF. Good results, I’ve got no complaints. I’ve made my biggest gains in strength and work capacity, which is in line with my goals. And no side effects to speak of. Here was my plan:
Wks 1 -12 test prop 150mg eod
Arimadex on hand
HCG blast pre-PCT
PCT: Nolva 40/40/20/20

First thing, the HCG. Yes I read Austinite’s thread (with tears in my eyes hah) and every repetitive question after it. That was this week. So I’ve kinda missed the boat on implementing HCG properly. From what I gather I’m too late in the game to start using it for the last 4 weeks. And it seems like doing the blast is counterproductive. So my only option is to shelve it until my next go around (I didn’t reconstitute). Anyone have any other thoughts?

Next, the prop. I’ve also now read that prop only cycles shouldn’t go past 8 weeks. But I haven’t seen any reasoning other than the pinning discomfort. Are there any physiological reasons why I should stop now and not complete the last 3 ½ weeks?

PCT. I’m gonna order some clomid to go with the nolva and follow Austinite's doseage recommendation in the 'first cycle' thread. Luckily I still have time if I complete the 12 weeks.

Anyone have any other suggestions? Especially for the PCT. I’m having post-cycle apprehension hah. Don’t know if that’s actually a thing, I just don’t want this to end.

Thanks

[PrettyPlease?]

First Cycle….And yea I made mistakes. Shocker, I know.
So I thought I did a good amount of research before starting. Ironically, most of the information I got was from this website, just not in the forum. I really didn’t start looking at this forum until a couple weeks ago and the more I read the more realized I based my cycle off misinformation.
So I’m on week 9 right now. I’m 5’10’’ and I’ve jumped from 165 to 183 while maintaining 9% BF. Good results, I’ve got no complaints. I’ve made my biggest gains in strength and work capacity, which is in line with my goals. And no side effects to speak of. Here was my plan:
Wks 1 -12 test prop 150mg eod
Arimadex on hand
HCG blast pre-PCT
PCT: Nolva 40/40/20/20

First thing, the HCG. Yes I read Austinite’s thread (with tears in my eyes hah) and every repetitive question after it. That was this week. So I’ve kinda missed the boat on implementing HCG properly. From what I gather I’m too late in the game to start using it for the last 4 weeks. And it seems like doing the blast is counterproductive. So my only option is to shelve it until my next go around (I didn’t reconstitute). Anyone have any other thoughts?

Next, the prop. I’ve also now read that prop only cycles shouldn’t go past 8 weeks. But I haven’t seen any reasoning other than the pinning discomfort. Are there any physiological reasons why I should stop now and not complete the last 3 ½ weeks?

PCT. I’m gonna order some clomid to go with the nolva and follow Austinite's doseage recommendation in the 'first cycle' thread. Luckily I still have time if I complete the 12 weeks.

Anyone have any other suggestions? Especially for the PCT. I’m having post-cycle apprehension hah. Don’t know if that’s actually a thing, I just don’t want this to end.

Thanks

I am sure there are plenty here who will disagree with me but here are my thoughts.


As for the HCG I think running it the last few weeks while not the best way is still better than not running it at all but I would absolutely not blast it. Just prime the interstitial cells to be receptive to LH once you begin post cycle. Also I would have been on an AI and if you are going to run the HCG even more of a reason to run one. I do not like the idea of entering post cycle with high estrogen levels.

The way I view HCG (<---- NOTE PERSONAL OPINION NOT ADVISING OR CLAIMING AS FACT) is not too long ago guys did not even know what post cycle was, then when it became a normal thing to do it inititally did not include HCG, then HCG was taught to be used the way you had planned, now its preached to be used on cycle the whole length of the cycle. Bottom line guys were recovering fine long before HCG use was widespread so don't stress too much about it. Many physicians don't have patients post cycle. The body has this remarkable capacity to maintain homeostasis. You will still recover albeit not as optimally as you possibly could.

As for the prop past 8 weeks its mainly just not being a pin cushion is the reason that is stated.

[Mr.BB]

Use the HCG for the last 4 weeks, its better than not using it, 250ui twice a week.

Also start on arimidex 0,25mg EOD.

[PrettyPlease?]

Use the HCG for the last 4 weeks, its better than not using it, 250ui twice a week.

Also start on arimidex 0,25mg EOD.

Agreed

[The Deadlifting Dog]

The biggest mistake you made was not running an AI.
Start an AI asap.
Start the hCG.
FYI 18lbs in 9 weeks is easily half water weight.

[ViJ]

Thanks for the input. Started the arimidex.

For the HCG I understand what you guys are saying, I mean some leydig sensitization is better than none. It makes sense. But for 3 1/2 weeks at the tail end it kinda seems like the effects will be negligible. Not sure if it's worth burning my entire vial over when I could save it for next time and have enough for the whole cycle.

[Joco71]

Imo I would add clomid to you pct 100/50/50/50/ as it works in synergy with the nolvadex .

[PrettyPlease?]

Thanks for the input. Started the arimidex.

For the HCG I understand what you guys are saying, I mean some leydig sensitization is better than none. It makes sense. But for 3 1/2 weeks at the tail end it kinda seems like the effects will be negligible. Not sure if it's worth burning my entire vial over when I could save it for next time and have enough for the whole cycle.

It will be enough. You can always get another one down the line but I would not suggest skipping it.

[ViJ]

OK. I appreciate the help guys.

Joco - yea I'm ordering Clomid too.