Cutting Cycle: Test P and Primo + PCT
Below is a full cycle work up, I am confident I have most of my p's and q's down. I wrote this up so others can see what acutally goes into planning a full cycle for cutting. Its a long read but I researched this in the Anabolics book by William Llewellyn and answered as many questions I could for the newbs and the senior bodybuilding group can perfect my cycle below, if your up for a challenge, tweaks, tips, bro science appreciated. [B]
Stats: 33 age
Wt: 212lbs
Ht: 70in 5 10
BF: 15%
5th Cycle - Test E and MAST + hCG + PCT
10 Years weight lifting
10 Years strong dieting
Competition Experience: None, just athletic experience.
Goal: Looking to do a Physique Contest Summer 2016, so this cycle would get me to a lean weight of 185-190 at around 8-10 percent. Then from there, Dec – May, would need to keep off cycle with serms, get sculpted gains in weak areas, possibly another mass stack plus another cut stack, but need to stay as lean as possible, and maybe even HGH. Pre-contest 6-8 weeks out. Yes I am a newbie when it comes to amateur bodybuilding, even if its physique contest, NPC.
January 2016 getting gyno surgery, right before starting prep for competition, again, I am looking to set that date between may and july for competition, possibly Tampa or Miami, FL.
Testover E (Testosterone Enanthate) 250 mg/ml 10 ml 2xVials: Recommended dosage: this is has changed in every forum so I went with Anabolics, by William Llewellyn, 500mg/week, although this is his recommendation, do you suggest higher doses for this type of cycle?
Wk 1-16 500mg week/ Tuesday/Thursday Injection
OP Repy: Changed Test Prop to Test E, with proper diet/wkout, I can cut to 8-10 percent from 15 percent.
Reply OP: Many members told me to do something simple, I can cut and gain Test E/mast with proper diet/workout with these two aas products.
Mastever (Drostanolone Propionate) 100 mg/ml 10 ml x2 Vials: Recommended dosage: this is has changed in every forum so I went with Anabolics, by William Llewellyn, he recommended a dose between: around 200mg/week. If you think this is too low then let me know?
Wk 1-16 200mg week, I changed Primo over to Mast.
Arimidex (adex) Inhibitor for estrogen, will use from Wk 2-12ose: .25mg EOD or ED depending on puffiness of nipples, I can tell if my already gyno is getting sore. I know I need some estrogen but will be caughtious to not enhance gyno.
Comments from Others: Your dose is too high for 300mg/week. Generally .25mg EOD works for 500mg test/week. Ok, easy fix. I updated it to .25mg.
hCG Wk 9-12: Have not used this before but I know its better to use in the last three weeks, instead of PCT, I am sure there are differing opinions on this on. According to Anabolics, by William Llewellyn, recommended dosage is 100 IU daily, 200 IU EOD, or 250 IU three times per week for general use are effective.
First time on hCG, kind of scared mixing the sterile water with hCG. I have never mixed anything before except inject test/mast and a little winni at the end of a cycle, plus novadex for pct. According to Anabolics book, take this during cycle so your nuts won’t get zapped, and cosmetically look like shriveled little raisins. I prefer to use this at the end of the cycle vs PCT, so my natural test gets a kick, plus my nuts can start going back to normal.
hCG: Prefere Sub-q, Total 5,000 iu total for four weeks, end of cycle.Recommended dosage by Steriod.com, X_Moe, in his hCG sticky, is 500 – 1000 iu,
Instructions: hcg comes packaged in two ways!
“You get 2 vials or amps, 1 has the powdered hcg in it, and the other has a diluent in it(solvent). The diluent is typically bacteriostatic water, or sterile water w/ .09% sodium chloride. ***ending on the brand and version, the package commonly comes w/ enough diluent to make concentrations ranging from 250-10,000iu per ml.”
“Mixing and Injecting with insulin pins: 1-buy some insulin syringes, U-100 type. On the graduated markings, the 100iu mark is equal to 1ml, the 50iu is .5ml etc. THIS DOES NOT MEAN IF YOU FILL IT TO THE 100IU MARK THAT YOU ARE TAKING 100IU OF HCG! Iu's are not a measurement of volume or weight, they are a measure of effectiveness for a desired response from specific drugs/compounds. Every compound is different. These are insulin syringes, and they are made for insulin-not hcg. Insulin is the same iu concentration per ml everytime(if its u100 type), hcg is not. Imagine if you made your hcg 10,000iu per ml. if you fill the insulin syringe up to 100iu mark, you now have 10,000iu in there! Not good. You must understand this. So if you had 5000iu per ml, and wanted to take a 500iu shot, you would inject 10iu on the insulin syringe scale.”
Reference: http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-c...egnyl-faq.html
PCT: starts 3 days after last Test P injection
Wk 1-2: Clomid @ 100 mgs/day
Wk 1-2: Nova @ 40 mgs/day
Wk 3-4: Clomid @ 50 mgs/day
Wk 3-4: Nova @ 20 mgs/day
Comments from Others on PCT:
I remember reading about his protocol in case law and it was a 45 day protocol, running hCG, clomiphene, and tamoxifen. He'd ad mister the hCG for 15 days and so some blood work to check different hormone levels, depending upon results , he'd either extend the hCG treatment or you would just finish with clomid and nolvadex. I know his method evolved over time, and this was, I believe, the protocol he was using a when he was practicing.
Should I start hCG only in PCT, or should I start hCG, last two weeks of cycle then start PCT still running hCG. Again, don't bash me, I am new to hCG.
Cycle Support:
Cholesterol Support: Lipid Stabil (3 caps/day) Fish Oil (4g/day)
Hair loss. I am simply going to provide a list of possible treatment methods:
• Finasteride
• Minoxidil
• Dutasteride
• Proscar
• N2Shampoo
• Azelex (Anti-DHT cream)
These are the most commonly used for treatment of hairloss. Choose wisely and research thoroughly for side effects before use of any of these products.
Blood Work Check
Update: 13 August 2015: Got Pre cycle bloodwork.
-Pre: http://www.*************.com/
-Mid: LabsMD - Simple and Secure Lab Tests Online
-After: LabsMD - Simple and Secure Lab Tests Online
Off-Cycle Support (OCT) after AAS and PCT
Anyone have a good book, with factual scientific studies showing SARMS is an awesome pick over aas?
OCT cycle
1-11 need2slin
Vitamin D 3000IU day
Calcium 500mg/day
Zinc Sulphate 250mg/day
D-Aspartic Acid 3.2g
Muscle Cell Re sensitization: Arachidonic Acid 250mg/day
Fish Oil, 2g/day
Anabolic Supplementation: Creatine 5g/day
Beta-Alanine 3-6 g/day
BCAA 10g/day
Diet tips according to Rambo:
Sample Diet: http://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutri...mple-diet.html
I am doing the diet he listed with a little alteration.
Diet is short due to lengthy post:
If you wanted to know, I had a whole diet write up but three senior members said this was too long, so I went with links on the diet. My diet is the key to success, believe me, you can't compete without a strict diet, understood. Additionally, you can't do a physique contest if you can't see your abs but are huge, so I am trying to learn as much as possible on how to look my best when I am on stage. Takes a lot of work, as you probably know. Diet 80% workout 10% gear 10%. Anyways. I like your comments though. My friend who competes always tells me gear is only a vehicle to achieve your results, with out the gas/diet, and without the oil/workout, the car won't get there.
Diet is king on gear and off gear. I am using my friends diets, he makes them for me, and my wife makes whats on the meal plan. That simple. I don't eat anything different, I don't snack or venture off my diet. I see results but know that with the proper diet, good workout plan, and good cardio plan, lean mass can be gained while cutting up.
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