Feeling sick after pinning

[Brosef]

So I'm pretty new to this. Started a 12 week cycle with Test-E at 400mg/ week, every 3.5 days. I pin with new needles every time. Usually about 4 hours after I pin I get flu like symptoms. Headache, feel very achy, trouble sleeping and even slight fever at times. Symptoms typically fade after about 24 hours. I don't have gyno or oily skin or increased hair growthm but, It's pretty bad and I'm thinking about abandoning the whole thing. It's from Nue-Bolics and I got it from a friend of mine in which it worked well for him. Any suggestions y'all think I should correct to ensure I don't feel terrible every time I pin? Thanks!

[Brosef]

Also, I wanted to mention I get random weird rashes on my skin in random areas. Not sure if there is any correlation there or not.

[jnewton86]

Are you aspirating before you inject?
Where are you injecting exactly?
Is the injection site warm to the touch?

[Brosef]

Yes, I am aspirating… Just pulling back and when i see nothing I proceed with the injection. I'm two finger breadths down from my acromion- right into the rear delt. It's not warm to the touch and isn't red. Don't think its infected.

[jnewton86]

Yes, I am aspirating… Just pulling back and when i see nothing I proceed with the injection. I'm two finger breadths down from my acromion- right into the rear delt. It's not warm to the touch and isn't red. Don't think its infected.

Is this your first cycle? Its clear there is something in the UGL your body does not like. I would get blood work done before I pinned again.

Why the rear delts when you can do glutes and thighs?

[Brosef]

OK, ill go to the local place for that… Yes its my first cycle. I don't know I just know the anatomy of the shoulder well, would rather go there and avoid hitting a nerve or something. Maybe try another area?

[djgreen]

like newton said its prob something in the oil your doing 400mg one of the few ways to make a concentration that high is with EO oil which is toxic some ppl can handle it but I would bet its the EO I would try different gear with 250 mg and you most likely wont have that problem

[Brosef]

Do you think it might be bunk?

[jnewton86]

OK, ill go to the local place for that… Yes its my first cycle. I don't know I just know the anatomy of the shoulder well, would rather go there and avoid hitting a nerve or something. Maybe try another area?

I would get blood work before I pinned again, never know what it could be doing to your body. I would most definitely pin in the glutes or thighs for your first cycle. Even if you did hit a nerve, pull it out, change the needle, and inject again.

No way to tell for certain if its legit unless you own a lab and have it tested. Only way to tell is to inject and get blood work done.

[djgreen]

prob not bunk if your friend got results off it its most likely the EO you arnt agreeing with

[Thyroid_cursed77]

like newton said its prob something in the oil your doing 400mg one of the few ways to make a concentration that high is with EO oil which is toxic some ppl can handle it but I would bet its the EO I would try different gear with 250 mg and you most likely wont have that problem

I'm thinking he is using 200mg a pin, for 400 hundred a week. That is interesting, I did not know that they did that to get up to 400mg.

I would get blood work before I pinned again, never know what it could be doing to your body. I would most definitely pin in the glutes or thighs for your first cycle. Even if you did hit a nerve, pull it out, change the needle, and inject again. No way to tell for certain if its legit unless you own a lab and have it tested. Only way to tell is to inject and get blood work done.

Right, that's part of the risk that's being taken. I try my best to do research. I talked to some fellows on a forum for three months before I finally used their source. And even then I made sure they had not been tampered with. I also went to the manufacturers site to run a product number check. Still, like you said, there is no way to be sure. I guess since his friend used it he felt it was gtg. Then again, can he trust that friend to provide same thing. I couldn't even begin to list the crappy things I've seen people do to friends.

[testluva]

Simple answer. Your gear probably has a blend of EO, that known to cause flu like symptoms after pinning.

[Mr.BB]

Flu like symptoms after pinning are normal for first timers, regardless of source.

If it was contaminated you would get infection wich is very different, if it was bunk you wouldnt get any test flu.

You need to ride it out, it will eventually get better. If you cant stand it go to pct, not everyone is cut out for this.

How old are you? Stats?

[Brosef]

Flu like symptoms after pinning are normal for first timers, regardless of source.

If it was contaminated you would get infection wich is very different, if it was bunk you wouldnt get any test flu.

You need to ride it out, it will eventually get better. If you cant stand it go to pct, not everyone is cut out for this.

How old are you? Stats?

I'm 27, 6'3" and was 185 when starting, now I'm 205. I look bigger and am stronger but I am less defined than I used to be. I was thinking of completing this then taking Clomid PCT, then switching to Anavar or something… Something that doesn't make me feel terrible all the time….

[Juced_porkchop]

Flu like symptoms after pinning are normal for first timers, regardless of source.

If it was contaminated you would get infection wich is very different, if it was bunk you wouldnt get any test flu.

You need to ride it out, it will eventually get better. If you cant stand it go to pct, not everyone is cut out for this.

How old are you? Stats?

I agree with this, it happend to be the first couple cycles, mostly the first, felt like i was getting sick but then nothing. from time to time ill get the odd crappy feeling after a shot but its rare. BUT it can also be allergic reactions causing this, specially since OP is mentioning rash also.

[Juced_porkchop]

I'm 27, 6'3" and was 185 when starting, now I'm 205. I look bigger and am stronger but I am less defined than I used to be. I was thinking of completing this then taking Clomid PCT, then switching to Anavar or something… Something that doesn't make me feel terrible all the time….

dont do oral only cycles or any without test man, trust me there is alot of reasons. main is your body needs test for many functions and any steroid will shut down your own production of it while on cycle and if you are takign steroids without test added to cycle then you are not replacing what you are losing.

pretty much i rec try another lab if you dont like this gear, and try test another 1 or 2 times and if its a no go then give up on AAS, IMO

[Bonaparte]

It contains something you are sensitive/allergic to. It is probably also dirty, hence the flu symptoms. Just abort cycle now. It isn't worth it.

[Brosef]

It contains something you are sensitive/allergic to. It is probably also dirty, hence the flu symptoms. Just abort cycle now. It isn't worth it.

I decided today that I can't continue to punish myself like this. I am feeling worse and worse, my arm where I pinned is KILLING me. Now I'm to the point where I can't work out. I'm going to cancel this cycle. Is there anything I need to take to get my own test levels back to normal just being 4 weeks in?
I may try another pharmacy in the future but for now I'm out.

[king6 II]

You could start PCT right away however, only you can judge how bad it is. You might need to go to the doc and explain what is going on, you don't want to mess around with anything that can be potentially dangerous like a bad infection.

[djgreen]

noooooo don't tell the doc you have been injecting illegal drugs in your body BIG mistake just start pct with clomid and nolva and you will be fine

[king6 II]

Decision is your. PCT wont do anything for a bacterial infection at your injection site. FYI, I have injected numerous times, glutes, delts, pectorals, quats, biceps. I have never had what you are describing. First guess is some type of infection. You can gamble that it will go away or you can go to the doc. This is the name of the game we play, everything has risks. Ball is in your court. If it does not get better in a few days, and or gets worse, I would go seek medical attention.

[Bonaparte]

Give it a few days and see if the pain subsides. In my experience, shots from painful gear take about 5 days to start feeling better. Start a light PCT 2 weeks after your last shot (20mg of Nolva for 6 weeks).

[Brosef]

Give it a few days and see if the pain subsides. In my experience, shots from painful gear take about 5 days to start feeling better. Start a light PCT 2 weeks after your last shot (20mg of Nolva for 6 weeks).

Ok, I'm actually feeling a little better today and my arm hurts a little less. Feeling more like a normal human… I thought Nolva is only for if you get gyno during your cycle and Clomid is meant to get your natural test levels back to normal. Can I just get that online?

[Mr.BB]

This will answer all your questions: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[Bonaparte]

Ok, I'm actually feeling a little better today and my arm hurts a little less. Feeling more like a normal human… I thought Nolva is only for if you get gyno during your cycle and Clomid is meant to get your natural test levels back to normal. Can I just get that online?

Clomid and Nolva largely serve the same function. Clomid just happens to suck at controlling gyno, whereas nolva does both well.
You'll be fine with Nolva alone.

[Brosef]

Clomid and Nolva largely serve the same function. Clomid just happens to suck at controlling gyno, whereas nolva does both well.
You'll be fine with Nolva alone.

Can I just get online?

[TheTaxMan]

If you researched and prepared yourself you should have clomid and nolva already at hand.

But yes you can buy it online, almost every steroid supplier sells both.

[Brosef]

If you researched and prepared yourself you should have clomid and nolva already at hand.

But yes you can buy it online, almost every steroid supplier sells both.

So I got my Nolva, when should I start taking it?

Also, I just was looking at the test-600x and VAR-10, are these something I could take since I wasn't having any luck with the test-e?

[john283]

If you're using aseptic technique and you are getting an increase in body temp (not just feeling hot but your actual temp is higher), then it's more than likely just test flu.

Irritation at the arm is likely from high BA content, ask your source to tell you how much BA/BB is used in it.

Increase body temp is likely test flu

Feeling hot and sweating hard at night without increase in temp and a general feeling of sickness could be you crashed your estro (that's what I had done).

[Bonaparte]

If you're using aseptic technique and you are getting an increase in body temp (not just feeling hot but your actual temp is higher), then it's more than likely just test flu.

Irritation at the arm is likely from high BA content, ask your source to tell you how much BA/BB is used in it.

Increase body temp is likely test flu

Feeling hot and sweating hard at night without increase in temp and a general feeling of sickness could be you crashed your estro (that's what I had done).

You think that aseptic technique can protect him from all the filth in his UGL gear?

[Brosef]

I don't know but I am off Test-E for one week now and feel GREAT. I haven't lost any weight or anything. Should I try and get some pharma grade test to continue my cycle or should I start PCT and then Start a 12 week cycle after that?

[numbere]

I don't know but I am off Test-E for one week now and feel GREAT. I haven't lost any weight or anything. Should I try and get some pharma grade test to continue my cycle or should I start PCT and then Start a 12 week cycle after that?

Give it a few days and see if the pain subsides. In my experience, shots from painful gear take about 5 days to start feeling better. Start a light PCT 2 weeks after your last shot (20mg of Nolva for 6 weeks).

As a general rule of thumb, the length of time before beginning your next cycle should be equal to the the spent an cycle plus the time spent on PCT. Have a complete hormone panel 6-8 weeks after PCT in order to know if your HPTA has been successfully reset.

[Brosef]

Hey Bros, I got my Nolva in today and I was wondering if I should begin taking a light PCT. 20mg of Nolva for 6 weeks? Its been about 2 weeks since my last pin. I have lost about 7 pounds unfortunately, however I feel GREAT.

[Chicagotarsier]

Something like this except

External test is seen as a foreign body. The human body reacts accordingly....jacking WBC and temp and you get the aches. Happens to some with each new substance you try. Anavar was the worst for me with the flu symptms.

Everyone is different.

Call it Test Flu and push through.

Simple answer. Your gear probably has a blend of EO, that known to cause flu like symptoms after pinning.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Something like this except External test is seen as a foreign body. The human body reacts accordingly....jacking WBC and temp and you get the aches. Happens to some with each new substance you try. Anavar was the worst for me with the flu symptms. Everyone is different. Call it Test Flu and push through.

Kinda right, kinda wrong...

If external test was seen as a foreign body then Anavar not being test wouldn't give you flu symptoms.
If external test was seen as a foreign body then all of the TRT would be suffering from flu like symptoms.

It is something in the AAS that is causing it...
Maybe the oil, or filler, or the oral causing liver toxicity, or dirty gear, etc...

[Brosef]

So begin PCT or nah?

[Mr.BB]

Hey Bros, I got my Nolva in today and I was wondering if I should begin taking a light PCT. 20mg of Nolva for 6 weeks? Its been about 2 weeks since my last pin. I have lost about 7 pounds unfortunately, however I feel GREAT.

Why such a light PCT? Dont you want the best chance to recover?

[Brosef]

Yeah but I don't know what it'll do to my natural test levels because I was on a really light cycle for a short period of time

[Mr.BB]

Yeah but I don't know what it'll do to my natural test levels because I was on a really light cycle for a short period of time

Well, at the moment you have no natural test levels, its zero, nada.

Short time gives you better chance, but either 250mg or 1000mg shuts you down the same.

Clomid and nolva taken together work in synergy to promote the return of the natural test level.

[Brosef]

Well, at the moment you have no natural test levels, its zero, nada.

Short time gives you better chance, but either 250mg or 1000mg shuts you down the same.

Clomid and nolva taken together work in synergy to promote the return of the natural test level.

So should I order some Clomid Stat? I have the Nolva, should I begin to take that until the Clomid comes in? I thought they were pretty much the same thing but Clomid works better for gyno which I don't have