4th cycle feedback

[Hmc444]

Cycle plan
Stats
Age 28
Weight 210
Bf 15%
Height 6"2

My goal is to add size but i wouldn't mind seeing some veins pop out of my arms/ create more of a vascular look everywhere.

This will be my 4th cycle:

"I plan to run:
Week 1-10 250mg Deca total per week split 3.5 days
Week 1-12 Test E 250 mg per week split every 3.5 days
This would total 500mg per week between the two
hCG 250 iu every 3.5 days totaling 500 iu per week
Starting pct 2 weeks after last pin
Clomd 100/75/50/50 & Nolva 40/40/20/20

My questions have to do with the deca dosage as well as Ai's to run. For the ai's i know to run adex .25 EOD but i don't have any experience with a 19nor. i know that progesterone levels will increase, so prami or caber should be run as well. Should prami/caber be run together with adex, or should i just be running the prami/caber? i'm not 100% sure what the dosage should be to control the progesterone levels or what the standard dosage is for prami or caber.

My other questions is, is a 50/50 dosage of test/deca okay to run? or should test be higher than deca? Once again i'm looking to add size, however, i do want to create more of a vascular look to my body as well. i was thinking or running EQ instead of deca,however, the mass does take priority over the vascular look at this point. if anyone has any info/feedback on how this cycle looks and to point me in the right direction to learn more about the ai's for a 19nor that would be awesome."

thanks everyone

[Hmc444]

sorry, when i said progesterone i meant prolactin. Wit h more research i saw that caber would be .5 2x per week and prami would be .25 ed leading up to possibly .5 ED. does anyone have any advice on the deca/test split that i have? or any advice at all if this cycle seems to be a solid øne?

thanks!

[NACH3]

Are planning to get BW done?

Why shut yourself down for 250mgs of each? If it were me I'd run test at 500mgs/wk(2 shots) deca 3-400mgs/wk(or stay at 250 to see how your body reacts to deca but you know how it reacts to test...

Yes start your dex at .25mg eod - prami/or caber(they both are prolactin agonists & help lower prolactin - which 19nors can elevate prolactin if E2 is elevated) - prami/caber are Dopamine Agonists... If you can source out caber I'd go w/that(.25/.5 2x wk) prami can cause nausea do take at bed time - but titrate your dose so your not getting sick(.125 -4 days - .25 4 days and so on to .5 ed) but you can also wait for mid cycle BW to see if your AI & DA need adjusting!

[Hmc444]

Hey Nach,

Yes, i'm going to do blood work in the 7-8th week. Just got blood work done a couple days ago w my endo.

Thanks for the advice. Since i've never used a 19nor i wasn't sure if i should dumb down the test and then cover the rest with deca or just add deca on top. This definitely answers my question.

much appreciated!

[TheTaxMan]

+1 on the doseage increase, 500mg test 400mg deca is always a nice dose from what ive read and tried myself

[bethdoth]

I know you said you want to get bigger so I would focus on that. If getting vascular is a goal, that can easily be achieved with diet, cardio and a daily low dose of cialis after you get the size you want and start to cut.

[Frontpump]

I agree, up the dose. If you're shut down, may as well reap maximum benefits for the same effective amount of suppression.

A word on caber- I loved it, so did my girlfriend. I really wasn't expecting that sort of result with the delayed orgasms..but it's real. The warning though, don't use it if you have gastric ulcers. This is barely mentioned anywhere, and it's a major concern. My somewhat under control ulcer became violently painful in 2 weeks. Doubling over in mid-stride, pain shooting down my arms. I was lucky I ended my cycle early as I didn't know at the time it was caber causing the irritation. I later did more reading and found the warning at the very bottom of some obscure safety information.

This limits my use of 19-nors as you can imagine.

Maybe not an issue for you, just spreading the word.

[NACH3]

Hey Nach,

Yes, i'm going to do blood work in the 7-8th week. Just got blood work done a couple days ago w my endo.

Thanks for the advice. Since i've never used a 19nor i wasn't sure if i should dumb down the test and then cover the rest with deca or just add deca on top. This definitely answers my question.

much appreciated!

I'd say your gtg - got your pre cycle BW - and just in my experience(and I'm bulking) I have always ran my test higher than other compounds(test is what our bodies need) so just from my experience I like going w/higher test to X ratio... So say 500 test 400 deca as mentioned would benefit you moreso if bulking(just do it cleanly) not dirty - and drink a ton of water to keep water retention at bay(b6 is good too)