48 Yr Old Wanting to Cycle

[bigwill1767]

Good day all,
Friend of mine from gym mentioned that my lack of gains may be due to low T but the VA (USMC VET) said my T was fine. It was 259 a year ago. I was 274 lbs. High BP, triglycerides and cholesterol, Dr had me on several mels and wanted to add more. F that and all the pills so I started working out. Went to civilian Dr 2 weeks ago and my T was 359 and he said I don't need testosterone therapy. I asked another friend if he has source for gear and he does and said he will would help me with sustanol 250. He said I should start with 250 for 2 weeks then 500 for 3 weeks then bump to 750. I am concerned about gyno but he said nothing to worry about at that low of a dose. I don't know my body fat but afraid it's too high from what I read on this forum.I'm 6'2" large frame and 245 lbs.i have been working out consistently for past year, down 29 lbs. last month added fasting cardio in 3 mornings per week. Recumbent bike 20-30 minutes. Weight training 4-5 evenings per week. Approx 1 hour per session. Typical Diet consists of
Breakfast
Plain oatmeal or yogurt
Snack egg white muffins or protein bar
Lunch chicken breast/brown rice
Pre workout- 2 servings NO Xplode
Post workout 50 gram protein shake
Dinner- same as lunch
Approx 1100mg Caffeine per day because tired all the time

If I do cycle of sustanol will this help me add muscle and lose fat?

[SlimmerMe]

Welcome!

Thanks for serving!!!

SM

[tarmyg]

Hi,

By the looks of those pictures, you will want to drop some more body fat before proceeding to get the most out a cycle and minimize the number of possible side effects. Kindly read this before proceeding, it is, by far, the easiest how-to that's based on many years of combined trial-and-error. I would trust that much more than suggestions from a friend regardless of how well intentioned they are.

REF: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[Back In Black]

What are the macros of you diet?

As said above you want to drop fat before you consider cycling. That's ALOT of caffeine you should drop it down by half at least IMHO and take 200mg of it about 20-30 mins before your cardio.

What has your doc said about your bloodwork numbers? Can you post the results?

[Java Man]

Yes thank you for your service to this country.

359 is very low. If this is a GP, they won't put you on TRT unless you have free test levels that are outside the arrows that show the normal ranges. 359 isn't outside that but is on the very low end of normal. If you are trying to speed up your metabolic rate by putting on lean mass and getting rid of bodyfat, 359 is not going to work in your favor. Most docs unless they specialize in TRT or they happen to have done much research on AAS (good luck finding one), don't know much about them other than the basic function they have in the body. 359 may not be killing you or making you turn into a woman but it certainly is too low for any man who wants to remain virile and healthy into their later years.

I'm almost 46 so I am about your age.

I don't think you should actually do cycling dosages until you get your BF% down (I would estimate it at 30-35% based on those pics) but I do think you should put yourself on maybe 100mg/wk or test E or Sust if that's what you can get. i personally like sust because of the 4 esters it has and their varying length. The Decanoate ester lasts a very long time which means you only have to administer it once a week and stay relatively stable. For People that don't mind doing multiple injections weekly and if you have access to E or Cyp, one half the weekly dose twice a week is also good. That should put you in the upper part of normal (for a 25 year old) which is where I personally want to be for the rest of my life based on all of the reading I have done on this subject. I run cycles and have on and off for 20+ years but at some point I will stop doing that and just cruise at around 1000 total test until i die at 120. Free test vs. total test are very different numbers and the important one is free. I am making an assumption here but I presume 359 is not your free unbound test but is total test. If it was your free test number which is what is unbound and freely available to do its magic, you would look like the hulk.

I would also put a lot of thought into this and do your own research if you haven't already. What I said in the above paragraph assumes a lot and is not an actual recommendation, just my thoughts on it based on the information given. I think you should see an endo who knows the benefits of AAS for aging men and find out why your test is 359. It may not qualify you for TRT in one doctor's opinion but in another's it might.

I don't actually know what the average male at 48 should have for test levels but I don't care either because I don't think we should lose testosterone as we age. A lot of recent anti aging research touts the benefits of keeping your test levels in the range they were in our 20's which is roughly 700-900. It;s not harmful at all in that range because that's high normal AKA natural levels. Supraphysiological dosages are where you need to start doing a lot of research into the side effects that can cause and how to counter them if you should choose to go that route.

[bigwill1767]

I will make appt with endo to check my levels and ask for copy of my lab results. Maybe the endo will put me on low dose of T to make me feel better and higher T level to gain some muscle

[bigwill1767]

[QUOTE=tarmyg;7157384]Hi,

By the looks of those pictures, you will want to drop some more body fat before proceeding to get the most out a cycle and minimize the number of possible side effects. Kindly read this before proceeding, it is, by far, the easiest how-to that's based on many years of combined trial-and-error. I would trust that much more than suggestions from a friend regardless of how well intentioned they are


Thanks. I have read the reference several times and agree I should lose more fat before I cycle. Thing is I am not gaining any muscle mass with my T this low. I think if my T was higher then I would lose fat much quicker

[bigwill1767]

What are the macros of you diet?

As said above you want to drop fat before you consider cycling. That's ALOT of caffeine you should drop it down by half at least IMHO and take 200mg of it about 20-30 mins before your cardio.

What has your doc said about your bloodwork numbers? Can you post the results?

That was urologist that I saw this last time. Useless to go back to VA. Urologist was favorable to help on 1st visit but when I went back for 2nd visit was total opposite. Said my T was 359 which was well within normal range. Even had girl with laptop in there this time to record the conversation. I will make appt with endo to get new lab results and she if they will help. Just want my T high enough to put on muscle and assist with fat loss. Feel like I have hit wall with fat loss. Added cardio to weight training to try to bump my metabolism. My diet during week is strict and cheat on Sunday but nothing overboard. I track my macros and below is typical daily feed

[Back In Black]

Your cals and fat intakes are really quite low.i know you want to lose weight but I'd up your fats to 45g minimum, maybe even up as far as 60g. It will help with satiety and also testosterone production.

If you continue to eat low you'll end up dropping more and more cals potentially causing some metabolic damage which can take some time putting right.

[Java Man]

Your cals and fat intakes are really quite low.i know you want to lose weight but I'd up your fats to 45g minimum, maybe even up as far as 60g. It will help with satiety and also testosterone production.

If you continue to eat low you'll end up dropping more and more cals potentially causing some metabolic damage which can take some time putting right.

also just to add a bit more to what BIB said, where those say 'Calories Burned: 0" that is absolutely not true. The average person takes more than 7-8000 steps in a typical day (Source: Microsoft Band. It keeps track of things like this). Every time you move a muscle or think about something, even while sleeping, calories are being burned. At your current bodyweight you should be losing weight quickly on that amount of calories. I eat just a tad bit less than that just at breakfast. As you gain more lean tissue your body will start to speed up the metabolism and the fat will burn faster but that is going to be hard or impossible with your test at 359.

[bigwill1767]

also just to add a bit more to what BIB said, where those say 'Calories Burned: 0" that is absolutely not true. The average person takes more than 7-8000 steps in a typical day (Source: Microsoft Band. It keeps track of things like this). Every time you move a muscle or think about something, even while sleeping, calories are being burned. At your current bodyweight you should be losing weight quickly on that amount of calories. I eat just a tad bit less than that just at breakfast. As you gain more lean tissue your body will start to speed up the metabolism and the fat will burn faster but that is going to be hard or impossible with your test at 359.

Java Man you are correct. I track my workouts on a different app. I thought with my workouts and low calories that the weight would come off quickly. Maybe the lack of calories is why I am always tired and take so much caffeine to keep going. Below is my typical chest and triceps workout

[bigwill1767]

Spoke to my endo Drs nurse and gave some symptoms and explanation of what I wanted to do. Nurse said no way the Dr would give me T while my level is 359. Not getting any help that way I guess so keep on keeping on. Meal prep complete for tomorrow- oatmeal, Apple and orange, lean ground turkey browned in coconut oil with mushrooms and jalapeño and green beans. Fasting cardio tomorrow morning and chest and triceps tomorrow evening