Advice on my 2nd cycle.

[Jamie30]

Hi, I bought this cycle recently and won't be taking it for another month but was I wondering if anyone could tell me if it's a decent one, improve it, too much etc. Cheers

Test E 250 mg, 15 ml
Deca 200 mg, 10 ml
Proviron 25mg
Novaldex 10 mg
Clomid 50 mg

I'am 30 years old.

[Back In Black]

That's a list of substances rather than an actual cycle. It's missing an ai and hcg. What is your exact plan?

What was your first cycle and what were the results?

What is your height, weight and body fat %?

[Jamie30]

Yeah sorry, I ment to put the exact cycle information.

Test E 250 mg weeks 1 & 8
Test E 500 mg, 2-7 weeks
Deca 200 mg, 1-8 weeks
Proviron 25 mg on weeks 3,5,7
Novaldex 10 mg on weeks 4,6,8
Clomid 50 mg weeks 11 & 12.

I'am 5,9 and 75kg. My fat % is around 12%.

My very 1st course I took when was very skinny and light. I had been going to the gym for 2 years consistently for 3-6 days. I put on 3 stone in 6 weeks during the course and kept around 2st after it was over.

I could not put any weight on to save myself untill I got my 1st course. I would drink 10 raw eggs a day, 2-4 litres of milk, huge calorie shakes, meals etc. Never put on any weight or significant mass.

I'm back at the gym and my size has been coming back very fast and I feel and look so much better again. I ain't looking to get huge but is this a good solid cycle that'll give me good muscle & weight gains? Anything else worth adding in to help me keep the gains?

[Jamie30]

I was going to get a HCG to help. Will it make it big difference? How much would I need for my course above?

People I know don't use them but I want to do it properly so I came here for help. Why aren't AI and HCG included when you buy steriods under the 'cycle' category? At least from the site I buy them. What's the point in selling a 'cycle' and leaving things out?

[AR's King Silabolin]

People I know don't use them but I want to do it properly so I came here for help. Why aren't AI and HCG included when you buy steriods under the 'cycle' category? At least from the site I buy them. What's the point in selling a 'cycle' and leaving things out?

Because they are not needed in every cycle. You dont need AI when you run aas that dont convert to estrogen.

I think your cycle looks good. But deca doesnt kick in before 4-5 weeks, so maybe you should extend your cycle to 10 weeks. Most would say 12, but i think 10 is ok, cause in those last weeks gains have stopped weeks ago.

But, you should have an ai when your are running 500 mg test a week.

HCG is not the most important thing. Many say its just cosmetics. I never used it and a good clomid fire my boys up with no problemes.
When you are running deca it migth increase prolactin and if you are high in estrogen aswell it will not be good. But, if you run an ai you migth get away with no DA (stops prolactin) cause 250 mg deca isnt much. Some will say its too little, but believe me, its plenty for your second cycle.

[chab]

Yeah sorry, I ment to put the exact cycle information.

Test E 250 mg weeks 1 & 8
Test E 500 mg, 2-7 weeks
Deca 200 mg, 1-8 weeks
Proviron 25 mg on weeks 3,5,7
Novaldex 10 mg on weeks 4,6,8
Clomid 50 mg weeks 11 & 12.

I'am 5,9 and 75kg. My fat % is around 12%.

My very 1st course I took when was very skinny and light. I had been going to the gym for 2 years consistently for 3-6 days. I put on 3 stone in 6 weeks during the course and kept around 2st after it was over.

I could not put any weight on to save myself untill I got my 1st course. I would drink 10 raw eggs a day, 2-4 litres of milk, huge calorie shakes, meals etc. Never put on any weight or significant mass.

I'm back at the gym and my size has been coming back very fast and I feel and look so much better again. I ain't looking to get huge but is this a good solid cycle that'll give me good muscle & weight gains? Anything else worth adding in to help me keep the gains?

your cycle has so many flaws in it:
1) No AI
2) Why are u using Nolva in week 4,6, and 8 ??
3) only 2 weeks clomid ?
4) No HCG
5) why are u only injecting 250 mg of test at week 1 ? Test e is already so slow to kick in
6) why are u using proviron ?

[Jamie30]

Thanks for the replies. I'll get some AI. I can get 30 tabs of 25mg. I bought a cycle thinking it would have everything I needed and it all had it laid out for me on how and when to take but it seems wrong now that i'am on here :/ it wasn't off some guy from the gym or anything.

[Jamie30]

I have 30 50mg clomid tabs so it'll be more than 2 weeks.

When I done my 1st course 5 years ago I done 1 ml or of test and deca at 250 mg and 200 mg. I was told to start off like that. By the 2nd week it kicked in and my strength was through the roof, my body was growing alot. 6 weeks into it I was 3 stone heavier and in great shape with no acne, sex drive was the same, no problems with my nipples. Nothing atall. Never had any PCT either won't do that again though lol. I trusted the guys who I got the stuff from.

[numbere]

Have you had any bw since your last cycle?

If not that would be a good place to start.

1,500mg of clomid is not enough for PCT.

I think you are rushing this cycle and need to do more research before starting.

[Jamie30]

I've had bloodwork twice at least since my last cycle. When I had a viral infection and they couldn't find the cause. Everything normal I was told. IVF treatment and BW was done and everything was normal again.

How much clomid would be enough for this cycle?

I won't be starting the cycle before I have everything I need. It's sat in my cupboard now for over a month. My size is coming back very quick, I cut alot of crap out of my diet. I won't be as strict as most of you guys on here but I've gave up alot of things completely no problem.

I came here for some advice. There's alot of information out there and even more opinions.

[numbere]

I've had bloodwork twice at least since my last cycle. When I had a viral infection and they couldn't find the cause. Everything normal I was told. IVF treatment and BW was done and everything was normal again.

How much clomid would be enough for this cycle?

I won't be starting the cycle before I have everything I need. It's sat in my cupboard now for over a month. My size is coming back very quick, I cut alot of crap out of my diet. I won't be as strict as most of you guys on here but I've gave up alot of things completely no problem.

I came here for some advice. There's alot of information out there and even more opinions.

Okay, but they normally wouldn't test your hormones for a viral infection.

You should take 20 minutes and read some recent threads in that PCT forum from guys who have run similar cycles.

[Jamie30]

The viral infection was 14 blood tests. Liver etc all normal. IVF treatment blood tests came back with testosterone etc all normal.

Yeah ill keep looking. I'll buy some aromasin and probably HCG. How much HCG would I need for this cycle? I can get 5000 IU in a 1ml amp with 1ml water solution. How many do I need of these? Is it one for every 3-5 days? Or a % of the amp each time? Thanks.

[numbere]

Normally for post cycle bw you want to know TT, FT, sensitive e2, blood counts, lipids if possible (especially if you have any issues), LH, FSH, and PRL if you've been using a 19 nor.

You need 500IU of hcg every week from day one until 2-3 days before PCT.

[Jamie30]

Cheers mate. I'll order the rest next week.

[charger69]

The viral infection was 14 blood tests. Liver etc all normal. IVF treatment blood tests came back with testosterone etc all normal. Yeah ill keep looking. I'll buy some aromasin and probably HCG. How much HCG would I need for this cycle? I can get 5000 IU in a 1ml amp with 1ml water solution. How many do I need of these? Is it one for every 3-5 days? Or a % of the amp each time? Thanks.

You want to get bac water. Do not use the saline solution provided. The saline solution is for a one time injection and is nor meant for storage. Once you mix HCG, put it in the fridge.

[Jamie30]

Ok mate. Cheers. I'll look more into over the next couple of weeks.