My blood test - recovery during PCT after being on for about 7 years straight.

[dece870717]

Went on and off cycles since November 6, 2006 (very first cycle) a month before my 20th birthday, and a few years later I started cruising and blasting and now that I'm married and want a child I've decided I need to come off, wasn't sure how well I would recover but so far so good(this gave me some hope Animal study: continuous steroid use keeps testes young ) but the real test will be a few weeks after PCT is finished. I've felt pretty good the whole way through PCT and using some creatine a few weeks before I came off seems to help. Was blasting and cruising for past 7 years.

Doing the New Power PCT, some I'm sure are familiar with. This blood test is 2 weeks into PCT.

HCG 2,000iu EOD for first 20 days
Nolva 20mg ED for 45 days
Clomid 50mg twice a day for 30 days

[AR's King Silabolin]

blasting and crusing for 10 years and 600++ on test two weeks into pct is just awesome. Or did you end your journey with 2g enanthate and started pct rigth away:-)?

[kelkel]

Well, the BW is showing your system is responding to stimulation but the question is will it hold. Get BW about two months after pct to get a more realistic picture of what's going on. Be sure to include LH & FSH. Best of luck with this.

[Bodacious]

Please post back and let us know how this goes. Thanks.

[dece870717]

Well, the BW is showing your system is responding to stimulation but the question is will it hold. Get BW about two months after pct to get a more realistic picture of what's going on. Be sure to include LH & FSH. Best of luck with this.

Ya whether it will hold is what I was thinking to myself when I first looked at the results. I will most definitely be testing LH and FSH and will post the test results in a few months then.

[dece870717]

Please post back and let us know how this goes. Thanks.

Will do, I somewhat decided to post this because I'm sure it can benefit the steroid community in terms of what the body can recover from or what happens if you do do this if results turn out bad.

[parkra]

OP I really hope you post back with us after post pct bloods. It's very rare to get a case like this it will really help knowledge the community.

GL

[dece870717]

Taken at end of pct, not good, either bunk liquid nolva and clomid(at first using pharm tablet clomid) or testes need more of a boost. I seemed good until I stopped the hcg. Going to buy some more and use it lightly and buy up some more pharm clomid and nolva. Seems as though my testes did respond to what I was using but something is wrong.

[RedBeardedViking]

Wow your levels are really low, how are you feeling?

[Bio-Active]

Taken at end of pct, not good, either bunk liquid nolva and clomid(at first using pharm tablet clomid) or testes need more of a boost. I seemed good until I stopped the hcg. Going to buy some more and use it lightly and buy up some more pharm clomid and nolva. Seems as though my testes did respond to what I was using but something is wrong.

You have been running the power pct the whole time with hcg right? Hcg is going to suppress lh function

[dece870717]

Wow your levels are really low, how are you feeling?

Amazingly I feel alright, strength is still decent but repping ability is down, don't have that stamina, sex drive is nonexistent for the most part, muscles are noticeably flat, and fat gain comes on so easy!

What's funny is I would somewhat gauge my test levels by how fast my beard would grow, on TRT doses I'm having to shave every 3rd day, when Test was at 600ish I did it every 4-5th, now it's once every 7-8 days.

[TheTaxMan]

So far how do you feel in terms of regret

I noticed you mention muscles feel flat, fat gain etc

Do you regret this blasting and cruising, would you have prefered to cycle "normaly"

Im interested in how your thinking in terms of that if you dont mind answering

Thanks

[louiscypher]

Just read this thread, hope you have some more updates soon. Very interesting.

[dece870717]

So far how do you feel in terms of regret

I noticed you mention muscles feel flat, fat gain etc

Do you regret this blasting and cruising, would you have prefered to cycle "normaly"

Im interested in how your thinking in terms of that if you dont mind answering

Thanks

Sorry for not updating, been waiting to see if recovery happens. I just took another blood test, last blood test was taken 12/8 and my total test was 179, new test was taken 1/8 and my testosterone is 134! Not good, looks like TRT for life is what has come of all this. I do have regrets, I mainly did this since my wife wants a baby and unless a literal miracle happens, it isn't happening. I told her and wow has God given me an awesome wife, she is very understanding.

I do regret not sticking to normal cycles and would advise young guys to stay away from cruising! Older guys with kids already is a different story.

The thing that confuses me is that the hcg does work and does indeed boost my testosterone to a decent level. So I'm assuming from that, that my testes are fine and they have become full size now, but it looks as though the HPTA/brain is simply not sending the LH & FSH signals. I don't think I really have any choice, I've been taking nolva and clomid this whole time since the previous blood test and it has gone down, hcg would work but that's impractical and expensive and using it consistently might just back fire.

Just read this thread, hope you have some more updates soon. Very interesting.

[kelkel]

Sure HCG will work and is used for TRT by some doc's, although the long term benefits don't seem to be there. Like Bio referenced, Serms and HCG don't bode well together.

Was your pct done exactly by Scally's protocol?
What level did the hcg get your Test up to and when was this BW pulled relative to pct?

[dece870717]

Sure HCG will work and is used for TRT by some doc's, although the long term benefits don't seem to be there. Like Bio referenced, Serms and HCG don't bode well together.

Was your pct done exactly by Scally's protocol?
What level did the hcg get your Test up to and when was this BW pulled relative to pct?

I'm pretty sure I did it right.

HCG got me up in the 600-700's, I've been taking nolva/clomid nonstop since my first post, that is why I don't see recovery happening, It's been almost 2 months.

[kelkel]

Well this makes me curious as to the legitimacy of your serms, as you referenced previously. Do you have access to pharma?

[dece870717]

Well this makes me curious as to the legitimacy of your serms, as you referenced previously. Do you have access to pharma?

I took liquid nolva and pharm grade clomid during first couple weeks of PCT and then started using the liquid clomid as I ran out of pharma. I just bought and been now taking pharm nolva and clomid for a week now. Should I give it another week, get bloods and see if my test levels go up at all?

[kelkel]

I'd give it a month total and pull some at this point. Update this thread when you do please.

[dece870717]

I'd give it a month total and pull some at this point. Update this thread when you do please.

After further research I think I'm just going to go the HCG+TRT route and add in FSH (Gonal-F, Repronex, Follistim, Menopur). This study has given me some hope in still becoming fertile Concomitant intramuscular human chorionic gonadotropin preserves spermatogenesis in men undergoing testosterone replacement therapy. - PubMed - NCBI , I understand that it says "preserves" fertility from HCG use during TRT, but if I can get on some FSH and get spermatogenesis going good and then continue on HCG+TRT I should be able to become fertile and stay there.

I have 5 vials of HCG 2000 IU sitting in my drawer and just took one vial to get my testosterone back up to something reasonable because I absolutely hate the way I look after these 2+ months of being off. This is the worst shape I've ever been in ever since being a chunky kid from 3rd grade to freshman year of high school. Fat gain is ridiculously easy, like I've never experienced before and combined with the flattest muscles I've had, it looks terrible and I'm not a very vain man but there is a point where you just look at yourself and say, this needs to stop!

If you don't mind me asking since you are a HRT specialist, what are HCG doses and frequency when using HCG on TRT? Also is there any way to get a script for all this stuff without actually going to an anti-aging clinic, what would you recommend in that area?

[Payton34ferrari]

Sir, I tried to contact you privately but not sure if that possible. I added you as a contact & it sent a "friend" request. I am trying to contact you & see if you're willing to talk to me offline. I am going through something similar, but need advice badly. Thanks

[kelkel]

After further research I think I'm just going to go the HCG+TRT route and add in FSH (Gonal-F, Repronex, Follistim, Menopur). This study has given me some hope in still becoming fertile Concomitant intramuscular human chorionic gonadotropin preserves spermatogenesis in men undergoing testosterone replacement therapy. - PubMed - NCBI , I understand that it says "preserves" fertility from HCG use during TRT, but if I can get on some FSH and get spermatogenesis going good and then continue on HCG+TRT I should be able to become fertile and stay there.

I have 5 vials of HCG 2000 IU sitting in my drawer and just took one vial to get my testosterone back up to something reasonable because I absolutely hate the way I look after these 2+ months of being off. This is the worst shape I've ever been in ever since being a chunky kid from 3rd grade to freshman year of high school. Fat gain is ridiculously easy, like I've never experienced before and combined with the flattest muscles I've had, it looks terrible and I'm not a very vain man but there is a point where you just look at yourself and say, this needs to stop!

If you don't mind me asking since you are a HRT specialist, what are HCG doses and frequency when using HCG on TRT? Also is there any way to get a script for all this stuff without actually going to an anti-aging clinic, what would you recommend in that area?

Look into HMG instead of FSH. When it comes to HCG dosage the norm would be 250 IU's two or three times per week. No back-door ways to get a script but over-seas pharmacies can be effective. Many guys here use them for HCG. Quite inexpensive as well.

[fitguy]

Look into HMG instead of FSH. When it comes to HCG dosage the norm would be 250 IU's two or three times per week. No back-door ways to get a script but over-seas pharmacies can be effective. Many guys here use them for HCG. Quite inexpensive as well.

Thats what i was going to tell you too look up some hmg it work verywell along with the hcg plus do a blood test to see whats your estrogen levels at cause if they are high because of your hcg use your test is going to show low as it did,worst case scenario if you didnt recover is to be on trt and run hcg just be patient and you will be having your kid soon enough 👍🏻👍🏻

[dece870717]

Update: Since my last post in January 2016 in this thread, I ended up going back on TRT in January, without taking HCG or anything else, and yet I got my wife pregnant, she's apparently 5 weeks along. As being a committed Christian man, I would essentially call it a miracle, because thinking about the odds makes me want to say that, if not, divine providence it is lol.

This is all just another reminder for guys out there that AAS and being on TRT is not birth control and should NEVER be trusted as such.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Congrats on your pregnancy.