Short vs long cycles

[marcus300]

What is your preference?

Do you start to respond half around the 5-6 weeks mark and grow until the cycle ends at around 12-14 weeks?

Or do you respond straight away and grow and gains slow and stop after 6-7 and any continuation is pointless?

Also, are you one of these guys who grows on cycle and loses it all after the cycle ends?

Do you prefer a good solid 12 week cycle or a shorter solid cycle around 6 weeks ish

[suasponte1983]

I prefer short cycles with short esters.
Did test E cycles twice. Started feeing it after 2 weeks. Gains stopped around 8-9 weeks. Last 3 weeks was waste just added more sides.
After pct lost about 1/3rd of gains.

Currently into 2 week PCT after test p tren a mast p cycle.
Had amazing results. so far lost 1-2 lbs but I look more cut then on cycle.

[marcus300]

I prefer short cycles with short esters.
Did test E cycles twice. Started feeing it after 2 weeks. Gains stopped around 8-9 weeks. Last 3 weeks was waste just added more sides.
After pct lost about 1/3rd of gains.

Currently into 2 week PCT after test p tren a mast p cycle.
Had amazing results. so far lost 1-2 lbs but I look more cut then on cycle.

How many cycles have you done?

[KINGKONG]

I've only done 12 week cycles but I've always noticed growth slowing down 6-8 week mark..after reasearching sbc iam starting to think running my cycle to a predetermined time makes no sense..I should plan on 12 and just run untill the gains slow even after variations in training or diet and sides become more pronounced..

[marcus300]

I've only done 12 week cycles but I've always noticed growth slowing down 6-8 week mark..after reasearching sbc iam starting to think running my cycle to a predetermined time makes no sense..I should plan on 12 and just run untill the gains slow even after variations in training or diet and sides become more pronounced..

How many cycles have you done?

[KINGKONG]

How many cycles have you done?

Maybe 20 or so..I dunno when I started using I had NO clue about anything we were working off a old anabolic bible and I was way too young..like 17 18 diet wasn't right and we just went hard in the gym..my first legit cycle were I planned and reasearched was in my mid 20's that was when I was in my best shape had access to anything pharm grade was training and dieting great..

[marcus300]

Maybe 20 or so..I dunno when I started using I had NO clue about anything we were working off a old anabolic bible and I was way too young..like 17 18 diet wasn't right and we just went hard in the gym..my first legit cycle were I planned and reasearched was in my mid 20's that was when I was in my best shape had access to anything pharm grade was training and dieting great..

What are your stats Kong?

[KINGKONG]

What are your stats Kong?

5 "10" 240 15 percent bodyfat

[numbere]

I like a cycle or blast short and sweet just like a great HIT session.

Get in get the job done then get out.

[InternalFire]

ah.. subbed, gotta follow this, interesting

[NACH3]

It seems to depend for me... Short esters I'm in and out and stop growing by wk 6-8.... Long esters like Nan D I'll run 10-12wks b/c it seems I respond later but finish stronger?! Something I kinda just realized - if I want to continue my blast I'll try upping a compound for a couple wks and if by the first wk I'm not responding - stop time!

[numbere]

You guys that run shorter cycles do you use more gear than you would when compared to a lot German cycle?

How many and what kind do of compounds do you like using?

[NACH3]

You guys that run shorter cycles do you use more gear than you would when compared to a lot German cycle?

How many and what kind do of compounds do you like using?

Test prop NPP or tren Ace winny and or a-drol pulsed is my personal preference - all short esters I'm done growing by wk 8 although I have backloaded orals( to get me past a sticking point)...

What compounds for you w/short esters, Numbere? I know mast is in your single digit repertoire

[numbere]

What compounds for you w/short esters, Numbere? I know mast is in your single digit repertoire

Prop, NPP and ace all at the same time is my personal favorite.

Been trying something new where I bulk for 2-3 weeks then cut for 2-3 weeks. With those 3 compounds I'm able to add muscle even during the cut.

Usually run prop the same at 350/week. In the bulk phase I'll run the NPP higher and on the cut phase I'll use a bit more ace.

[marcus300]

You guys that run shorter cycles do you use more gear than you would when compared to a lot German cycle?

How many and what kind do of compounds do you like using?

I would design a cycle suited to how I grow and what my goals are going to be. Dosages are depended on the individual but you don't have use more mg per week if you don't need to, that would depend how you respond to any kind of cycle if your an early responder you can keep with the usually. I personally would increase my dose because I would grow much better and the sides are less because its only being run for a short period of time so I would get the benefits of an increased dose with less sides and better recovery.

Compounds used are strictly what make me grow and are designed for the goals, if I am doing a bulker I would hit the bulking compounds and cutting I would go with less water retaining ones. I can give you some of my cycles previous if you want but they are purely designed for me my size and my goals but I don't mind if you want me to show a standard short cycle if need be

[numbere]

I would design a cycle suited to how I grow and what my goals are going to be. Dosages are depended on the individual but you don't have use more mg per week if you don't need to, that would depend how you respond to any kind of cycle if your an early responder you can keep with the usually. I personally would increase my dose because I would grow much better and the sides are less because its only being run for a short period of time so I would get the benefits of an increased dose with less sides and better recovery.

Compounds used are strictly what make me grow and are designed for the goals, if I am doing a bulker I would hit the bulking compounds and cutting I would go with less water retaining ones. I can give you some of my cycles previous if you want but they are purely designed for me my size and my goals but I don't mind if you want me to show a standard short cycle if need be

We're definitely on the same page and i agree with most of this but I don't see much of a difference new tissue wise with higher doses.

It likely has something to do with the fact that you have like 30kg of more muscle than I do lol.

Will be interesting to see if higher doses work better as I become more developed.

Would be nice to look at some of your previous cycles.

Or should I say blasts?

You've only had one cycle right lol?

[marcus300]

We're definitely on the same page and i agree with most of this but I don't see much of a difference new tissue wise with higher doses.

It likely has something to do with the fact that you have like 30kg of more muscle than I do lol.

Will be interesting to see if higher doses work better as I become more developed.

Would be nice to look at some of your previous cycles.

Or should I say blasts?

You've only had one cycle right lol?

To a level more is better 400mgs is going to be better than 200mgs, 600mgs is going to be better than 400mgs but there is a certain level were more isn't better and this is all individual. Sides come on quick for some and some cant handle the side effects were others sides don't appear until a certain level is breached. But I must say something really magically happens to the body at a certain dose and you'll never experience growth like it. Ive seen it many times but ive also seen the opposite were dose does nothing for the person. It all about learning about your body.

I never got any kind of gains or felt anything with primo until I reached 1500mgs then I felt it, I know guys who love it at 600mgs and think its remarkable well 600mgs wouldn't do shit for me and would be a complete waste of time. The bigger I got and the more muscle I carried the more dosages was needed to make further gains but once I held a certain weight/size for so long say around 1-2 yrs it was a lot easier to lower the dose. Its all about resetting your homoeostasis system so to speak.

I'm going well off topic here but ive not been on AAS for 2.5 yrs in December and I wont need anything like I use to take, I would grow now of 500mgs-750mgs very easily infact I will explode I know I would. I went through many stages with AAS but how I trained and kept consistant over the years with every aspect of bodybuilding is what made me keep my size, when I was younger every 10lbs was a fucking nightmare to achieve until I started to listen to my body, designing the right cycles and training in a style what my body just loved.

Yes, your right ive only ever done one cycle in 31 yrs,

Ive done nearly all the combinations of cycles going but I would say I was a heavy user, I always went on the heavier side of things because I had to otherwise it was hard to get to where I wanted. Some guys don't need to and just look at 400mgs and roll a 25lb db and turn into monsters but I wasn't I had to work very hard at it.

I would create an environment for muscle tissue to grow via priming a slow glycogen depletion without losing any tissue, then I would hit a cycle running at a dose what would make my body think wtf, then I would increase my cals and all this would land just right coming out of a pullback into full bore HIT program and the result was huge increases in size and thickness. I was taught this method by Paul B one of DY's friends and advisers when he was going for the British title. Everything had to be lined up and I was one of those who responded well to gear but I was done after around 6-8 wks and all what happened after that no matter what I did like changing compounds or dosages was side effects would creep in, so short cycles were far better for me in everyway. I'm not saying they are for everyone because they not but for me and my body they were ideal.

[numbere]

To a level more is better 400mgs is going to be better than 200mgs, 600mgs is going to be better than 400mgs but there is a certain level were more isn't better and this is all individual. Sides come on quick for some and some cant handle the side effects were others sides don't appear until a certain level is breached. But I must say something really magically happens to the body at a certain dose and you'll never experience growth like it. Ive seen it many times but ive also seen the opposite were dose does nothing for the person. It all about learning about your body.

I never got any kind of gains or felt anything with primo until I reached 1500mgs then I felt it, I know guys who love it at 600mgs and think its remarkable well 600mgs wouldn't do shit for me and would be a complete waste of time. The bigger I got and the more muscle I carried the more dosages was needed to make further gains but once I held a certain weight/size for so long say around 1-2 yrs it was a lot easier to lower the dose. Its all about resetting your homoeostasis system so to speak.

I'm going well off topic here but ive not been on AAS for 2.5 yrs in December and I wont need anything like I use to take, I would grow now of 500mgs-750mgs very easily infact I will explode I know I would. I went through many stages with AAS but how I trained and kept consistant over the years with every aspect of bodybuilding is what made me keep my size, when I was younger every 10lbs was a fucking nightmare to achieve until I started to listen to my body, designing the right cycles and training in a style what my body just loved.

Yes, your right ive only ever done one cycle in 31 yrs,

Ive done nearly all the combinations of cycles going but I would say I was a heavy user, I always went on the heavier side of things because I had to otherwise it was hard to get to where I wanted. Some guys don't need to and just look at 400mgs and roll a 25lb db and turn into monsters but I wasn't I had to work very hard at it.

I would create an environment for muscle tissue to grow via priming a slow glycogen depletion without losing any tissue, then I would hit a cycle running at a dose what would make my body think wtf, then I would increase my cals and all this would land just right coming out of a pullback into full bore HIT program and the result was huge increases in size and thickness. I was taught this method by Paul B one of DY's friends and advisers when he was going for the British title. Everything had to be lined up and I was one of those who responded well to gear but I was done after around 6-8 wks and all what happened after that no matter what I did like changing compounds or dosages was side effects would creep in, so short cycles were far better for me in everyway. I'm not saying they are for everyone because they not but for me and my body they were ideal.

Nice, thank you for all the insight.

After a 6-8 week blast about how long would you cruise for and how would you know when to blast again?

This is a bit off topic but do you, or anyone else reading this, have any advice about using metformin besides the 500mg per 100g carbs rule of thumb?

[Sfla80]

What is your preference?

Do you start to respond half around the 5-6 weeks mark and grow until the cycle ends at around 12-14 weeks?

Or do you respond straight away and grow and gains slow and stop after 6-7 and any continuation is pointless?

Also, are you one of these guys who grows on cycle and loses it all after the cycle ends?

Do you prefer a good solid 12 week cycle or a shorter solid cycle around 6 weeks ish

Long (never tried short)

I respond quiet quickly usually. Around 3 weeks in. And start to fade away around 10ish.

I have been one of those guys. Life always throws a curve ball at you.

Would love to try a short 6 week cycle. But only short ester I have tried is tren ace. Plus not sure if I could handle the volume of oil needed in a short burst.

[marcus300]

Long (never tried short)

I respond quiet quickly usually. Around 3 weeks in. And start to fade away around 10ish.

I have been one of those guys. Life always throws a curve ball at you.

Would love to try a short 6 week cycle. But only short ester I have tried is tren ace. Plus not sure if I could handle the volume of oil needed in a short burst.

Sounds like you would benefit more to a shorter cycle

[AR's King Silabolin]

I grow from the first hour. But it stops at week 6-7 no matter what.
I prefer a long cycly infront of and through the summer to stay big all that time.
But a short blast infront of christmas in order to have a wonderful desember.
Looking into bridging with gh and igf1 and mk677 as sarmsbridging is stupid and i feel trtbridging and crusing de-edge the blasts.

[Cuz]

I had some stuff so good i couldnt stop hehe seriously i prefered longer cycles with a long ester test

[marcus300]

I had some stuff so good i couldnt stop hehe seriously i prefered longer cycles with a long ester test

What's your typical length of a cycle Cuz?

[Cuz]

What's your typical length of a cycle Cuz?

20- 24 weeks Marcus

[marcus300]

20- 24 weeks Marcus

Fair enough mate, you on trt aswell?

[Cuz]

Fair enough mate, you on trt aswell?

Not yet marcus at least not Dr. supervised. I need bloods done badly. Trt is in my near future

[numbere]

20- 24 weeks Marcus

What kind of PCT do you follow after that or do you cruise?

[Cuz]

What kind of PCT do you follow after that or do you cruise?

I no longer pct but when i did id do a more aggressive pct if i had 19 nor involved but test was really all i ever needed to grow to keep me happy. I felt like the longer cycles solidified my gains better with a sbc around the middle of the cycle

[TestoSuper]

What is your preference?

Do you start to respond half around the 5-6 weeks mark and grow until the cycle ends at around 12-14 weeks?

Or do you respond straight away and grow and gains slow and stop after 6-7 and any continuation is pointless?

Also, are you one of these guys who grows on cycle and loses it all after the cycle ends?

Do you prefer a good solid 12 week cycle or a shorter solid cycle around 6 weeks ish

It depends a lot on what type of steroid you take ... with dbol I begin to grow in the first days of the first week of the cycle ... with test E or deca (without dbol) I begin to grow seriously between 4 and 6 week until about 8/9 week .. .
never used short ester until now!

[Sfla80]

About 12 weeks was max. I didnt always follow time on equals time off

Cuz wanted to ask.

Can't remember if u said u were still on cruise dose or not.

But definitely if not. How r u feeling now that u been off for so ling. When was your last bloods done? How did they look?

[Cuz]

Cuz wanted to ask.

Can't remember if u said u were still on cruise dose or not.

But definitely if not. How r u feeling now that u been off for so ling. When was your last bloods done? How did they look?

Pm me brother

[NACH3]

Marcus... I used to run all short esters but now I realize I respond much better to long esters...

on long esters I'll front load a wk then return to my normal blast dose of T... I love high T as opposed to low T and high Nandrolone or Tren... I find myself w/long esters to start showing size

[marcus300]

Marcus... I used to run all short esters but now I realize I respond much better to long esters...

on long esters I'll front load a wk then return to my normal blast dose of T... I love high T as opposed to low T and high Nandrolone or Tren... I find myself w/long esters to start showing size

Yes that's right some prefer longer esters but respond better to shorter cycles, front loading is an option or run a high dose then swap last few weeks with a short ester so pct can start straight away. Many ways to run long esters in a short cycle but usually for someone who hasn't got a lot of cycles under their belt I recommend using shorter esters in a short cycle.

[Paul Mr Universe]

Personally prefer 12 weeks , if source good within one week you see noticeable differance

[mietek]

I did bunch short cycles but it does not seem to give me any serious gains. I prefer longer cycles.

[KINGKONG]

Marcus, my body quits responding the same after 6-8 weeks on the same compounds..what if you were to run test base throughout and switch the other compounds halfway through?like test dbol deca first half and test tren and winni second?you think it would work well or do you think just running one and then coming off then running the next would work better?anybody chime in if you have experience with this kind of cycle..

[marcus300]

Marcus, my body quits responding the same after 6-8 weeks on the same compounds..what if you were to run test base throughout and switch the other compounds halfway through?like test dbol deca first half and test tren and winni second?you think it would work well or do you think just running one and then coming off then running the next would work better?anybody chime in if you have experience with this kind of cycle..

Yeah ive swapped and changed compounds up after a certain amount of weeks and you do get some added gains but also for me I get more sides and trust me sides are something in the long run you want to keep at a minimum, so for me swapping gear half way through to try and get a bit more gains (because it wasnt life changing gains) but the sides would increase dramatically isn't something I would do. I got more size, less gains and a lot more mass and serious muscle from shorter cycles, also using priming and other little tricks,

[numbere]

... also using priming and other little tricks,

Priming is such an overlooked technique.

A good prime followed by a short blast will give shocking results.

Imo it's better to spend time designing a pre cycle prime then agonizing over what new compounds to try.

[marcus300]

Priming is such an overlooked technique.

A good prime followed by a short blast will give shocking results.

Imo it's better to spend time designing a pre cycle prime then agonizing over what new compounds to try.

Very true

[ilift2addyears2m]

I personally think that small doses are best allowing you be on longer is the way to go. I also say to keep it simple meaning Test plus one compound such as Test n Dbol, Test no Deca, etc. Tren really won't help unless your bodyfat is already low

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