Noob needs advice please

[KingRagnarLothbrok]

Hey guy i"m new here. I've been lifting for a year now, but i'd like to take some steroids to fasten the process, yes i know it's bad and unhealthy, but that's not the question here.

I'm 24y old, 185cm and weigh 93kg.

I've been trying to find some good cycles for cutting down while gaining a bit dry muscle mass. However every site suggests something else, so i came here as my last resort.

Here are some of suggestions i found:
Clenbuterol
day 1-3 50mcg/d
day 4-6 75mcg/d
day 7-10 100 mcg/d
day 11-14 125 mcg/d
day 15-28 nothing
day 29 repeat
Says no PCT needed with clen only

Second option:
Wk 1-6: Anavar 50 mg/day
Wk 1-6: Winstrol 40 mg/day
Wk 7-10: Nolvadex 20 mg/day

Is this a good first time cycle? What else would you suggest? I was leaning towards tren but i heard its too heavy stuff, especially for beginners. I can't find a solid guideline anywhere, since everyone suggest different stacks and portions. I am confused and would love some help from people.

Thanks in advance

[ScotchGuard02]

What's your body fat?

[Nephets]

if I were you and you were going to do a cycle one way or the other, I wouldn't do either of those as a first cycle. I would use diet and training to get rid of whatever body fat you're looking to get rid of. Then do a test base cycle from there to put on mass. Please read this.http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[DHew]

1. Do not do tren
2. Where is the testosterone base?
3. Oral only cycles arent advised. Esp. two orals at once.

[KingRagnarLothbrok]

I have 0 knowledge hence why i came here, i only read test base is must with tren.

And about the tren, i have read its really extreme, and the orals i also read it is not good because of the liver.

What other suggestions would you have? Or is there any solid site with guidelines i can follow?

[DHew]

Read all of the stickies, and the link that was given to you by Scotchguard

[The Deadlifting Dog]

^^^^^^ the link was posted by Nephets not Scotchguard

[KingRagnarLothbrok]

alright thanks

[Nephets]

Scotchguard trying to take all my credit . hahaha

[01dragonslayer]

Research....reasearch....research.

[DHew]

Nephets don't got no streetz Cree don't got no cred boi

[Nephets]

lol. well said.

[DHew]

it felt right

[Daniel256512]

I'm only 19 and have never done any cyce of AAS in my life, but I have done a 2 week cycle of clenbuterol.

Clenbuterol should be started at a life dose to see how your body reacts and then slowly pyramided up to a max of 100-150. Try starting at 20mcg, it may not sound like much but I know people who have got unbearable shakes off this, so starting on more would be stupid. See how you go.

The anavar only cycle is definitely not a good idea. In your position I would diet down to sub 12% bodyfat, the lower bodyfat you can get, the more room you'll have to bulk. Once you're sub 12%, if you still wanna cycle then a beginner cycle of testosterone enanthate (500mg a week) would be ideal.

[Jaydenn]

Read: My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

as posted above for the link. Don't burn your hormones out, read and learn.

[songdog]

When you ask for cycle advice it helps us if you post your stats this way we know wat we are dealing with.Ht wt age bf yrs training # of cycles ran.