diet guru's needed

[tice1212]

Overview: cutting down

Stats:
5'8
210lbs
10-11%

Current cycle
Test c 250mg e4d
Test p 100mg eod
Tren a 100mg eod

Adex 1mg eod
Cabar .5mg e4d
Nolva 20mg ed

10mg of cialis

Diet: mon-fri (sat-sun 1 cheat meal and 3 of these meals)
Meal 1
1 1/2 cup of egg white
3 Thomas English muffin

Meal 2
8oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice

Meal prework/during meal
2 scoop iso protein
1/2 cup old fashion oats
1 full banana
(All mixed into a shake)

Meal 3 (post workout meal )
8oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice

Meal 4
8oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice

Meal 5
2 cups Greek yogurt

Macros
P 350
C 280-300
F 25

Problem
I can't get a boner when I'm dieting. For example; Friday night me and my girl try and go out and grab a cheat meal but before hand I like to fvck but since I started cutting I can't get a boner. I have to go out and get a cheat meal (burger and fries or Chinese) and I come home and my dlck wants to work again. Can someone explain that to me?

[Couchlock]

Overview: cutting down

Stats:
5'8
210lbs
10-11%

Current cycle
Test c 250mg e4d
Test p 100mg eod
Tren a 100mg eod

Adex 1mg eod
Cabar .5mg e4d
Nolva 20mg ed

10mg of cialis

Diet: mon-fri (sat-sun 1 cheat meal and 3 of these meals)
Meal 1
1 1/2 cup of egg white
3 Thomas English muffin

Meal 2
8oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice

Meal prework/during meal
2 scoop iso protein
1/2 cup old fashion oats
1 full banana
(All mixed into a shake)

Meal 3 (post workout meal )
8oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice

Meal 4
8oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice

Meal 5
2 cups Greek yogurt

Macros
P 350
C 280-300
F 25

Problem
I can't get a boner when I'm dieting. For example; Friday night me and my girl try and go out and grab a cheat meal but before hand I like to fvck but since I started cutting I can't get a boner. I have to go out and get a cheat meal (burger and fries or Chinese) and I come home and my dlck wants to work again. Can someone explain that to me?

Fats

[Back In Black]

Fats

Way too low. Double them.

[KINGKONG]

Overview: cutting down

Stats:
5'8
210lbs
10-11%

Current cycle
Test c 250mg e4d
Test p 100mg eod
Tren a 100mg eod

Adex 1mg eod
Cabar .5mg e4d
Nolva 20mg ed

10mg of cialis

Diet: mon-fri (sat-sun 1 cheat meal and 3 of these meals)
Meal 1
1 1/2 cup of egg white
3 Thomas English muffin

Meal 2
8oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice

Meal prework/during meal
2 scoop iso protein
1/2 cup old fashion oats
1 full banana
(All mixed into a shake)

Meal 3 (post workout meal )
8oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice

Meal 4
8oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice

Meal 5
2 cups Greek yogurt

Macros
P 350
C 280-300
F 25

Problem
I can't get a boner when I'm dieting. For example; Friday night me and my girl try and go out and grab a cheat meal but before hand I like to fvck but since I started cutting I can't get a boner. I have to go out and get a cheat meal (burger and fries or Chinese) and I come home and my dlck wants to work again. Can someone explain that to me?

My sex sides are more estrogen related than anything ..without estrogen I don't have a strong libido ..1 mg dex is a lot man..unless your doing blood work and your just guessing first thing I would do is lower that dose to .5 eod for me .25 eod is enough even on 500-600 mg of test

[Narkissos]

Fats too low.
And, unless you're doing volume training (or a lot of cardio, or planning to cycle calories), I think you're about 300 calories higher than you should be.

At those stats, I'd probably start my baseline diet at:

280gr protein; 200-220gr carbs; 60gr fat

...just my humble opinion though.

[tice1212]

Wow so most of u think its because a lack of fats. I know fats have a lot to do with hormone but I honestly thought that being on gear that would counteract that.

Fats too low.
And, unless you're doing volume training (or a lot of cardio, or planning to cycle calories), I think you're about 300 calories higher than you should be.

At those stats, I'd probably start my baseline diet at:

280gr protein; 200-220gr carbs; 60gr fat

...just my humble opinion though.

Ur opinion on Marcos is very much welcomed.
So I should probably cut my rice portions to 1/2 a cup and add in 3 whole eggs with those meals?

What are ur guys thought on how to add fats and taking carbs out? Where to add them and where to take them out?

Thanks a lot boys

[oldnsedentary]

taking carbs out? Where to add them and where to take them out?

Take the carbs out from after, not before your workout. Keep carbs centered around your workout time. I was also thinking your carbs were high for cutting, but if you are making progress ignore that comment.

[kelkel]

I know nothing about dieting but I would tend to agree with King that your adex it a bit high, but obviously without BW it's just guesswork. If you lowered it a bit your bases are still covered with the nolva anyway re gyno issues. You can always ramp the adex back up closer to your show to help dry out (think you have one coming up if I recall correctly.)

[Mr.BB]

Can someone explain what fats have to do with boners?

Too much adex, cabar and maybe even nolva.

[Jonbana]

FATS WAY WAY WAY to low , fats should be a minimum of 0.4g per pound of body weight and this is essential fats as well

FAT does not MAKE you FAT



Without fats your hormones will be way out of wack nvm everything else

[Mr.BB]

Without fats your hormones will be way out of wack nvm everything else

Why?

[Couchlock]

Why?

Don't fats help transport hormones through you brain parts?

[tice1212]

Now I'm very intreseted in how fats pay a role in hormone when it on gear. I though it cancels the effects out.

[Mr.BB]

Don't fats help transport hormones through you brain parts?

No. Its the other way around, they block the passage when accumulate over time.

[tice1212]

Fats too low.
And, unless you're doing volume training (or a lot of cardio, or planning to cycle calories), I think you're about 300 calories higher than you should be.

At those stats, I'd probably start my baseline diet at:

280gr protein; 200-220gr carbs; 60gr fat

...just my humble opinion though.

How does this new diet look. Does my fat and carb placement look good? And timing?

8:00am
Meal 1
1 cup of egg white
1 Thomas English muffin
1 egg (boiled or fried)

11:00am
Meal 2
6oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice
1 egg (boiled or fried)

2:00pm
Meal 3
6oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice
1 egg (boiled or fried)

2:30pm
Meal prework/during meal
2 scoop iso protein
1 full banana
(All mixed into a shake)

5:00pm
Meal 4 (post workout meal )
6oz grilled chicken
1 cup white rice

8:00pm
Meal 5
2 cups Greek yogurt

Macros
P 304
C 211
F 40

[oldnsedentary]

Fats are still pretty low. Throw in some nuts. Add some real eggs (i.e., with yolks) to breakfast.

[Mr.BB]

Fats are still pretty low. Throw in some nuts. Add some real eggs (i.e., with yolks) to breakfast.

How can you manage LDL eating over 3 eggs a day?

Tice, Im counting at least 55 grams of fat...

I would lose the muffin and put some oat meal, or at least some whole grain bread. I would also reduce the number of eggs.

[tice1212]

How can you manage LDL eating over 3 eggs a day?

Tice, Im counting at least 55 grams of fat...

I would lose the muffin and put some oat meal, or at least some whole grain bread. I would also reduce the number of eggs.

While cutting should I use complex carbs instead of my white rice? Or does it matter?

[oldnsedentary]

How can you manage LDL eating over 3 eggs a day?

I do not know, or more accurately, I do not "manage" my LDL. I let my body take care of that. I eat 6-8 eggs daily, including the yolk, and my cholesterol numbers are great. Overall low (really low). Ratio is high. On my last cholesterol test, my HDL was at the high end of the human reference range, and my LDL was actually so low that it was slightly below the reference range, which made for an overall very low cholesterol number.

I do not think there is a connection between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol, though, so I reject the premise of your question as false. It appears that recent research is backing up the belief I have had for decades now. The US government is finally picking up on this research and is lifting limits on dietary cholesterol in its nutrition guidelines (not that I give a crap what they say, as they have been telling us to eat vegetable oil and high carbs for decades, duh!).

Anyway, the strongest effect I can find on LDL is 3 eggs makes for about an increase of 7 mg/DL. It also raises HDL by 3 or 4.

I cannot see such small numbers being a concern unless you are already dangerously high and awaiting a heart attack.

I also note none of these studies bother to look at the effects of exercise on serum cholesterol while consuming dietary cholesterol. Oh, well, maybe they will get around to it in the coming decades.

Anyway, independent of cholesterol, there ARE studies showing that egg consumption is not linked to or correlated with cardiovascular events such as stroke and heart attack.

[Coffeehead]

Anyway, independent of cholesterol, there ARE studies showing that egg consumption is not linked to or correlated with cardiovascular events such as stroke and heart attack.

Correct, but those studies are also independent of AAS use. That puts the consumer at high risk of having problems with their lipids, even in the presence of a healthy diet.

For the healthy, non-AAS user, egg yolks every day will not be a problem.

[Mr.BB]

I do not know, or more accurately, I do not "manage" my LDL. I let my body take care of that. I eat 6-8 eggs daily, including the yolk, and my cholesterol numbers are great. Overall low (really low). Ratio is high. On my last cholesterol test, my HDL was at the high end of the human reference range, and my LDL was actually so low that it was slightly below the reference range, which made for an overall very low cholesterol number.

I do not think there is a connection between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol, though, so I reject the premise of your question as false. It appears that recent research is backing up the belief I have had for decades now. The US government is finally picking up on this research and is lifting limits on dietary cholesterol in its nutrition guidelines (not that I give a crap what they say, as they have been telling us to eat vegetable oil and high carbs for decades, duh!).

Anyway, the strongest effect I can find on LDL is 3 eggs makes for about an increase of 7 mg/DL. It also raises HDL by 3 or 4.

I cannot see such small numbers being a concern unless you are already dangerously high and awaiting a heart attack.

I also note none of these studies bother to look at the effects of exercise on serum cholesterol while consuming dietary cholesterol. Oh, well, maybe they will get around to it in the coming decades.

Anyway, independent of cholesterol, there ARE studies showing that egg consumption is not linked to or correlated with cardiovascular events such as stroke and heart attack.

Correct, but those studies are also independent of AAS use. That puts the consumer at high risk of having problems with their lipids, even in the presence of a healthy diet.

For the healthy, non-AAS user, egg yolks every day will not be a problem.

Can you please provide the studies or research where you claim no connection between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol?

Please dont give me the Dr. Maria Fernandez studies as she has no credibility.

...

In the mean time I can show you several studies and meta-analysis that claim exactly the opposite of what you "think":

"Highlights:
-Carotid total plaque area (TPA) increases linearly with age.
-TPA increases exponentially with smoking pack-years.
-TPA increases exponentially with egg-yolk years.
-The effect size of egg yolks appears to be approximately 2/3 that of smoking.
-Probably egg yolks should be avoided by persons at risk of vascular disease."

From: Egg yolk consumption and carotid plaque

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"Summary:
Serum cholesterol concentration is clearly increased by added dietary cholesterol..."

From: Effects of dietary cholesterol on serum cholesterol: a meta-analysis and review

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"Conclusions:
Our study suggests that there is a dose–response positive association between egg consumption and the risk of CVD and diabetes."

From: Egg consumption and risk of cardiovascular diseases and diabetes: A meta-analysis

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As for the anedoctal evidence of your cholesterol being unaffected by eggs consumption, I dont know if you should be more worried as if its not in your blood it has to be somewhere.

Either you have some digestive problem and don't absorb the 213mg cholesterol each egg has (not 7), or your body is able to process this added cholesterol and fat in a way the main population can't... Or this added cholesterol is already sitting in your arteries and veins as plaque and therefore does not show in serum cholesterol bloodwork, in which case I would suggest a doppler ultrasound study of your carotid.

[tarmyg]

Mr. BB, thanks for posting stuff that makes me spend, literally, hours reading and searching Scholar like a maniac :-) While, based on what I have read, there is simply not enough data and, more importantly, non-flawed studies, to support that dietary cholesterol affects blood levels. That at the same time, of course, could also mean the opposite. I found this editorial piece particularly interesting and open minded about the current status of this question; Eggs and beyond: is dietary cholesterol no longer important?

[Mr.BB]

Mr. BB, thanks for posting stuff that makes me spend, literally, hours reading and searching Scholar like a maniac :-) While, based on what I have read, there is simply not enough data and, more importantly, non-flawed studies, to support that dietary cholesterol affects blood levels. That at the same time, of course, could also mean the opposite. I found this editorial piece particularly interesting and open minded about the current status of this question; Eggs and beyond: is dietary cholesterol no longer important?

Sorry T, but it is a fact that "dietary cholesterol affects blood levels", if your read Dr. Robert Eckel article you posted he clearly shows it, thats not the debatable argument.

The debate is whether the increased dietary cholesterol increases risk for CVD and diabetes. About diabetes there is not much doubts. About the CVD Dr. Eckel comments about a 2013 meta-analysis (Egg consumption in relation to risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes: a systematic review and meta-analysis., and I brought another meta-analisys from 2013 (Egg consumption and risk of cardiovascular diseases and diabetes: A meta-analysis.

Funny how the titles are so alike, yet the conclusions different,

One states:"Our study suggests that there is a dose–response positive association between egg consumption and the risk of CVD and diabetes";

The other: "This meta-analysis suggests that egg consumption is not associated with the risk of CVD and cardiac mortality in the general population. However, egg consumption may be associated with an increased incidence of type 2 diabetes among the general population and CVD comorbidity among diabetic patients".

One is published in the Atherosclerosis Journal, the other in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, which is a trend we can see across the planet, cardiologists are strongly against dietary cholesterol, nutritionists stance on cholesterol is more neutral.

Im not going in depth to analyse both meta-analysis, you can do it if you are interested, my point is that dietary cholesterol in which eggs are particularly rich can elevate LDL, and LDL is a risk factor to CVD. By no means i'm against eggs, I eat about 4-5 a week and luv it, but it should be a personnal informed decision what to eat and how much. Also this decision should be based on risk factors: if you have a high LDL, over 40, BP is starting to rise, etc, maybe you should go easy on the eggs.

Hehehe, I can even copy Dr. Robert Eckel on a 2008 article "More egg on our faces? It's really hard to say at this point, but it still seems, if you're a middle-aged male physician and enjoy eggs more than once a day, that having some of the egg left on your face may be better than having it go down your gullet."

Even on your Eckel's link he finishes: "Nevertheless, when ordering an omelet, why not order an egg white omelet with plenty of vegetables, lean meat, and spices rather than one with 600 mg cholesterol?"

[tarmyg]

Awesome stuff as ALWAYS Mr. BB.

[numbere]

I stumbled upon this article yesterday.

You nerds should find it interesting.

"Egg Industry Board Paid Millions in Grants Seeking to Remove Lifesaving Cholesterol Limits"

The Physicians Committee Sues USDA and DHHS, Exposing Industry Corruption in Dietary Guidelines Decision on Cholesterol

[tice1212]

Hey guys I have a question. Let's say one day out of the week I drop my carbs and fats under 25gram and keep my protein 350gram? What will the body do. Is this a bad way to drop some lbs? Or is it okay if its held to 1 day a week? So that would be a day were my calories are somewhere in the ball park of 1750. Current diet is around 2500.

[tice1212]

Current diet

Meal 1
1 small egg white carton
1 fish oil pill

Meal 2
6oz grilled chicken
1/2 brown rice
1 teaspoon of evoo (on top of rice)
1 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar (on top of rice)

Pre & during
2 scoops of iso whey

***Meal 3
6oz grilled chicken
1/2 brown rice
1 teaspoon of evoo (on top of rice)
1 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar (on top of rice)

Meal 4
6oz grilled chicken
1/2 brown rice
1 teaspoon of evoo (on top of rice)
1 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar (on top of rice)

Meal 5
6oz grilled chicken
1/2 brown rice
1 teaspoon of evoo (on top of rice)
1 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar (on top of rice)

Meal 6
1 cup of plain Greek yogurt

Calories 2095
Protein: 290
Carbs: 125
Fats: 46

Question
Is it okay to have that 1 teaspoon and of evoo and tablespoon if vinegar post workout meal or should I leave it out of meal 3? Will it effect my fat loss process.

The only reason I ask this question is because I was told never put fats in ur post out meal before the insulin spike will inject the fats to fat cells. Is there any truth to that.
Also will having the evoo and vinegar will effect the insulin spike after a workout. Is it best to keep those out of my PWO meal so I can get a higher insulin spike? Or because I'm cutting the insulin spike doesn't matter PWO?

Thank you boys for the help

[tice1212]

This is my current conditioning.
Bf% 8ish?
Stats
197lbs, 5'7' 30yr

[RaginCajun]

Damn Tice, nice work!!!

You can really see the dedication!

[tarmyg]

Some great work here Tice, keep it up!