SUS/DECA/DBOL Cycle. (Bulking Cycle)

[MnmlTekno]

Age: 22

Weight: 80kg

BF %: 13%

Cycle:
Sustanon 250: 500mg (weekly) x 14 weeks.
Deca: 400mg (weekly) x 12 weeks
D-Bol: 50/50/25/25
Arimidex: -

PCT:
Nolva/Clomid/Caber.

Week 1 Diet:
Meal 1:
- Cup of Oats
- Cup of Egg Whites
- Almond Milk
- 4 Tablespoons of Greek Yoghurt.
- 1 Scoop of Vanilla Whey
- 1 Tablespoon of Natural Peanut Butter

Meal 2:
- x2 Can of Tuna
- x2 Wholemeal Wrap
- Low fat cheese
- Half avacado
- Spinach
- Cucumber

Meal 3:

- 150grams of lean beef mince
- Serving of basmati Rice
- Green Beans
- x2 TBSP Salsa
- Low Fat Tasty Cheese

Meal 4: (Pre Workout)

- Two Pieces of wholemeal Toast
- 200 grams of sizzle steak
- Cup of egg whites
- Cup of Spinach

Meal 5: (Post Workout)
- Kangaroo/Venison/Chicken
- Green Beans
- Sweet Potato/White Potato

Meal 6:
- Cup of Oatmeal
- Wholemeal Muffin
- Natural Peanut Butter
- Greek Yoghurt

Calorie Intake: 3200 Calories.

Update:
Week 1:
I feel the pumps starting to increase, and slight strength increase from the dianabols.

[Back In Black]

Oh lord. Stop stop stop.

You realise what the deca will do to you? You realise what cycling at any age might do to you?

Young
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html


HPTA
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ffect-you.html

2nd cycle 5'11 and you weigh 176lbs?

Buddy put the drugs down and run a full PCT in a couple of weeks, that deca has shut down your natural test levels already.

learn how to eat to gain naturally. I know you posted your diet and you think that's a bulking plan but I reckon you are going to need to up the calories. Please also tell us the macro breakdown.

[MnmlTekno]

I've read all of this, I understand what I am doing to my body...

Why wait now? I've already done a cycle, half the damage is done. Yes, I understand deca supresses you, and shuts you down hard.

That's what a PCT is for? I don't get half of you guys, instead of telling me to stop which I ain't going to do... why don't you give me tips on things to look out for? or how I should adjust things differently, rather then telling me to completely stop. I've had friends younger then me run deca/tren and have recovered, or even worst people running deca for 20+ months and recovering... I personally believe a lot of people on this board go a bit overboard, and make a big deal... It's my 2nd cycle, just relax a bit.

And why would want me to tell you my macro break down after you tell me to stop.

Also are you on tren, I've read a lot of your posts and you seem a bit aggressive... or fed up.

Inb4 "Yeah I'm fed up with young assholes who don't know what they are doing"

No, we probably don't even understand half the shit were doing, you look at enhanced athlete, he experimented and learnt... yes, our body's are precious and they aren't something to mess around with but with proper precaution which should be taught rather then being told to "STOP! STOP!" I believe, it can be a big learning curve and guess what everyone's different. The sides I get, you may not get... I may shutdown you may not shut down as easy, vice versa.

Precaution, Precaution, Precaution my friend. You should approach people a bit more differently. No doubt you are a lot more expierenced then what I am, and yeah... you probably think I am just a dumb 22 year old who doesn't know what he is doing. Is there a reason to why you're so aggressive to the younger ones? Apart from the fact we are shutting our selves down? Why not just run us through to make the cycle as smooth as possible for us.

[TheNaturals]

Age: 22

Weight: 80kg

BF %: 13%

Cycle:
Sustanon 250: 500mg (weekly) x 14 weeks.
Deca: 400mg (weekly) x 12 weeks
D-Bol: 50/50/25/25
Arimidex: -

PCT:
Nolva/Clomid/Caber.

Week 1 Diet:
Meal 1:
- Cup of Oats
- Cup of Egg Whites
- Almond Milk
- 4 Tablespoons of Greek Yoghurt.
- 1 Scoop of Vanilla Whey
- 1 Tablespoon of Natural Peanut Butter

Meal 2:
- x2 Can of Tuna
- x2 Wholemeal Wrap
- Low fat cheese
- Half avacado
- Spinach
- Cucumber

Meal 3:

- 150grams of lean beef mince
- Serving of basmati Rice
- Green Beans
- x2 TBSP Salsa
- Low Fat Tasty Cheese

Meal 4: (Pre Workout)

- Two Pieces of wholemeal Toast
- 200 grams of sizzle steak
- Cup of egg whites
- Cup of Spinach

Meal 5: (Post Workout)
- Kangaroo/Venison/Chicken
- Green Beans
- Sweet Potato/White Potato

Meal 6:
- Cup of Oatmeal
- Wholemeal Muffin
- Natural Peanut Butter
- Greek Yoghurt

Calorie Intake: 3200 Calories.

Update:
Week 1:
I feel the pumps starting to increase, and slight strength increase from the dianabols.

Hi bro,

He is right, you are really too young for deca. There are components you can use instead of deca.

If still you want to use deca, you can low down your dosage to 300mg & Test dosage to 375-400mg per week.

Also you dbol dosage is too high...30mg/day is all you need, no more than that.

Also you need to run caber 0.5 mg e3d, use AI Through out ur cycle & PCT.

Use hcg for last 4 weeks to wake up the balls. You might know it already, without Pct there are no gains.

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[MnmlTekno]

Thank you for your response, I understand I am probably to young to run anything to be honest.

Would dropping my dosage down to 300mg make any difference, considering no matter how low I go with deca I'm shutting myself down hard... I've heard less is more when it comes to steroids, but correct me if I am wrong with deca it should be run at minimum 400mg to get its benefits?
Also, dropping down the dbol tommorow to 30, I agree 50 is a bit too high.

[TheNaturals]

Thank you for your response, I understand I am probably to young to run anything to be honest.

Would dropping my dosage down to 300mg make any difference, considering no matter how low I go with deca I'm shutting myself down hard... I've heard less is more when it comes to steroids, but correct me if I am wrong with deca it should be run at minimum 400mg to get its benefits?

Deca is so strong bro.. Its all bro - science stating that less is more on juice.

You can reap all the benefits of Deca with dosage of 300mg weekly, Synergy of deca & dbol is superb.

Here my point is u should be going for marathon not sprint.

Good luck wid ur gainz...

[MnmlTekno]

Thank you TheNaturals, I'll drop the deca down to 300mg as of Thursday since that'll mark the two week point.

[TheNaturals]

Thank you TheNaturals, I'll drop the deca down to 300mg as of Thursday since that'll mark the two week point.

Also user Caber 0.5 mg E3D. also drop dbol dosage... 30 mg for 4 weeks all you ever need.
You are welcome bro.

[Back In Black]

Well I'm just gonna wish you lots and lots of good luck then.

Maybe post some starting, mid and post pct photo's to show exactly how this cycle goes.

[MnmlTekno]

Thank you, I guess?

Could you tell me what I run the risk of? I know shutting down my natural test levels... what else? Is it the recovery you're wishing me good luck for? If I have to run the pct longer, and not cycling for a very long time then so be it.

I am grateful for your concerns, but could you please explain a bit more in depth rather then being so straight forward?

Few questions, you tell me I've shut myself down hard with deca already... which leads me to the damage is done? So why should I stop?

Also wouldn't I just stop the deca run the test by itself for about 4 weeks with HCG and then nolva/clomid for PCT?

What are the risks I am running with deca?

Are you saying I won't recover?

Is there much difference if I used tren? I have plenty of friends my age even younger who use tren,

If deca/tren are so suppressive why isn't there a post in regards to these compounds, I understand they are very suppressive but I believe using any compound is suppressive... is it the recovery that's longer with these compounds is that what you're referring to.

[TheNaturals]

Thank you, I guess?

Could you tell me what I run the risk of? I know shutting down my natural test levels... what else? Is it the recovery you're wishing me good luck for? If I have to run the pct longer, and not cycling for a very long time then so be it.

I am grateful for your concerns, but could you please explain a bit more in depth rather then being so straight forward?

Few questions, you tell me I've shut myself down hard with deca already... which leads me to the damage is done? So why should I stop?

Also wouldn't I just stop the deca run the test by itself for about 4 weeks with HCG and then nolva/clomid for PCT?

What are the risks I am running with deca?

Are you saying I won't recover?

Is there much difference if I used tren? I have plenty of friends my age even younger who use tren,

If deca/tren are so suppressive why isn't there a post in regards to these compounds, I understand they are very suppressive but I believe using any compound is suppressive... is it the recovery that's longer with these compounds is that what you're referring to.

Drop this attitude & thinking bro that your friends are running some shit & still are one of the healthiest people around. When theh will be fucked up, you will post the same thing here.

Ofcourse recovery process takes a long long time when you come off a 19-nor. Thats the truth. First empty yourself bro to learn this. There are so many posts regarding the same, youtoube is full of such vedeos too.

Just a little advice to you, if you are one of those who lifts with there friends/bros/cousins, have a solid meal one hour before your workout & one scoop of a pre workout supplement 15 mins before you enter the gym.

Play with mind, not emotions....

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[Back In Black]

Thank you, I guess?

Could you tell me what I run the risk of? I know shutting down my natural test levels... what else? Is it the recovery you're wishing me good luck for? If I have to run the pct longer, and not cycling for a very long time then so be it.

I am grateful for your concerns, but could you please explain a bit more in depth rather then being so straight forward?

Read the links I gave you, they explain the HTPA and how it is still likely developing and the risk of you run of it never fully developing.

Few questions, you tell me I've shut myself down hard with deca already... which leads me to the damage is done? So why should I stop?

The longer you are shut down the harder it is to recover

Also wouldn't I just stop the deca run the test by itself for about 4 weeks with HCG and then nolva/clomid for PCT?

To end the cycle early?

What are the risks I am running with deca?

Again, read the HTPA link

Are you saying I won't recover?

Not saying that but it's likely every time you cycle your natty test levels will come back a little less than they were. You may get lucky and they may come back almost fully and you may get unlucky and spend months or years trying to get back to where you were. Without bloodwork it's all a guess.

Is there much difference if I used tren? I have plenty of friends my age even younger who use tren,

Tren is just as bad, it's a 19nor like deca. One shot of either and you are shut down.

If deca/tren are so suppressive why isn't there a post in regards to these compounds, there are plenty of threads where we state deca and tren will shut you down with one shot. If you started a thread before you started your cycle rather than jump in based on whatever research you may have done or what advice your friends/ dealer gave you, you would know before you pinned it.I understand they are very suppressive but I believe using any compound is suppressive... is it the recovery that's longer with these compounds is that what you're referring to.

Test is suppressive, it will shut you down over time. Again 19nors will shut you down almost immediately.

Can you imagine if you think you need this much gear at 176lbs how much do you think you will need if you ever get above 200lbs?

You're an adult you can do what you like. You can either take the advise of people who have been there and know the issues, 20+ years later after running cycles or you can go with what you think or what your friends tell you. Think they would be honest and tell you they feel like shit for months on end? That they suffer from Erectile Dysfunction. That they are growing a fine pair of breasts? Think they will be that honest?

Never, ever, ever underestimate the anabolic power of food.

[MnmlTekno]

Test is suppressive, it will shut you down over time. Again 19nors will shut you down almost immediately.

Can you imagine if you think you need this much gear at 176lbs how much do you think you will need if you ever get above 200lbs?

You're an adult you can do what you like. You can either take the advise of people who have been there and know the issues, 20+ years later after running cycles or you can go with what you think or what your friends tell you. Think they would be honest and tell you they feel like shit for months on end? That they suffer from Erectile Dysfunction. That they are growing a fine pair of breasts? Think they will be that honest?

Never, ever, ever underestimate the anabolic power of food.

Thank you for your time, and those answers. These questions needed to be covered, I had done my research pre cycle, and couldn't find the answers... so I thought I was in the clear.

My plan was to bulk with this cycle, put on 15-20lbs and hold off until my blood works show I'm in the all clear and have recovered.

The main reason why I chose deca was because of its joint relief, I suffer from very sore joints especially in my knees and my wrists. I'm assuming this was from my days of playing football as a kid, and read up on its bulking benefits.

I re-adjusted the dosages because I'm pretty sure the gear I'm getting isn't really 250mg of sus per cc, that being said with any UGL.

I'm going to ride this cycle out, do it right and keep you all posted.

[Back In Black]

You'll only know if you have recovered if you got pre cycle bloods and can compare post cycle bloods.

If your joint pain is that bad at your age you should get it checked it not try and mask it. Besides 400mg pw is hardly a therapeutic dose.

Good luck, I'll keep popping in and post some photos please.

[kelkel]

How much adex are you running? You list it but don't say.
HCG should be used throughout your cycle, not just at the end.
Caber should be used during your cycle as well. If you're making any effort to control your estrogen then .25 x 2 per week will be fine. Save the rest for later.

[MnmlTekno]

How much adex are you running? You list it but don't say.
HCG should be used throughout your cycle, not just at the end.
Caber should be used during your cycle as well. If you're making any effort to control your estrogen then .25 x 2 per week will be fine. Save the rest for later.

Currently running 0.25 EOD, I rather keep the water for my joints cause I hear running adex high will cause stiffness in the joints.
No signs of gyno.

Currently weighing in at 84.7kg.

I'm assuming deca is still kicking in as I am only halfway through week 4 and no signs of decreased libido.

I definitely have increased libido, assuming that's from the sus.

Have stopped taking DBOLS and will let the injectables do it things.

EDIT:
Uh, can someone get me more food? I'm always fucking hungry.

[redz]

So your deca hasn't kicked in yet because your sex drive is still good? Who educates these users? Deca should not affect sex drive as long as testosterone, estrogen and prolactin are in check.

[MnmlTekno]

So your deca hasn't kicked in yet because your sex drive is still good? Who educates these users? Deca should not affect sex drive as long as testosterone, estrogen and prolactin are in check.

I really didn't t mean it in that sense... is every member on this forum emotional?

It's only been 4 weeks as stated. I'm led to believe you don't really feel the full effects of deca at 6. Varying from person to person...

[redz]

Emotional? Not over this I'm just telling it like it is. You said it not me.

[Mr.BB]

Maybe I'm late for this thread.... Anyhow, regarding the discussion above it would be wiser, and would probably yield same results to do test +oral.

As you already started to notice, deca will only really kick in gains-wise at around 8 weeks. Even sust is not a good option due to the long esters it has, so your growth so far as due to dbol, probably all water, which you will lose now that you stopped it. You will be feeling awful to not gain weight or even lose some during the next 2-3 weeks.

My opinion you should switch to single ester testosterone, enanthate or cyp, stop the deca (to avoid it lingering in your system for the next couple of months), and do some anavar or winstrol the last 4 weeks. It would bring better results and a much easier recovery.

Another thing you need to address is your training, although you havent talked about it, and I dont really know how primed you were for the cycle, young guys tend to overtrain rendering the bulk useless as your body cant (or dont know how to) process the amount of food required.

I bet you are training almost everyday, for about 1h30 or 2 hours, right?

Well you are doing it wrong, specially for a bulk.

[NACH3]

I really didn't t mean it in that sense... is every member on this forum emotional?

It's only been 4 weeks as stated. I'm led to believe you don't really feel the full effects of deca at 6. Varying from person to person...

Running Sust is just as long of an estervas your deca(decanate) Ester... so unless you had Sust in your system they'll both kick in around the sametime... very long esters

[MnmlTekno]

Maybe I'm late for this thread.... Anyhow, regarding the discussion above it would be wiser, and would probably yield same results to do test +oral.

As you already started to notice, deca will only really kick in gains-wise at around 8 weeks. Even sust is not a good option due to the long esters it has, so your growth so far as due to dbol, probably all water, which you will lose now that you stopped it. You will be feeling awful to not gain weight or even lose some during the next 2-3 weeks.

My opinion you should switch to single ester testosterone, enanthate or cyp, stop the deca (to avoid it lingering in your system for the next couple of months), and do some anavar or winstrol the last 4 weeks. It would bring better results and a much easier recovery.

Another thing you need to address is your training, although you havent talked about it, and I dont really know how primed you were for the cycle, young guys tend to overtrain rendering the bulk useless as your body cant (or dont know how to) process the amount of food required.

I bet you are training almost everyday, for about 1h30 or 2 hours, right?

Well you are doing it wrong, specially for a bulk.

I've upped my calories to 4500, the reason why my cals are so high are due to how physically demanding my job is (concreting) I burn easily 2000 at work.

As for rest days, I rest one day a week.
Weekly routine is:

Monday: Back - 45 minutes
Tuesday: Chest - 45 minutes
Wednesday: Rest
Thursday: Hamstrings/Quads - 60-90 minutes
Friday: Shoulders - 45 minutes.
Saturday: Biceps/Triceps - 60 minutes.
Sunday: Calves/Abs - 45 minutes.

I have dbols left over, should I still keep using?

[MnmlTekno]

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